Game Of Thrones co-creators D.B. Weiss and David Benioff confirm they’re not involved in the spin-offs
The Game Of Thrones co-creators will not be working on House Of The Dragon
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Some Game Of Thrones fans don’t seem too invested in the idea of revisiting Westeros, but HBO doesn’t want to let Game Of Thrones go. However, it appears HBO is the only one having a tough time walking away. Though some of the planned spin-offs didn’t pan out, the network is still going forward with prequel series House Of The Dragon and at least two other series. But, for better or worse, D.B. Weiss and Benioff aren’t listed as creators of House Of Dragon or any of the other shows.
In a new interview with Entertainment Weekly, Game Of Thrones co-creators D.B. Weiss and David Benioff confirm they have nothing to do with upcoming titles.
“All in, we were 11 years, probably, doing that show [Games Of Thrones]. When I say 11 years, it was full on, all in, all day, every day for 11 years,” says Weiss. “It was the best decade of our lives. It still kind of feels a bit like a dream, but we got to a place where it was pretty clear to us that we had reached the end of what made sense for us to be involved with in that world that we lived. It just felt like, for us, it was time to move on and get excited and terrified about building something else—building lots of something elses.”
He also says that he and Benioff didn’t see the new “Game of Thrones shows [as] something that made sense for [them] to be involved with.”
As reported last year, House Of The Dragon will focus on Daenerys Targaryen’s ancestors, specifically King Viserys, set to be played by Paddy Considine.
The D&D-less show began filming in 2021 and a teaser for it was shared last year, too. The series counts George R.R. Martin and Ryan Condal as co-creators, with Miguel Sapochnik as the showrunner along with Condal. Sapochnik directed various Game Of Thrones episodes, including Emmy winner “Battle Of The Bastards.” Clare Kilner and Geeta V. Patel are also directing House Of The Dragon alongside Greg Yaitanes, who’ll also serve as co-executive producer.
HBO has yet to share a release date for the series, but it’s expected to arrive at some point in 2022.
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They should put this in the ads.
Not just ads for House of the Dragon, but ads for any product could only benefit from this disclaimer. “Benioff and Weiss were not involved in any way, shape or form in the making of the Shinehardt Wig Company’s summer catelog.” It’s the new “gluten-free”.
Yeah, the amount of hate against D&D from toxic ‘fans’ is pathetic and shameful. These people made GOT into what it is today. And the fact of the matter is, GOT S8 is one of the most complex and ambitious seasons in television history. Even IF you think it was a failure, it was still leagues beyond the ‘success’ of most shows out there.
Whoa, there are still people defending S8? Wacky.
There are people celebrating S8. It’s one of the best TV seasons in history.
Season 8 isn’t even one of the best TV seasons in Game of Thrones.
Jaime knighting Brienne, Jenny of Oldstones, the Dothraki charge (talk ‘military strategy’ all you want, I dare you say it wasn’t badass), Lyanna going out like a boss, Arya’s ninja moves, Arya in the library, the dragon fight with the NK, NK raising the dead instead of allowing Jon to get near him, Jorah’s death, Theon’s death, the whole final scene ending with Arya’s charge at the NK, Sansa telling Tyrion about Jon, Dany getting blindsided, Cersei killing Missandrei, Varys’s death, Tyrion and Jaime’s last meeting, Dany destroying the army, the unrelenting tension before the bells ring, Dany making the choice to unleash the dragon, the Hound returning the light in Arya’s eyes and off the path of endless vengeance, Jaime and Cersei seeing each other for the first time with love rather than lust, Cersei for the first time caring about anyone other than her children (‘Are you hurt?’), Hound vs the Mountain, Jaime and Cersei dying together (Cersei with the hands of her younger brother around her neck!), the devastation of Dany’s genocide, Tyrion finding his dead siblings, the nail-biting moment between Jon and Grey Worm, Dany’s speech, Tyrion’s public pimp slap, Jon and Tyrion’s discussion, Jon making the most important choice in the entire show, the burning of the Throne, Bran elected as king, Brienne writing Jaime’s story, the Small Council and, last but not least, the final fate of Arya, Sansa and Jon.
Does any other season have even half of this?
more ≠ better
The better seasons (which I give credit to D&D for) were more than collections of moments. The parts worked synergistically to make an effective whole.
All of those are just fanservice moments without any groundwork, and therefore don’t have any payoff. For example:Why should Arya have been the one to kill the Night King? She’s never even met the dude? Jaime returning to Cersei obliterates his character arc. He remarks to Tyrion that “he doesn’t really care about the people” when that is demonstrably not true – he left Cersei for Winterfell to fight!In much the same way, Cleganebowl also obliterates Sandor’s arc – he’s complete, he’s moved past the trauma of Gregor’s abuse and his own sins – having him go out fighting him is just fanservice.Bran as king makes no fucking sense, not least of which there being absolutely no indication of him wanting it, or him being a good choice as king, or even it being the plan of the three eyed raven – what was the point otherwise?S8 oscillates wildly between doing the obvious-but-dumb thing for the memes (Cleganebowl), and doing unexpected “didn’t expect that” moments without any foreshadowing (Arya & the Night King) which ends up coming accross as both pandering, and thoughtless.
Well to be fair, Bran being king may be a George RR Martin idea an hence part of the reason the books are stalled given the reception was less than stellar in some quarters.Unless a bit of a fix was applied …
Bran spends half the show training to become a Master Druid, literally connected to the continent to become its figurative beating heart. We see his role model, a person who has spent decades if not centuries living in one place in a cave, attached to tree roots, watching over all, jumping through time and space. Wow. Cool fate for Bran. Was he Bran the Builder? Did he see all as well?No, in the end he just says “fuck all that” and becomes…. the king?
‘Why should Arya have been the one to kill the Night King? She’s never even met the dude?’
And why should she not? Only in lame Hollywood movies and shows is it important that the ‘right person’ dispatches the main baddie. But to answer your question on a thematic level, Arya SHOULD kill the NK, because the entire theme of Arya’s story is DEATH, and who else is the literal embodiment of death on the show? ‘What do we say to the God of death? Not today.’ Arya sneaking on a black cat, Arya seeing half her family die. Arya learning to survive and fend for herself in the hostile medieval world. Arya joining a literal DEATH CULT to gain unique skills that no one else in Westeros has.
What, you wanted some 15 minute duel between Jon and the NK when it is obvious no one has the strength to fight the NK directly? The kind we’ve seen countless times in far more inferior shows and movies? Go ahead, tell me with a straight face this would have been preferable.
‘Jaime returning to Cersei obliterates his character arc. He remarks to Tyrion that “he doesn’t really care about the people” when that is demonstrably not true – he left Cersei for Winterfell to fight!’Jaime returning to Cersei FULFILLS his arc. He learned what love is when he saw how happy Brienne was when being knighted and he transformed from a cynical bastard to someone who will gladly and selflessly do his duty. When he returns to Cersei it is the first time he looks at her with true love rather than pure lust and Cersei recognizes this and in turn for the first time drops the ‘b*tch shield’ she always thought would protect her and reveals her humanity, asking him if he is hurt, the first time she truly cared for anyone other than her children. Sorry if you thought Jaime killing Cersei like some cackling villain was a better ending than this.
As for the comment, come on! Don’t tell me you can’t recognize a prime example of talking sh*t. Jaime being Jaime, trying, and failing, to lessen the sheer emotional impact of the moment.
‘In much the same way, Cleganebowl also obliterates Sandor’s arc – he’s complete, he’s moved past the trauma of Gregor’s abuse and his own sins – having him go out fighting him is just fanservice.’
Well, did he? Can a lifetime of wanting and seeking revenge ever truly go away? His best bet was saving Arya from this. There is no indication whatsoever that despite the Hound gaining a bit of enlightenment that the hatred for his brother ever truly abated. Only in movies does one never suffer relapses. One night without drinking and the person never picks up the bottle again? It’s extremely amusing to me how the audience repeatedly confuses relapsing with ‘ruined character development’ just like in the How I Met Your Mother ending.
And yes, the fight is a genius parody of ‘fan service’. It is a grandiose spectacular fight that accomplishes precisely nothing except getting its participants killed, consumed in the fire of vengeance, thus deftly highlighting the sheer futility of it.
And therein lies the rub. There was even a video to the effect of ‘Why is violence in S8 so unfulfilling?’ You wanted your violence to be fulfilling. That is why ‘Battle of the Bastards’, the episode that comes closes to it received such glowing reviews. But GOT is at its heart a PACIFIST show that consistently and steadfastly refuses to glorify violence, even when it was fully justified. Nowhere is this more apparent than in the fate of Jon after killing Daenerys.
‘Bran as king makes no fucking sense, not least of which there being absolutely no indication of him wanting it, or him being a good choice as king, or even it being the plan of the three eyed raven – what was the point otherwise?’
Again, if you look superficially at a story such as this, expect superficial results. Bran’s kingship, not only makes a whole lot of sense but is the most wonderful part of the story.
On a more apparent level, Bran is the ultimate embodiment of wisdom and accumulated knowledge, and the show repeatedly highlights the importance of wisdom in a good ruler, with even Tywin paying lip service to it.
There is no indication of Bran wanting to rule, because Bran truly does not want to rule. If ruling is something you ‘want’ rather than ‘dread’ than it’s exactly the kind of position that has too much power and too little accountability. Also, even if he wanted to rule, saying it while the power-hungry dragon-lady was still in business would not have been a smart move.
Him being a good choice for a king does not come from the narrative. It comes from the totality of the story. What kind of a ruler does a broken realm need? Where have the previous rulers failed and how? How did the realm get to the point of giving Bran a chance? The entire point of the story was that narratives do not make for great rulers, as both Dany and Jon dutifully constructed theirs throughout the show.On the most symbolic level, Bran is a stand-in for the audience, the first POV character. He is immediately warned with the phrase ‘He who passes the sentence must swing the sword.’ i.e. to not make moral judgments in the show lightly, which is something just about everyone ignores (especially when they excuse cruelty of Dany due to the medieval setting of the story). In the end, ‘why did I come here all this way’ is a subtle not to the audience, the keepers of all the stories in the GOT universe. Why does one bother reading stories in the first place, going through triumphs and tragedies? Well, on a deepest level it is to gain wisdom needed to ‘rule one’s realm’, i.e. lead one’s life.
I hope they have more paragraphs at least.
Yawn, Who?, It was in total darkness, Ok that was cool, What?, It was in total darkness, It was in total darkness, He already did that, Yawn, Yawn, Yawn, What?, What?, One of the worst moves she could have made, Yawn, Don’t remember, Ok that was alright, What tension?, Dany’s choice was terrible and didn’t have nearly the build up it should have been given since everything was so rushed (it’s one of the biggest blunders of the show overall), CLEGANEBOWL, Jaime’s motivation for going back to Cersei was awful and paper-thin, CLEGANEBOWL, Jaime and Cersei’s death was terriblly handled, This didn’t resonate with me, Tyrion finding Jaime and Cersei was almost comical because they were under like a handful of rocks, Don’t remember, Don’t remember, Don’t remember, Don’t remember, Killing Dany felt unearned, The burning of the throne was weird (Does Drogon understand politics and the throne as a symbol?), Bran elected as king was universally panned, So?, Small council was dumb and had a water bottle and had two randos for no reason (who were those people?), the final fates of the Starks are unremarkable.Overall it was a very meh season that tried to cram too much into too little space. Given room to breathe it could have worked. But a lot of decisions were rushed, and a lot of other decisions were just bad.
Really? Which history?
“Most expensive,” maybe. But “best”? Get the fuck out of here.
It’s one of the best TV seasons in history. It’s not even one of the best TV seasons in GoT history.
edit: damn, someone beat me to the punch. OK, how about: no. Just no.
…no.
Game of Thrones Season 8.Rotten Tomatoes Critic Score 55%Audience Score 30%Keep in mind it was the same group of people voting on the other 7 seasons. Those tend to score relatively better to much better. If anything, the critics seem to be relatively kinder than the general audience.
Man, S7 was barely passable and S8 is WAAAAY worse than S7.
Down boy. Here’s a Liv-a-Snap.Cry the beloved bullied multi-millionaires! They suck and they ruined a great show. But at least Star Wars read the room and fired them.
Rushing to check off the remaining plot points in a single season so they could move onto other projects is the opposite of ambitious. Yes, they made an excellent show, and then they torpedoed it because they got bored but wouldn’t/couldn’t hand it off.I mean, you’re allowed like it, noone can take that from you; but to call it “one of the best/most ambitions seasons of television in history” does a pretty massive discredit to plenty of better shows; not least its own earlier seasons.
And they got bored with the show by putting in one more season than was originally planned and spending two years rather than one on it??? Not to mention, the easiest thing they could have done of they were ‘bored’ was give out a fan service ending that would give the ‘loyal fans’ what they want but ruin just about any theme the show was trying to establish.
That is the tragedy: The vast majority of the audience wanted GOT to stop being GOT as it neared its end.
I think it’s both the case that they got bored and that they were trying to execute the bullet points GRRM gave them. GRRM himself hasn’t been able to write a path from his most recent book to his planned ending, and D&D haven’t had nearly as much time to write, so they just threw up their hands and plowed ahead to get it done regardless of whether everything makes sense and holds together.
Yeah but they had plenty of time to see the books weren’t going to be finished. There’s no shortage of extremely talented writers out there and they had HBO’s deep pockets, there are a lot of ways it could have been concluded without feeling like a half-assed rush.
I think they definitely should have done a better job of delegating. They’ve complained about exhausting it was and how much of their time has gone to the show, but it’s not like they had fewer writing & directing credits for the later seasons (they had no directing credits for the earliest seasons). But I also don’t think just hiring some more good writers after season 5 (when they got to the end of the books) would be sufficient to fix the problem. GRRM wanted his last two books to be made into something like three seasons, but there’s no way a faithful adaptation of those would make for good television, and his idea for something like eleven seasons to reach his ending wasn’t going to happen. The sprawl of the storyline has prevented him from making further progress in the books, and that sort of sprawl is even less suitable for television. Ruthless trimming is necessary, but doing things like introducing Dorne (badly) and then quickly dismissing it in later seasons just falls completely flat in comparison to how the arc of the first four seasons worked. Trimming should thus have occurred earlier, but they didn’t yet know Winds of Winter would never come out and how little point there was in trying to adapt the existing material vs making the remaining material they had to make up themselves workable.
One of the best trolls I’ve seen in ages.
Then again, I guess statistically there will always be someone out there who loves terrible things. So maybe I’m wrong here.
GRRM and HBO both wanted 10 seasons, it was B&W that decided to stop at 8.And to reiterate, the problem wasn’t the plot points themselves, it’s that they were perfunctory in their execution. They didn’t get to build nor breathe, they were just thrown up haphazardly.In another of your replies you listed a bunch of (mostly) great moments in the season, but those moments were undercut by the execution of the season as a whole. It was less than the sum of its parts.Those moments deserved a better season around them.
‘GRRM and HBO both wanted 10 seasons, it was B&W that decided to stop at 8.’
And what would have that given you? Two more seasons of the cast mugging for the camera, while the audience itself complains the show is not as good as it used to be and eventually peters out? 73 hour-long episodes of top tier cinema-level fantasy was not enough for you? Maybe D&D should have been kidnapped in a shack and had their ankles smashed with a hammer to encourage them to write some more?
The series was right to end when it did. Everything about the nature of power was well and truly told by the beginning of S8. The only thing left was for that one final devastating reveal.
‘And to reiterate, the problem wasn’t the plot points themselves, it’s that they were perfunctory in their execution. They didn’t get to build nor breathe, they were just thrown up haphazardly.’
And for me to reiterate as well, there was NOTHING perfunctory in S8. You didn’t need neither ‘build up’ nor ‘breathing room’ if your understanding of the show was accurate. OTOH, if you thought the show was about Dany burning her enemies to a crisp, Jaime redeeming himself by killing the mother of his unborn child, or Arya getting to use her faces, then no amount of hand holding would have prepared you for the final whiplash.
It is no accident that the moment things started going wrong for Dany was the moment the audiences started turning on the show.
[S8] was less than the sum of its parts.
More, not less. Everything in the season was subtly built in the sidelines and brought to fruition in the most ingenious way. The level of detail and the number of callbacks to earlier seasons is insane. Here I’ll just give 3 examples:
1) ‘We die today brothers. We die bleeding from a hundred wounds. With arrows in our necks. And spears in our guts. But our war-cries will echo through eternity. They will sing about the battle of Winterfell until the Iron Islands have slipped beneath the waves.’
Remember this speech? When was it made? How did Theon end up dying? In which battle? Almost as if we ourselves sometimes aren’t aware of the greatness that hides within us.
2) Everyone compares the final Throne Room scene with the one in the vision, but did you notice that in the final scene the room is even MORE destroyed than in the vision? Almost as if, among all the paths to power, Dany chose among the most destructive ones.
3) Why is Jon the only one who gets to reunite with his direwolf? A direwolf is one’s sense of self. Sansa loses it when she betrays her family, Arya let’s hers go wild and gets consumed with vengeance to the point that not even Nymeria recognizes her anymore, Bran loses his when he became the 3ER and Rob and Rickon, of course, lost it upon their deaths.
Jon is the only one who always stayed true to himself. A lost ear is a sign that some compromises had to be made, but the overall core of his wolf is intact. Jon is the only one that gives off the tiniest smile at the end. He has won the Game of Thrones.
Clearly you’re missing my point if you’re gonna reply to “the plot points and individual moments weren’t the problem” by expounding on the payoffs and symbolism in individual scenes and plot points.
Well, you keep harping on this whole ‘execution’ thing which you never even bother explaining, i.e. what was it about S8 execution that was so wrong it justifies this level of hatred.
You said things in S8 were done perfunctory, I gave you several examples and can give you numerous more why this is not the case, i.e. that tons of things about S8 were carefully planned way in advance. You said it’s less than the sum of its parts, I showed you the ways in which the parts add together with each other and if you look at my response to Jordan Sim’s message, you’ll find a lot more of that. And no one, not even the most ardent haters, dispute the level of production and effort needed to pull off the kind of scenes shown in S8.
So to sum up, we’ve got a season with great scenes, great production values and deep symbolism all of which not even you deny. In most books, all of this alone would merit an 8 out of 10. Yet for some reason, this season engenders hostility to an almost comical degree only because of it’s ‘writing’ and ‘execution,’ two words most commonly thrown around that can mean almost everything and nothing. That is complete bull.
It’s the message that is the problem.
The audiences rejected the message of the show, the message that violence is a bad thing and not something to glorify. The audiences were denied their dose of self-affirming violence and were instead treated to a dose of stomach-churning barbaric violence in S8E5 (meted out by the ‘good guys’ no less) and THIS is why the show is so hated.
“Well, you keep harping on this whole ‘execution’ thing which you never even bother explaining”What I mean is there’s a lot of good stuff in there, but what’s missing is the connective tissue between these moments. All sense of scale is out the window because characters are rushed to wherever they need to be – developments that would’ve taken place over whole/multiple episodes in earlier seasons, are crammed into a couple of scenes.Character development is unsatisfying because it’s pretty much played as “now it’s time for this to happen”. In earlier seasons, characters make terrible mistakes all the time, but they’re believable – and in hindsight inevitable. In season 8, characters make decisions because the plot requires them to.“what was it about S8 execution that was so wrong it justifies this level of hatred.”I never said anything about the level of hatred being justified. Don’t put words in my mouth.“And no one, not even the most ardent haters, dispute the level of production and effort needed to pull off the kind of scenes shown in S8.”Neither am I, idk why you raise that as a point.“Yet for some reason, this season engenders hostility to an almost comical degree only because of it’s ‘writing’ and ‘execution,’ two words most commonly thrown around that can mean almost everything and nothing. That is complete bull.”This seems to be the sticking point here. You’re looking at the component parts, my critique is more holistic. You may as well be rating a meal by the quality of its ingredients.“It’s the message that is the problem. The audiences rejected the message of the show, the message that violence is a bad thing and not something to glorify.”People can have different reasons to like/dislike something. Rattling off a strawman argument like this just undercuts your own points.aight, I’ve said my piece. Have a good evening.
but what’s missing is the connective tissue between these moments.In season 8, characters make decisions because the plot requires them to.
And these two sentences are ones we will always disagree about. There was plenty of connective tissue in S8. The audience just chose to ignore it because they were expecting a different story. And if you honestly think any of the major decisions of the characters in S8 were ‘because the plot requires them to’, then I’m afraid you’ve missed the complete point of the show, and in my mind you never understood any of those characters in the first place.
These people made GOT into what it is today.That’s the problem!
This is excellent satire.
He had me going the last time there was one of these articles but tipped his hand a bit too much now.
I suppose it is a little too on the nose.
No.
This… y’all ungrateful
I agree it was still better than most shows, ht it was still bad for Game of Thrones. D&D were great at adapting books. Ran out of books, and then rushed the end. Tragic. Season 8 was not at all complex lol
I also won’t be involved with Game of Thrones spinoffs. There’s already so much I’d rather watch.
Eh, I’m always up for a bit of Matt Smith.
You could always watch Doctor Who again!
Who isn’t!? Eh, eh? Nudge nudge! Wink wink! Say no more!
House of The Dragon is going to be like Jolt Cola: Twice the incest and four times as many dragons.
Check out the Venn diagram of people who disliked Weiss and Benioff’s influence on GoT (particularly the end) and are looking forward to the spinoffs:
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The Venn diagram of people who watched all episodes of GoT, bitch constantly about the end, pretend they won’t watch the spinoff, actually watch the spinoff:O
Why is this “news”? It was publicly announced long ago they have an exclusive deal with Netflix.
I feel a bit (just a bit!) for these guys. They did by all accounts a bang-up job adapting the existing source material…which then ran out. They tried to stretch middle seasons to wait it out but that didn’t work, so they just rushed head-long into a disappointing final season that obviously just hit the bullet points of some crappy outline of the endgame they got from GRRM. I’m not saying they aren’t very much responsible for a lot of the bad stuff, but it feels like a pretty crappy creative situation to be in.And then the backlash about the alternate history show was absurd, especially because it was mostly the media at fault for hyping them rather than their two co-EPs who were black – most people just thought it was a slavery show by two white guys and had no idea there were people of color who were co-creating/producing. The show might’ve been a bad idea but the pure vitriol just based on the logline and their involvement was ridiculous.I’m not holding any charity auctions for them, but it’s kind of weird how everyone’s just turned on a dime to hate them. Though I guess that happened similarly to Lindelof after Lost until he made The Leftovers.
Well, they figured out exactly how to make viewers feel it was all a tremendous waste of time. Probably would have been better in retrospect to just end where they books ended and leave the property hanging for a future series to resolve. Then the prequels would actually be interesting too instead of feeling superfluous.
No way HBO would’ve stopped that cash cow at its height, even if that made creative sense. Maybe they could’ve paid GRRM a boatload to actually finish the books between seasons! While I generally dislike the idea of movies based on or continuing TV shows, I think having it wrap up as a movie might’ve made sense too. It was really an unenviable position, though of course they did themselves no favors.
Well, interestingly enough for me at least, I didn’t have the slightest interest in Game of Thrones when it was on (the sum total of everything I’d seen was when walking past a TV and by chance seeing a young boy look in through the window of a tree and seeing something he shouldn’t have before being thrown to his seeming death – I hear he’s king now).But since the show seems to have turned into a flaming trainwreck over the final season on a par with the reaction to The Last Jedi, the number of videos I’ve seen ruthlessly dissecting the final season runs well into double digits. I’ve seen plenty of them more than once as well. Between that and the r/freefolk sub-forum on Reddit, It’s been morbidly very entertaining.Still haven’t seen an actual episode of the show, though.
It definitely wasn’t a turn on a dime. It was the slow deterioration of the show over several seasons (with a precipitous drop at the end). The backlash against the Civil War show went hand in hand with issues regarding the sexual violence and racial issues in GOT, which had existed for the entire run of the show. So nothing was sudden or surprising.
Nvm
“It just felt like, for us, it was time to move on and get excited and terrified about building something else—building lots of something elses.”Fortunately for us, all their ‘something elses” (Star Wars, Confederate, something else) were terrifying and we didn’t want them to build them.
Ah, cue the fans whose biggest accomplishments is pooping who bash creators
Always love to see people who obsessed over GoT for a decade tell us how despicable the people who created the show are. It’s hilarious.
People who to this day complain about those two are far worse than they could ever be.
Is there any interview where these guys explain why the final season wasn’t great?the conclusion to the White Walkers was soo bad. So wild they dropped the ball on that.
Most of us are just looking forward to Season Three of Carnivale. I mean, let’s face it.
I wish Benioff would write another book. I stopped watching GoT before it caught up to the books, as I’m the rare person holding out hope that GRRM might actually finish them. I read the two books Benioff wrote and really enjoyed them. I’m sure it’s unlikely, but would love to see another from him.
It still kind of feels a bit like a dream, but we got to a place where it was pretty clear to us that we had reached the end of what made sense for us to be involved with in that world that we lived.Unfortunately, they appear to have gotten to that place a couple years before the show actually ended. They should have handed it off to people who were still invested.
11 years on paper, but they really did checkout at around the 9 1/2 mark
Okay, fine,these guys…whatever. Will the CEO of Tits be executive producing?
They must have forgot to mention this….Person trolling this thread is a far greater character and villain than anything in season8.