If you recall, Ray Fisher wants nothing more to do with Walter Hamada, the current president of DC Films. In case anyone was curious as to how that would impact any projects involving the Justice League, we are about to find out sooner than later: According to The Wrap, a source close to The Flash film says that they have already written the planned Cyborg cameo out of the current version of the film. As of now, Warner Bros. has no plans to recast Fisher.
Just before 2020 came to a close, Fisher tweeted a statement against Hamada and Warner Bros., confirming that he will “not participate in any production associated with” the DC Films president after the investigation into his allegations of racism and additional abuse on the Justice League set. The conflict came to light back in July when Fisher began to publicly address his experience with director Joss Whedon, who he says fostered a “gross, abusive, unprofessional” environment on the set. Co-star Jason Momoa was the first person involved with the film outside of Zack Snyder to publicly stand behind Fisher ahead of WarnerMedia’s internal investigation, denouncing both their treatment during filming and WarnerMedia’s decision to release a “fake Frosty announcement” to allegedly distract from Fisher’s complaints. After the conglomerate concluded its review, it announced that it would take “remedial action,” but never got around to specifying what those actions would be or who they would target.
In September, Fisher went on to say that the president of DC Films “throw Joss Whedon and Jon Berg under the bus in hopes that [he] would relent on [then-DC Entertainment president] Geoff Johns.” Warner Bros. denied any wrongdoing on Hamada’s part before claiming that Fisher refused to to speak to the investigators despite “multiple attempts” to connect.
It’s hard to determine how much Cyborg’s absence will impact the Flash film, which will explore the ideas of a multiverse. Fisher, however, will be busy with ABC’s Women Of The Movement limited series.
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I really want the details of all of this to leak or come out. There’s some shit that’s not being said on either side of this argument and it’s getting really hard to back either side here.
an important thing to remember is you are under no obligation to back anyone and it truly, truly doesn’t matter if you do!
No one is under any obligation, and no one else may care what one person thinks, but neither of those are the point, are they? Personally, I take believing survivors of abuse seriously and deciding which people’s work I support or not, so my opinion matters to me. It’s not an “obligation,” its each person following through on their values. And since we’re, y’know, on a pop culture website, people might come here to talk about how they feel with others who want to have conversations about it.
Even though this is what Fisher wants, it’s not a great look for DC that the whistle-blower is out and the actor who choked a fan is still in.
I’m out of the loop but which actor choked a fan?
Ezra Miller. I totally forgot about that microscopic blip in the culture, when some cell-phone footage of Ezra Miller in a store grabbing some fan by the throat and pushing/pulling her to the ground. Equal parts joking and also really doing the heck out of it, so just a bizarre little scene.
Ezra Miller.
What did he whistle blow exactly?
The dog whistle.
Ehh, making all those terrible movies was a much worse look than a non-star making vague accusations and refusing to share his non-star power with them.
Fisher left of his own volition though. By all accounts Walter Hamada was trying to keep Fisher involved, but Fisher chucked a fit at an executive who had no part of JL. We also have no clue what Fisher was even whistleblowing. Whistleblowing isn’t just blowing a whistle loudly, you need to actually indicate why you’re blowing that whistle.
That choking incident disappeared so quickly and thoroughly that I’m halfway convinced it was an April Fools’ prank. The people who initially posted the videos seem to have deleted their accounts, Miller’s never addressed the incident as far as I can tell, and and references to it just stop even though Miller’s participation in big movies continues. I guess with the extended dumpster fires of the post-Tsujihara era at WB, a short video where you choke-slam someone was the kind of thing that’d just fall through the cracks.
What’s the alternative, though? Fisher doesn’t want to work with Hamada. WB has cleared Hamada of wrong doing. Hamada continues to be involved. I would think it’s a worse look to force Fisher to live up to a multi-picture contract that I believe he had.
At this point his relationship with WB has become so toxic that even if his (somewhat vague) allegations are true there really is no positive for them to continue working with him.
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It’s really hard to work with someone when you feel like you should be wearing a wire every time you talk with them, just in case. After the stuff Fisher pulled on Hamada in September, it’s hard to believe that Hamada would’ve ever been willing to hire him again, regardless of the truth of his allegations.
I found it funny that Fisher flipped out back in September when he heard that Warner Media had a rep on the phone as a third party. Of course they’d screen all his calls. I wouldn’t even call to wish Fisher happy birthday without a lawyer on that line.
You know, there’s been a Snyder Tribalist has been trawling the comment sections on these articles accusing anyone who doesn’t automatically believe Ray Fisher’s vague accusations and hearsay is somehow racist. And that had me thinking of something about his usA part of me is worried that maybe my judgement on Fisher’s accusations may be clouded towards my biases of Snyder’s movies. Not a big part but it’s there. That’s why I’m willing to withhold definitive judgement on this until Fisher stops giving vague accusations. He may be telling the truth or he may not. But we shouldn’t jump to conclusions when we barely know anything about what happened. And people will speculate what happenedBut the point is that we don’t know and accusing people of being racist for not automatically believing him just without a solid accusation is equivalent of accusing people who want evidence of Trump’s claims of voter fraud are somehow being discriminatory of Republicans. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
Ok. Don’t wanna name names? Everytime I see a new Ray Fisher post the commentary is mostly about how Ray Fisher needs to prove what he says etc etc. So I’m sorry one “Snyder Tribalist” has poisoned the well for you, but I see a lot of people already on your side. See for example most posts in this thread.
I use the “Snyder Tribalist” as I’m not talking people who just like Snyder’s movies. I’m talking about people the more toxic, reactionary individuals who take not liking the movie as a personal attack on them. And as for not naming names. Normally I’d do it but I thought this time it’d be a dick move because, aside from the persecution complex towards his movie preferences, he doesn’t seem like a bad person. I just want the guy to realize there’s a healthy way to appreciate Snyder’s movies that doesn’t involve accusing people of being racist. Mainly because a few years ago I got kicked off of io9 because I was a raging asshole to anyone who liked Zach Snyder’s movies. Even called people who did a fascist. I remember I’d make this bullshit argument that BvS was fascist because Trump’s Secretary of the Treasury was a producer on it. It was an unhealthy mindset. I’ve now since realized that it’s one thing to not like a movie and voice your opinion, it’s another to be a dick to other people for liking it.
He may be telling the truth or he may not.Actually, that’s technically not true, and that’s part of the reason why so many people are frustrated with (and unconvinced by) Fisher. His public statements have been almost entirely opinions and innuendoes, which by their nature can’t really be disproved.Nobody doubts, or should doubt, that he really feels mistreated by the people he accused. But until and unless he reveals the factual basis for his feelings, he hasn’t said anything to the public that can be proven true or false, and which can then inform if his opinions and insinuations are reasonable or not.
“Nobody doubts, or should doubt, that he really feels mistreated by the people he accused.”Remember when the insinuation was that Joss Whedon had mistreated him? And everyone found that plausible and Whedon was let go from lots of other projects?
Now Ray says “I received a phone call from the President of DC Films wherein he attempted to throw Joss Whedon and Jon Berg under the bus in hopes that I would relent on Geoff Johns.”
Man, not used to defending Ray Fisher, but I’ll point out that that quote doesn’t mean he’s given up the claim that Whedon (and Berg) mistreated him. The claims are vaguely out there that Whedon, Berg, and Johns were dismissive when he objected to the rewrites and “threatened his career” (to which the honest, sarcastic answer should be “What career?”) to keep him in line during reshoots. (The only reported specific example of this was that Fisher supposedly objected to Cyborg saying the line “boo-ya” in a heroic scene.) It’s been claimed that something similar happened when Whedon wanted Gadot to do the “Flash falls into Wonder Woman’s cleavage” gag that was both recycled from his last film and not really all that funny in the first place. Supposedly, he took her aside and yelled at her for a while, after which she, as an established actress coming off a hit movie, simply went over his head and had the execs side with her.Now, I’m sure we can all agree that getting yelled at at work is upsetting, and that if someone yells at you at work you might reasonably hold a grudge against them. Just as much as I think most of us would agree that not every time that someone yells at someone else at work does it merit an outside investigation and an online campaign against that coworker or boss. The difference between the yelling you shrug off and the yelling that gets people fired is details. If Fisher was getting yelled at because “You people always make problems!” then investigate away. If “threatening Fisher’s career” amounted to pointing out that if he couldn’t go with JL’s new tone, he probably didn’t have a future in the DCEU, since that tone, and not Snyder’s, was going to carry the day going forward, then that’s a shrug.The implication of his claim against Hamada is that Hamada implied he’d side with Fisher against Whedon and Berg so long as he agreed to leave Johns—a higher-level exec who’s kinda central to the DCEU—out of it. I have no way of knowing if it’s true, and again, that’s all in the details. Details that Fisher hasn’t revealed, and it’s getting more and more unlikely anyone will still give a damn by the time he chooses to tell his side of the story.
I almost put in myself the point that those aren’t necessarily contradictory positions. However, the fact that they are not *necessarily* contradictory doesn’t mean that a rational person won’t wonder what the hell kind of point Ray Fisher is trying to make.
He may be telling the truth or he may not.Who can tell? It’s not as if he’s provided any details.
You’re mentally ill
He’s been terminated.
Ray: (in Austrian accent and tinfoil wrapped over half his face) “I’ll be BACK.”
Man who says he hates leadership of company he worked for is no longer working for company. In other news, Water! Is it wet?
Hollywoo celebrities? What do they know? Do they know things? Let’s find out!
The wrap article partly came about because noted liar Grace Randolph spread gossip a couple of days ago that Fisher was being recast for The Flash. This article is more shutting down Grace Randolph’s nonsensical lies than telling us that water is wet.
I’m sure the director is heartbroken that he won’t get to benefit from Fisher’s never-ending stream of unsolicited script revisions, all of which coincidentally happen to give Fisher more screen time.
When cyborg is not on screen, all the other characters should be asking, “where’s cyborg?”
“Cyborg” was Batman’s mother’s name.
And that boys father was… HARDAC.And now you know the rest of the story.
“Cyborg should be louder, angrier and have access to a time machine” “Ray, this a flash movie, we don’t need any time machines”.
this a flash movie, we don’t need any time machines
Well, technically:
oh my god every ounce of this is soboring
This, so much. So many posts about this shit and yet there’s absolutely nothing spicy about it. Nothing.
Cyborg died on his way home to his home planet.
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If you recall, Ray Fisher wants nothing more to do with , the current president of DC Films. FTFY. I’m done giving them a chance after the turd that was 1984. That was hardly worth watching just to make fun of. call me up when they have consistent storytelling instead of GRITFEST5000
I bet all the staff are really upset man who makes vague accusations with no evidence online to troll army isn’t back on set.
How the Hell did you go and get fired on your day off?
“I don’t even work here!”“That’s what makes this so hard!”
Short version:Company decides that continually toxic independent contractor has to go. Does not renew contract. Moves on. Staff relieved to be able to do their jobs again without all the whooha.
I suspect his existing contract had a multi-picture deal but given that Fisher said he will not work for/with Hamada that was probably more of the nail in his coffin as Cyborg than the company’s choice.
Cool, so now DC can get back to making mostly bad movies, and Ray Fisher can get back to being a mostly forgettable actor, and we can never find out what happened.
We’ll see what happens. I hope that Mr. Fisher’s career isn’t torpedoed by these events. There are other roles, beyond the comic book world.As far as Cyborg, if he’s not recast, that’s a pretty glaring quasi-admission of guilt. Worse, it is a kind of racial erasure, since Cyborg was one of DC Comics first black heroes.
Has any actor ever received so much press for not liking the way they were treated on a movie set? We still don’t have much info about what happened, and yet this story will not go away.
“It’s hard to determine how much Cyborg’s absence will impact the Flash film…”I’m guessing little to none.
The lense through which this is interesting (maybe the only one) to me is what it exposes about corporate HR practices and damage control. Remember, Fisher would not speak to Warner Movies only to Warner Corporate and that worked! But then he decided it wasn’t enough and blew it all up. He got pretty far but…they’re not going to fire the boss for you, bud.If somebody else has something they can make public then go ahead, but vague allegations of enablement aren’t worth blowing up your career for
I think in our current times if there was actual smoke around Hamada, they would take action. They don’t want their version of a Weinstein situation. Also if there was smoke, DC films are not doing so well that it seems likely no one else would be talking. It seems more likely that whatever it was did not warrant firing Hamada.
I wouldn’t presume that.
I mean the fact that Walter Hamada wasn’t made president of DC Films until after Justice League failed and had no credit on Justice League, it seems unlikely that he was responsible for what happened on the set of Justice League.
I don’t know why you would think that, do you know in what capacity he was involved previously? Involvement in specific movie sets is more not less likely when you’re not the head of production. You sound like you’ve made a decision and are just following it, so have fun with that, I don’t really gaf to keep talking about it.
He was not involved according to pretty much all the press around his hire. The negotiations to bring him into the fold only happened after Batman v. Superman and Justice League failed at the box office. Hamada was not brought into the DC fold until January 2018 – 4 months after Justice League was released and almost a year after production wrapped. Prior to 2018, he had no involvement in the DC films and none has ever been reported. The likelihood that Berg and Johns were even in danger of being replaced didn’t exist until Justice League failed.It is extremely unlikely that an EP overseeing a completely different portfolio of films would have been so intimately involved with a film that failed so badly that the producers involved were re-organized and then would have been given the top job. It’s possible that Fisher’s complaint is about things that have happened since, but It’s highly unlikely that Hamada had any involvement in what went on on-set which Fisher had previously suggested blaming Whedon and Berg and calling Johns a scapegoat.
I have lost the plot. Maybe it was just that Yamada didn’t clean house after being brought in? But also, maybe he thought these people could change or that they would if legally forced to. Like…Dave Filoni…imagine if he was a piece of shit instead of the guy you want to be your kid brother. Like, he has too much institutional knowledge to fire. Geoff Johns whatever he did if it was something you can come back from they have invested too many millions not to try to turn it around…and there’s the problem because nobody is verifying they are handling it internally or otherwise. But I still don’t see the basis for Fisher going off the rails on this guy at this point.
But Hamada did clean house – Geoff Johns and John Berg who were the one’s Fisher pointed the finger at initially are no longer working on DC films. That’s why many people are confused by this latest statement. It may just be that Zack Snyder made certain promises or what have you and Fisher really wouldn’t be happy working with anyone else.
Walter Hamada was at New Line, a completely different division of Warner Brothers.
Fisher trying to Twitter-shame WB was never a smart move. Settle that bullshit internally with the company. So long, Mr. Fisher.
Nothing against Fisher, but I really hate the Cyborg character in the DC universe. So boring. Less of him the better, I say!
The funny part about this whole thing is that it assumes that the Flash movie will ever even get made.
I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a more troubled production. I’m convinced that the office for the directors and screenwriters consist only of a revolving door.
fortunately there is hours of footage that Snyder can use for his 10 hour masterwork. Also, Fisher may write a “War and Peace” length book about his experience without ever telling us what happened.
You should replace “recast” with “missed” in the headline.
Is there anyone on earth who actually wants an Ezra Miller Flash movie?
Honestly, I’d rather have a Captain Boomerang movie. I never thought that my favorite Jai Courtney role would be from Suicide Squad of all films but he was more entertaining than Ezra’s Flash.
Though… I think Ezra’s Flash was the one hero that benefits from the Whedon-formula of characters. I don’t think I’d like a pure Snyder Flash.
Jai is generally better in roles where he doesn’t have to a super serious macho dude which is what he was generally typecast as. He was good in Spartacus and fun in Wet Hot American Summer: Ten Years Later.
I’d rather have a Matter-Eater Lad movie.
Ezra Miller’s mom?
insert “better than ezra” joke here
Nope. Not when we’ve had several seasons of a pretty good Grant Gustin The Flash TV show.
Yeah, although the show seems to have been working really hard to make the Flash as unlikeable as possible the last few years.
Ask the costume and make-up people on Justice League what went down.Plus, when all the principles have mini-entourages following them around going, “Yeah man, fuck that guy…” and on the flip side you have lawyers advising total silence, shit like this turns into multi-player Hollywood Gossip Game of Thrones type shit.
Damn , I like Cyborg , and I was kind of hoping they’d do the ‘other side’ of the cameo scene in “infinite earths”
Quelle surprise.
Grown-ass adults acting like toy action figures and I cannot care less.
hey, no need to diss action figures like that!
They’re ALL either action figures or dollies. Let’s pick one name and stick with it.
Good for both the cast and the character. I do not want to see his face unless it’s with the goddamn Titans.