How Black Panther: Wakanda Forever could change the MCU forever—and why those shifts might start soon
From Namor to the new Black Panther, expect more of Wakanda's heroes to begin turning up across the Marvel Cinematic Universe
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Warning: This story contains multiple spoilers for Black Panther: Wakanda Forever.
As audiences leave the fantastical hidden kingdom of Wakanda at the end of Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, fans of the Marvel Cinematic Universe may find themselves wondering if the high-tech African nation will play a greater role in the comic book universe at large. Will the world of the Black Panther, now that we know the fate of that mantle, spread further into the greater MCU, or will it remain a more isolationist corner? (Suffice it to say, spoilers ahead.)
Ever since Wakanda was introduced into the MCU, it’s been very clear that creatively it occupies territory that’s hallowed and shielded both geographically and canonically: yes, T’Challa was welcomed into the uber-franchise with a strategic introduction in Captain America: Civil War, and yes, Wakanda provided a potent battleground for Thanos’ invasion in Avengers: Infinity War. But unlike other, frequently crossing-over corners of the MCU, the world of Wakanda has remained largely sacrosanct, kept under the thoughtful, innovative stewardship of writer-director Ryan Coogler.
On a storytelling level, Wakanda seemed poised to integrate more fully into the MCU at the end of the first Black Panther film, and out of the gate T’Challa, Nakia, Okoye and M’Baku emerged as key players in the fight against Thanos. But post-Endgame, greater interaction with other heroes and villains seemed to be put on pause: first, due to the tragic reality of the passing of Chadwick Boseman, which put the creative fate of Wakanda into turmoil; and second, because Black Panther was a global phenomenon that reached people on a deep and profound level, it made sense to proceed with caution and care to ensure the integrity of Wakanda’s next evolution.
Wakanda’s place in the broader MCU was only briefly teased, with an intriguing but relatively limited appearance by Dora Milaje general Ayo (Florence Kasumba) resolving some dangling plot points in the Disney+ series The Falcon And The Winter Soldier.
New Wakanda projects in play
But now that Coogler has had the chance to address the loss of both Boseman and T’Challa—and allow the characters and the audience to process their grief—the world of Wakanda is wide open again. There are a lot of opportunities on the newly reset table, and several key characters with the potential for bright futures in the bigger-picture MCU and indeed Black Panther producer Nate Moore has strongly hinted that Wakanda-spun projects are on the table. But we can also expect both Coogler and Marvel to take a less-is-more approach to Wakanda proper, and save its emotional depth (not to mention superheroic spectacle) for future Black Panther films.
Moving forward, certainly Letitia Wright’s Shuri, now that she’s accepted the mantle of her country’s protector, is poised to be strategically deployed within the broader MCU; expect her to appear, perhaps in small doses, perhaps not in full costume, in shrewdly planned moments to help other Avengers in moments of high-tech need—perhaps during Secret Invasion and/or Armor Wars, most certainly alongside Riri Williams at some point in the upcoming Ironheart series. But bet on seeing Shuri as the full-blown Black Panther again when it really matters, most likely during the culmination of the Multiverse Saga with Avengers: Kang Dynasty and Avengers: Secret War. After all, she has affairs of state to attend, and, it now seems, a future successor to help train.
The place within the MCU of Riri Williams—and Dominique Thorne, who winningly plays her—is, of course, assured as she headlines her own Disney+ Ironheart series, which presumably will provide more definition and flavor to her backstory even as it pushes her forward. Ironheart is a character full of crossover potential: with her Wakanda ties now firmly established, it remains to be seen how integrated she might become in the armor-clad world of Stark Industries, especially with the passing of Tony Stark. The Armor Wars film certainly seems like a place she could be expected to show up, where Williams could possibly build an intriguing dynamic with Don Cheadle’s War Machine.
Marvel also hasn’t tipped its hand as to what, exactly it has planned for the growing crop of youthful, second-generation heroes that have recently emerged or are on the way—Ms. Marvel, Hawkeye II, America Chavez, Stature, Thor’s foster daughter Love, and possibly even the Scarlet Witch and Vision’s twins—but if there are Young Avengers or Champions plans percolating, Riri would fit right in.
What about Everett Ross?
It was pretty strongly underlined that Martin Freeman’s agent Everett Ross will likely play a role in the unfolding storyline involving his ex-wife, CIA head Contessa Valentina Allegra de Fontaine (Julia Louis-Dreyfus), and the presumptive band of Thunderbolts she’s been assembling (Black Widow Yelena Belova, the U.S. Agent, Taskmaster, Ghost, and Red Guardian). As he wrestles with Val’s agenda, it’ll be fun to see Everett moving closer to the down-on-his-heels persona established in his comics appearances. Given that there’s been explicit comic book connection between Everett and Val, let’s maybe start getting excited about the possibilities inherent in that he shares a surname with Thaddeus “Thunderbolt” Ross, now played by Harrison Ford.
Among the Wakandan natives, now that Okoye has assumed the Midnight Angel armor—coupled with the fact that she’s already essentially served as an Avenger during The Blip—it would seem she has the greatest potential to expand her presence beyond her nation’s borders. Danai Gurira is such a formidable and appealing screen presence she’d be welcome in just about any corner of the MCU, and rumors of a Midnight Angels-centric Disney+ series promise the most intriguing possibilities to return to Wakanda itself outside of a third Black Panther film—especially with Kasumba’s Ayo and Michaela Cole’s Aneka in tow. M’Baku, played with such charismatic relish by Winston Duke, would be a natural fit here as well, and is also a Wakanda that would fare well if used throughout the MCU.
Less likely, though, would be any screen return—beyond a strategic cameo—for Lupita Nyong’o’s Nakia until a third BP feature. Now revealed as the mother of T’Challa’s secret son, Nakia has a valuable role to play in helping move that key piece of story forward, and spreading her throughout the MCU would likely dilute her role in the future of the sub-franchise.
The son may also rise
As for Nakia’s son Toussaint/T’Challa II, expect big things from that character down the line. It seems almost inevitable that one day—perhaps sooner than anyone expects—he’ll pick up the mantle of Black Panther from his Aunt Shuri.
Finally, there’s Tenoch Huerta’s Namor, the noble, sometimes misguided antihero whose role has the greatest promise in the big, broad MCU. Just like his comic book counterpart, whose been both hero and villain, depending on the moment, Namor’s zeal to protect his own kingdom and his inherent arrogance makes a perfect brew for him to come into heated conflict with just about anyone in the expanding universe. His role as undersea sovereign comes with the promise of big confrontations with the existing nations that already populate the MCU—including Wakanda, New Asgard, Sokovia, and Madripoor—and others that may yet emerge, like Latveria, Attilan, and Genosha.
Namor’s got mutant bona fides if and when the X-Men formally join the MCU, and he’s got history with the Hulk and Doctor Strange as the anti-super-team the Defenders. Additionally, the comic book version’s ever-burning desire for Invisible Woman Susan Storm poses all kinds of possibilities when the Fantastic Four finally show up. And certainly if Chris Evans ever feels like strapping into his retro-40s Captain America gear again for a wartime flashback film, as the Sub-Mariner Namor fought the Nazis at Cap’s side as a member of the Invaders!
One way or another, even if we don’t get a good glimpse at his rivals in Wakanda for a while, the MCU is far from finished with Namor.
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Ross is a standup guy and all that, but I do wonder what the attraction was for Val. A mid-level CIA guy doesn’t seem to be in her weight class.
To be fair we don’t know what level either was when they first met.
I love Julia Louie-Dreyfus, but the Val character has not worked for me in any of the Marvel movies/shows she has appeared in. It originally seemed like kind of funny stunt casting, given her role in Veep. But they’re not giving her the kind of outrageous, biting lines that would make the character work that way (which would be hard to pull off in a Marvel movie anyway) and Val also isn’t presented in a way that would be truly intimidating. Louie-Dreyfus seems a bit lost.
also the big payoff being a sequel to two of the most underwhelming mcu properties (black widow and falcon & winter solder) doesn’t really do much for me, as much as i enjoy pugh.
I think that’s the point. Val’s mask slipped a bit more than it has in the past this time. She’s always portrayed as fairly aloof, the way you’d expect a Veep/Seinfeld alum to be, but this time she revealed that she’d been obfuscating her stupidity the entire time. I think she’s a lot more cunning than we’ve seen, and we just now got a hint of that.
I love both of those actors, but all of their scenes felt tagged on and unnecessary. Almost like “oh yeah, this guy was in the first one and this chick has to be in all of them now… uh… they uh… discuss a thing in this scene”
I mean, they’re basically there to show how the US is processing an apparent Wakandan attack on a US site.A lot of people saying Val didn’t “work” but I thought her whole “play dumb and act like a regretful ex wife to lure my sad sack ex husband into a false sense of security” before dropping the bomb that she knew all along was pretty good.
It felt like they had plans for Ross and Val and then COVID fucked it all up and they had to rewrite/cut those scenes to get them in without being able to bring them in fully.
I wrote it off as Val just using Ross as one more step on her trip up the ladder.
It’s gross that an anti-science nut, and anti-LGBT bigot Letitia Wright is being given the Black Panther mantle after repeatedly pushing anti-vax bullshit on set, violating guidelines and endangering her co-stars and crew’s lives while millions were dying of a pandemic. https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/12/04/letitia-wright-anti-vax-covid-conspiracy-video-transphobia-tobi-arayomi-black-panther/
Does Shuri renege on her antivaxxer ways and become an advocate of science?
I saw the movie, the other day, and didn’t like it and I’m not really excited about Namor and Shuri appearing in other movies. Even beyond my distaste for the actress’ politics, I didn’t like the character in the first film and the new movie didn’t make me like her any more.After a strong introduction, Namor didn’t add up to much. Instead of the arrogant badass of the comics, he was set up as an earnest, if slightly more murderous, counterpart to the Black Panther but, just like Shuri, without any of T’Challa’s charm. Honestly, I was hoping the movie would have Winston Duke become Black Panther. M’Baku is a great character with a ton of potential and Duke has charisma to spare.
Yeah, the idea of more Poochie Shuri is really not making me excited for the future of the MCU.Honestly, I was hoping the movie would have Winston Duke become Black Panther. M’Baku is a great character with a ton of potential and Duke has charisma to spare.Agreed. As amusing as hearing people froth out “hE doEsN’t woRsHIp bAsT” – which can easily be hand-waved away – has been, he’d have been a fantastic (and much better) choice than Shuri. I love the idea of a character so different from T’Challa in that role, and as you said M’Baku the character and Winston Duke the actor are both fantastic.Going in, my order of preference (before it became clear that they were going to give it to Shuri purely because that’s what happened in the comics, even though that Shuri and MCU Shuri are vastly different) was something like:
1. Alt-universe N’Jadaka that was a good guy in his universe
2. Nakia
3. M’Baku
4. Okoye
5. Ramonda (Come on, Angela Bassett as Black Panther?! The action scenes are all CGI anyway, why not?)
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335. Getting hit by a bus
336. Getting hit by a second, larger bus
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3294029095942. Shuri
Shuri becoming Black panther is like Q becoming 007. Doesn’t make any fucking sense. It makes even less sense when you had Nakia barely shoehorned in to the film with almost nothing to do. Why not give the role to the Oscar-winning actress instead of the spazzy vax-denier?
I quite like Shuri, and despite some of Wright’s missteps, I find her an incredibly endearing actress. They already were setting up at the end that her reign as Black Panther was temporary, but it felt narratively the most sense (and we don’t know the bond they had in real life)I thought the movie struggled in the last battle a lot though, everything was weirdly slowed down. but otherwise thought it was the freshest feeling movie in awhile for the MCU.
I found myself losing all my misgivings about her as the movie went on honestly. she’s definitely said some dumb shit and I hope she chooses to educate herself instead of doubling down on it, but purely in terms of the art her performance in the movie was pretty incredible. I also wasn’t expecting how dark they would push her character arc and how long it would take for her to embrace the mantle – both contributed to the genuine feeling that this movie was new territory for Marvel
I had the same reaction. It wasn’t difficult for me to separate art from the artist. I thought Wright did a great job emotionally centering the movie, processing her grief for brother and mother in well-differentiated ways, and I was just buying the journey towards her becoming Black Panther. I think a lot of people went into this movie wanting to dismiss her because of some stuff she tweeted. But this movie put a lot on her plate and she delivered a good performance.
Yes, she sold the emotional part and the arc so well, real gut punch sometimes. and thank god she actually delivers her humorous lines in not the same cadence as every other person in the franchise (Danai as well).I think she shared some weird shit, but I think she deserves some grace and doesn’t need the outright cancellation like people demanded.
I think someone from the Marvel camp sat her down and told her she needs to be less “publicly opinionated” to put it diplomatically, or she’d risk losing one of the biggest opportunities to be a major figure in the MCU, with all the notoriety that entails.
We don’t know AND we don’t care about their bond in real life, it’s utterly irrelevant
it may have played a role in the writers room is all I’m saying. calm down, jeeze.
Who’s “we?”
Are you multiple people? Whose ‘we’? You certainly don’t speak for me let alone anyone but yourself.
I agree with this assessment the most. I think a lot of peoples’ choices for successor of the mantle were wishful fan-casting, honestly…like the character or actor or hate her, she was the clear narrative choice. Anything else would have involved jumping through A LOT of hoops.It seems like someone sat Wright down at some point and said “Hey…you need to put a cork in it – you’re gonna lose this if you keep going the way you’re going” and after watching the movie, it’s clear what was on the line for her. I enjoyed the movie, though I agree that the final battle was probably the least exciting part of it.
Seriously?Letitia Wright’s Twitter profile aside, Shuri was one of the most popular characters in the original movie, and the obvious comics accurate pick for who would be the new Black Panther with T’Challa gone. Winton Duke is so freaking out-of-pocket a choice it becomes difficult for me to come up with a charitable reason for anyone to go there. Shuri is T’Challa’s sister. She’s the royal heir, she’s the person most directly affected by his death, she’s his closest blood relative. Of course this would be her story.I really wish I could have seen the post credit scene in a world where I’d never seen that Recast T’Challa hashtag, so I wasn’t pulled out of this perfectly natural way to still give the writers the opportunity to do traditional Black Panther story arcs, without the baggage of sticking a new actor in Chadwick Boseman’s exact place, with thought that maybe this will appease certain people on the internet.
Hey, dumbass. The characters aren’t the ones in the comics.
I liked Namor ok enough, at least better than Shuri. They basically killed Ramonda to give Shuri a Captain Ahab arc, literally chasing an antagonist across the seas.Also, maybe I’ve been watching too much Game of Thrones, but when Tchalla II showed up all I could think was “This kid definitely has a better claim to the throne than Shuri. She better watch out.”
Here’s a shift for you: layoffs and a hiring freeze at Disney. LOLhttps://variety.com/2022/film/news/disney-layoffs-hiring-freeze-bob-chapek-1235430840/ 3 underperforming woke blockbusters in one year will do that to a company. 🤷🏻♂️
Since M’Baku challenges for the throne at the end but of the movie, and informs all present that The Black Panther won’t be joining them, is he now ruler of Walanda for the time being? If so that would limit to a degree how much of a “natural fit,” as you mention in the article, he would actually be.They left the status of his challenge unanswered in the movie, but if he does take up the mantle of King of Wakanda for the time being, it definitely limits how much of a key role he would be able to play in any upcoming projects not directly involving Wakanda itself, or their tentative new ally in Namor and Talokan.
What I want to know is if Ramonda had to beat M’Baku in a fight, or did he simply not challenge her out of respect?
Is there any in- or outside-universe explanation for the absence of Daniel Kaluuya’s W’Kabi?
He’s in prison still for siding with Killmonger in the first one.
BORING
I’m pretty sure there was even a line from Ramonda that while her own husband is dead, Okoya could still visit hers in prison.
Considering where they left him at the end of the last movie, I don’t think it needs any explaining?
I remember hearing he was filming something else.I haven’t got an out of universe explanation.
95% sure he was filming Nope when Black Panther 2 was filming. he made the right choice, I mean, Nope is the best film I’ve seen all year
Everything Everywhere All at Once is by far the best movie I’ve seen all year (three times now of which two were on the big screen about 5 months apart).That’s because unlike Doctor Strange 2, it wasn’t from the Poop dimension.
There’s a line in the movie where Ramonda accuses Okoye of being able to visit her husband any time she wants, but doesn’t, while Ramonda cannot see her husband or son ever again.
Right, thanks. I heard the line but didn’t put it together.
I heard he wanted to get out of his contract.
Don’t think Shuri has any affairs of state to worry about beyond Panther stuff, it was made pretty explicit at the end that we’re gonna be seeing King M’Baku for a bit, which makes sense because I bet he’s said yes to the TV show, where there’s no way they won’t be doing the Aneka and Ayo rebellion Midnight Angel storyline.
I think a lot of people missed the fact that it seems Shuri is not interested in being queen, and Mbaku is the leader. The movie could have made it a bit clearer. I’ve seen people remarking that the challenge ceremony was just a joke at the end, and while it was a lighthearted moment, the ceremony is no joke. It was played deadly serious twice in the first movie, and the results of Killmonger winning almost tore the country apart. They’re not going to suddenly ignore it.
Yeah I didn’t really get that M’baku is the de facto king of Wakanda. He says he is “challenging for the throne”, which I guess means if no one accepts the challenge, he’s king by default? And it’s implied that Shuri gives her blessing for this? But yeah it could have been spelled out a bit better.
I’ve seen people remarking that the challenge ceremony was just a joke
at the end, and while it was a lighthearted moment, the ceremony is no
joke.It wasn’t a joke. It was the reveal that Shuri had already relinquished the throne to M’Baku to persue her own goals as Panther.I get the distinct impression a lot of this film was already planned before Boseman passed, and things had to be rewritten for Shuri.Even the “secret son.” It appears T’Challa was born during the blip. So it’d make sense for Nakia to hide him from the throne to protect him from the traditions that’d immediately put his life at risk from challengers.T’Challa learning about his son and leaving the throne to be with him and Nakia while maintaining the role of Black Panther would be fitting. It’d finish off an arc from the first film that the Throne and Panther should never be the same guy.
After seeing T’Challa Junior at the end of the film, I’d place a large wager that Secret Wars is gonna end (or at least the phase that starts after) with a time jump in the MCU where he assumes the role of Black Panther and they start telling the stories they wanted to tell before Boseman passed. Shuri’s Panther will be used sparingly until then, just minor supporting roles. It’ll basically be a reboot in a sense.
Frankly I think the baby was just a plot device, a riff on legacy and renewal, “birth follows death” and all that jazz. I think it would be a bit strange to have another Black Panther with exactly the same name as Bosewick.
Seems like just recasting T’Challa would have been fine now that his until now unseen twin brother with the same name son is clearly taking over at some point.
My biggest problem with a time jump to get T’Challa II into the Black Panther suit would be that you’d be basically artifically aging or just minimizing Lupita Nyongo’o’s role in the MCU and I WILL NOT STAND FOR THAT.
As great as Lupita Nyongo is, I think that’s gonna happen regardless.
also based on her barely being in this movie i have to imagine she’s not super invested in it. people talk about riri williams’ character getting the short end of the stick but i feel like she had twice as many scenes as lupita.
Yep. That’s what I’m getting at. She sorta hand her role reduced a bit her anyway. She had already moves away from Wakanda, brought back just for this specific ordeal, and went right back to Haiti when it was over. Looks to me like the MCU doesn’t really see much for her character going forward.
yah idk…. I’m already bothered by Cassie being aged up for Quantumania.
Black Panther was not a global phenomenon but a purely American one. It made average MCU phase 3 dollars as it was an average MCU movie. It’s probably the most overrated movie ever and everyone understands why. The movie in itself is a very regular MCU outing. It’s for other reasons it has some importance in the USA. Since I am not American it seems very weird from outside, but the strangest thing is the incapacity of Americans to understand that the rest of the world is not like them.
“and everyone understands why”Nice racist dogwhistle bro
What is racist here ? Everybody understand why this movie was a phenomenon in the USA, because of its very weird racial history and relations. *I AM NOT AMERICAN* so try to understand that you very strange politics and relation to skin color do not apply to me and most people on this planet. I don’t give a shit about skin color and “representation”. My ancestors are from all sides of the mediterranean, the majority from the southern/eastern side, and I don’t care about your strange little obsessions.
Sorry for being obsessed about the enslavement and displacement of a people that still effects the country to this day.
You’re soooooo brave.
I am not. This is an internet message board well past its prime. This means nothing.
That’s certainly true.
“very strange politics and relation to skin color do not apply to me and most people on this planet.”Uh, which planet are you talking about?
Are you actually saying racism isn’t an issue outside of the US?
No, I am saying that the very particular relations of Americans to “race” and skin color and the history of slavery are indeed just American. Every country is different.
I mean that’s just patently untrue, but ok dude. I forget, which country is it where the football spectators throw bananas on the pitch and chant monkey noises when black players take the field? Is that America?Which countries participated in the Atlantic slave trade again? Just America?
The incredible arrogance of Americans to lecture everybody about things they know nothing. The obsession of Americans for skin color is a purely American phenomenon. Of course racism exists all over the world (and in case you don’t know, not only whatever you call “white” people are racists, you have racists in all cultures and nations). Still, the very particular view of Americans on the subject is just, wait for it, American.
My guy, you are doing nothing BUT lecturing everyone about how racism is handled by, apparently, the ENTIRE WORLD outside of the US, as if you’re some kind of racism expert, despite being completely and utterly clueless about racism in general (according to the info you’ve shared thus far). And if I “know nothing” as you state, please enlighten me as to WHY making monkey noises and throwing bananas at black players isn’t racist, and why the participation of Portugal, Great Britain, Spain, France, the Netherlands and Denmark in the Atlantic slave trade is somehow not relevant in a discussion of racism.Your comments here don’t make you seem like some kind of worldly, enlightened guy you seem to think you are. You just come off as sheltered and ignorant.
“My guy…” Anything you think or say can pretty easily be dismissed.
Dude, why are you stalking my posts, you fucking weirdo?
“stalking”
You are so shallow and superficial in your views that I don’t even know where to start from. There are racists everywhere in every country and stupid fascist football fans are a common phenomena. What is this supposed to prove exactly ?Slavery has existed since the beginning of time and *all people* suffered from it. You know why Slavs are called by the name ? Guess. Anyway this is something different from racism. People could enslave other people from the same “race” or nation. Slavery was practiced largely in Africa itself among all tribes. Of course the slave trade between Africa and the Arab world was bigger than the Atlantic trade and lasted much much more time. Do you think Arabs are horrible racists that need to atone for their crimes ? Or only Europeans for some reasons ? Maybe you are the racist.
If “fascist football fans are a common phenomena” maybe that means that racism is still an issue outside of America? The whole “I don’t see color” attitude is naive at best and willfully ignorant at worst. So is the whole “white people were slaves first/black people owned slaves too”. These are extremely common arguments touted by white supremacists and racists in America, they are not as innovative or unique to outside the U.S. as you may think. You are simply spouting racist talking points that Americans are very familiar with.
lol
No it’s not. You’re an idiot. And 16 (at most).
You’re really SoOooOO brave for stalking my posts across all the kinja. Congrats, you’re totally not obsessed with me. Not only am I not 16, but I definitely make more money than you. Stay mad buddy.
again, fuck off
No one anywhere cares what you think.
lol shut up now. Nobody is agreeing with you here.
Jesus christ you’re insufferable.
If I’m so insufferable, why are you searching out my posts to comment on all of them?
I’m not. You literally comment nonstop on this website. Seeing the shit you write is not “stalking”.
And yet here you are, hanging on every word I say. And like, not even commenting on the content of my comment, just saying like, “you suck!”All because I mocked you for saying “Sooooo brave”. Even after I apologized for making assumptions about you, and said “hey sorry, I just think anyone who says ‘soooo brave’ seems like an asshole”. But like, you’re just proving that you are actually an asshole, so hey, maybe my assumption wasn’t too far off. While we’re stalking here, it’s pretty tellin that like half your comments are just commenting “soooo brave” on whatever articles you deem too “woke”.So just like, get off my dick and fuck off, thanks? Appreciate it.
Cool. You don’t matter. No one is hanging on your every word. You’re just an annoying dumbass.
These people are idiots. Their entire existence is devoted to race shaming people because it’s the only moral high ground available to them. Just ignore. Nothing good comes out of engaging with them.
You don’t give a shit about representation? That does… sound racist tho…? You realize other people than Americans can be racist right?
You’re an extremely unintelligent person.
pffft fuck off lol
Black Panther made $681M internationally, and is the 14th highest grossing film ever. What amount would make it a global phenomenon?Finally, we know we’re not like the rest of the world. We’re better. You’re welcome for all we’ve done for your country.https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt1825683/
681 millions internationally is not the 14th highest grossing ever – it is with the USA. But outside the USA it is 44th and of course this is with inflation. For an MCU phase 3 movie it was nothing exceptional.
Wow you are insulated . Black Panther was a global phenomenon. Here in South Africa it was an event. I’m white and a massive mcu fan. For me its another cool movie. For my black friends it was so much more. I saw joy and genuine excitement everywhere online even from black friends who generally shied away from their cultural heritage (probably to seem more “normal”). A lot of people even went in cosplay. Please expand you view of the world. For now I’ll say you are ignorant but you are very much wading into racist territory
Soooooo Brave
Dude, take your bullshit ‘AMERICA BAD!!!1!’ nonsense the fuck back to Reddit where it belongs. I’m sure you’ll get much more of a response from those fucking 12-year-old dipshits..
it’s an american website doing a story on an american movie…
… I want to know if King M’Baku will keep the Council of Thirsty Murderers, or if he’ll replace them with people who don’t escalate things super quickly.
While it will never be able to escape the weight of losing its main actor and choosing to soldier on anyways, I thought it told a really interesting story and filled out an already vibrant world and group of characters in one of the stronger recent MCU movies
Her vaccine comments were years ago and not repeated. And it’s not like black people have ANY REASON to question US Government vaccination.
It was in the last calendar year… and also she is a homophobe bigot.
i think the thing is that she had such a muted social media/PR presence beforehand and was such a new actor in the spotlight that her being anti-vax is, like, the first and only thing most people learned about her.
I’m sorry, I still can’t get over Letitia Wright’s nonsense. I wondered if I would, once the movie was out, and I still feel nothing but a slightly unreasonable but also reasonable amount of distaste for her.I just learned she is in a new movie with Josh O’Connor, and it’s a shame, because I love him and the movie’s premise sounds engaging and I guess I won’t be seeing it either. Unless she does, as someone else put it, educate herself.I’m not entirely sure why I’m hanging on to this anger about it. I’m sure it’s a stand in, since she’s just an actor, not one of my (vaccinated) sisters.
I was impressed Coogler was able to pull it off to the extent he did given the circumstances. There’s no getting around the issue that the cast is entirely made up of characters who were originally designed as supporting characters. But then I was thinking about what most superhero sequels along these lines would look like. If Henry Cavill had died in 2013, and then Zach Snyder had tried to make a sequel to Man of Steel about Lois, Ma Kent and Perry White being sad that Superman died offscreen, it would have been unwatchable. We even got a taste of this in the Snyder Cut of Justice League, and that’s a movie that has fucking Batman and Wonder Woman and Aquaman picking up the slack. Most superhero movies have an extremely shallow bench.Coogler populated that first movie with a number of memorable characters, and really did more work than he needed to, given that the movie would have been perfectly successful coasting on the charm of Chadwick Boseman and Michael B. Jordan. It’s really an accomplishment that this movie was as fun and engaging as it was. Plus it had an underwater society of fish people. Just a good time all around.
I can’t imagine anyone is very excited for more Shuri Black Panther. There’s a reason everyone comes out of this movie talking about Namor and not the title character. They would have been better off just recasting T’Challa or doing some multiverse thing with his character.
I was surprised at how much this movie has gotten me excited once again for the MCU. Like many, my interest was really starting to wane, but I really enjoyed this movie and it definitely had a therapeutic effect dealing with Boseman and T’Challa’s death.
I haven’t seen it yet, and I didn’t read the article because I haven’t seen it yet. I’m just here to register a complaint: I am sooooo tired of being told that every Marvel movie “will change the MCU forever.”
What was the point of Iron Heart? The character/actress was fine but that entire plot line felt added on to sell toys (same with Okoye’s new armor). The story is already bloated at a 2:40 run time. Cut out Iron Heart, it’s Wakanda that’s mining for Vibranium across the globe and that leads to the conflict with Namor.
I hated Okoye’s new armor/storyline. Felt like the whole falling out with Ramonda was just a really artificial way to get her into a new outfit. I didn’t mind Iron Heart, and thy incorporated Riri Williams into the plot way better than I thought they would. But why does EVERYONE need to have a supersuit now? And now there are two Blue Beetles in the MCU?
It’s mainly to introduce the Midnight Angels, a subset of the Dora Milaje that’s straight out of the comics. Their comics armor is pretty similar to what ends up on film, as well.
I appreciate the fact that Okoye’s armor did the nano-mask fade thing with slightly different graphics than they’ve been typically doing. Appreciated.
First, why would Wakanda mine vibranium when they thought they were sitting on the only source of it.Second, the whole point of having the US piss off Talukan is you’ve got two countries both dealing with the same problem in different ways.
RiRi was the Maguffin. She was the [thing] that could or could not do [the thing]. This time they just gave the infinity stone lines and let her be part of the action – I don’t think she ate up enough time to not work as a character though, and if you’re going to make the Macguffin a person you might as well give them something to do otherwise they’re just objects.
Both Iron Heart and Okoye’s new armor are there to set up future Disney+ projects. That’s the primary objective and they wrote the plot around it to fit.
Based on the massive glut of Shang-Chi, Eternals, Doctor Strange, and Thor toys I’ve seen at discount stores, I’m not sure the MCU is a big toy-seller anymore.
They needed Iron Heart so they could have a superhero fighter early on in the street/bridge fight. Considering they weren’t giving us to BP it actually made a lot of sense to go that route.
Is it confirmed that Lake Bell’s scientist actually died? Because that’s a horrible waste of having Lake Bell in the MCU.
I mean, she was on a helicopter that exploded, and other characters report her as one of the dead, but I agree it’s a waste of the best Poison Ivy.
Now that I know having Lake Bell in the MCU was a possibility, I feel like maybe she shoulda been Allegra de Fontaine instead.
I had the same thought exactly. But then, this is also the same property that wasted Rebecca Hall on a nothing role, so… (sighs)
I hope the biggest impact this movie has is that it shows not every marvel movie needs to pretend to be a comedy