Gemma Whelan says Game Of Thrones didn’t have an intimacy coordinator, so sex scenes were a “frenzied mess”
The actor, who played Yara Greyjoy, opens up about the reality of filming the show's sex scenes
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Gemma Whelan was profiled by The Guardian to talk about her upcoming role in the ITV’s The Tower, where she’ll play Detective Sergeant Sarah Collins in the adaptation of Kate London’s novel Post Mortem. In the interview, she also looks back at playing Yara Greyjoy on Game Of Thrones. She particularly opens up about what it was like to shoot intimate scenes—including the very awkward one where Yara shares a passionate moment with her brother, Theon.
Turns out, no matter how much money HBO has, they chose to not get an intimacy coordinator to guide them through the show’s many sex scenes. The actors were instead left to figure it all out on their own.
“They used to just say, ‘When we shout action, go for it!’, and it could be a sort of frenzied mess,” Whelan recalls. The actors were, at least, intuitive and consent-focused enough to check in with each other, according to the actor.
She adds, “There was a scene in a brothel with a woman and she was so exposed that we talked together about where the camera would be and what she was happy with. A director might say, ‘Bit of boob biting, then slap her bum and go!’, but I’d always talk it through with the other actor.”
As for the uncomfortable, incestuous scene, Whelan says that Alfie Allen “was very much, ‘Is this OK? How are we going to make this work?’ With intimacy directors, it’s choreography–you move there, I move there, and permission and consent is given before you start. It is a step in the right direction.”
This isn’t the first time a Game Of Thrones alum has talked about the mishandling of sex scenes from a production standpoint.
In an interview for James Hibberd’s oral history Fire Cannot Kill A Dragon: Game Of Thrones And The Official Untold Story Of The Epic Series, Jason Momoa shared that he was pressured to take off his intimacy pouch (the fabric covering his genitals) by David Benioff. He ultimately handed it to the GOT co-creator.
“[Benioff ending up holding the intimacy pouch] because David had been like, ‘Momoa, just take it off!’ You know, giving me shit,” Momoa recalled. “‘Sacrifice! Do it for your art!’ I’m just like ‘Fuck you, bro. My wife would be pissed. That’s for one lady only, man. So afterward I ripped the thing off and kept it in my hand and gave him a big hug and a handshake and was like, ‘Hey, now you have a little bit of me in you, buddy.”
Emilia Clarke also spoke about her experience shooting sex scenes for the book, saying, “I was so desperate to be the most professional actor I could be that I’d be like, ‘Yeah, sure,’ for anything they threw at me. I’ll just cry about it in the bathroom later, whatever, you won’t know.”
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No wonder the unions are about to strike this industry into a standstill again. Jesus Christ.
Then there was this:https://gizmodo.com/god-game-of-thrones-what-the-hell-was-wrong-with-you-1846958496
At what point does it cross the line where criminal charges could have been involved?
“At what point does it cross the line where criminal charges could have been involved?”
Maybe at the point where someone decides to bring it to the police, and likely not before that point?
I mean, for Christ’s sake, you think the Hollywood vice squad had undercover detectives on the sets in Ireland, Scotland and Croatia?
Yeah, waterboarding actors for “the art”
This is SO fucked up.
Why did that shoot take 10 hours?! Was the director just like, “No, that take didn’t work, do it again.”Scene 5, take 121, action!
do you think 10 hours is a long shoot day…? That’s practically a holiday on most sets
From the source article it says the scene was supposed to be much longer and much more graphic, hence the 10 hour shoot
Jesus christ what? Nothing reported here is untoward.
“No wonder the unions are about to strike this industry into a standstill again.”
Yeah, can you imagine that nobody did anything even though NOBODY FUCKING BROUGHT IT UP?
“including the very awkward one where Yara has sex with her brother, Theon.”Been a while since you’ve watched the scene, huh?
Is that them doing it on the horse? It does look awkward.
Isn’t that how everyone does it? What?
On our anniversary, if I’m lucky!
The ‘on a horse’ part, or the ‘accidentally with your sister’ part?
Talk about a Trojan horse.
His horse is AMAZING!
Clicking on this stupid GoT thread has suddenly become worthwhile.
ew, that’s dirty!
Do ya think so?
Shut up Murry, get on my horse!
It’s been almost 10 ywars since i heard this… fuck i was a young man who found this funny
Fuck I’m a middle aged man who still finds this funny!
Can it officially become like dad humor or uncle humor? haha
Sure!
What did I just watch?
You should probably watch it a few more times so you can think about that. Then you’ll know the whole song and be a better person for it 😉
He just sticks his hand down her pants, right? That seems like it wouldn’t be too hard to choreograph with minimal discomfort. Just have another layer (or more) underneath that he doesn’t go under, and I guess imply that his hand is doing more than it actually is, and further down.
But they didn’t choreograph it and that is the problem. They just told them to do it.
Fair point. There should certainly have been some pretty thorough discussion of what exactly was going to happen first.
Didn’t he just stick his hands in her shirt? That’s all I remember.
NOPE
hey we got an expert here!
easy for you to sit there and say, Monday morning quarterwank!
Or, you know, just shoot the scene without having to show his hand and her crotch. A *good* director would be able to guide his cast through the scene and suggest what’s happening without his hand and her crotch coming anywhere near each other.
This describes many of my first sexual experiences.
I’m glad Alfie was a good egg. Because just before the scene where he meets Yara, Theon really has an uncomfortable scene with the captain’s daughter.
In all seriousness, the mad hyperaccelerated rush to shoot through what sounds like what actually needed seasons to develop the plot points instead being Season 8 and six episodes from what I hear just might have been symptomatic of even many more serious problems behind the scenes.
Google says that Intimacy Coordinators weren’t really thing on TV productions until 2017 (the earliest show being The Affair in 2014 but pretty much every other show listed is 2017 onwards.)And all these scenes being talked in the article were filmed prior to. The only sex scene filmed after Intimacy Coordinators were made routine is the Arya and Gendry scene which was described as being up to Maisie’s discretion.
I don’t believe GOT ever used intimacy coordinators. After I believe the second season of The Deuce, HBO said that all shows going forward were going to use IC’s, but I don’t know that applied to an existing series that was about to wrap up like this one.After hearing what role Intimacy Coordinators play, I’m honestly shocked these haven’t been a thing for a while now. A lot of what they do is just make the actors more comfortable and give them someone not in a direct position of power over they can talk through the scene with. Particularly when it’s a sensitive scene, why wouldn’t you want your actors to be as comfortable as possible?
Can you imagine how dehumanizing those trashy Cinemax After Dark and trashy low budget 80s teen sex comedy sets must have been?
all I can do is imagine. and it usually results in a mess.
The practical answer is that most productions are desperately trying to move as fast as possible, so most directors would prefer to not have another person of authority on their set spending their time comforting actors instead of getting the scene done. Also actors being comfortable may make their performance worse to many directors. IC’s are definitely a good and necessary thing but it’s pretty obvious why they haven’t always been around.
Shhhhh, they are engaged in their favorite sport – pretending that the Game of Thrones producers are the cause of all evil while ignoring that George R.R. Martin is a sick perverted old fuck himself.
The part where they didn’t carefully choreograph it is regardless bad.
More reasons that I’m not sure I’ll ever feel compelled to sit through that show again
Why get on a train that you know will derail?
I’m not exactly surprised given the other stories that have come out, but still: What the hell??!!?
I mean, the show needed an everything coordinator, really.
Some kind of… “Executive” Producers, perhaps.
Alec Baldwin might be available.
Oh, because it was terrible during its whole run, yeah?
Starting with a “Get the author to actually finish the damn books” coordinator
By actually pulling the story threads together instead of scattering them to the 9 winds.
So…do we think having someone go to GRRM’s house and tell him, “Bit of boob biting, then slap her bum and go!” might actually shake a one of those books loose? I feel like most fans are past caring whether he’ll cry about it in the bathroom later.
Alright, Martin…when I yell “action!” you just make a frenzied mess until you’re done, ok?
Is that like an everything bagel?
Well if I don’t use the words “frenzied mess” to describe a sexual encounter, I don’t think I’m doing it right.
except what she’s describing isn’t a sexual encounter, it’s two coworkers trying to do their jobs of simulating the appearance of one from a distance without actually violating each others’ personal boundries. the last thing it should be is a frenzied mess.
the creators said of the Jamie Cersei scene at Joffrey’s funeral “it was rape that became consensual”These guys still get paychecks
Well, it seems like their careers are over now.
Because they sucked at finishing the show and their Confederacy show was a really, really dumb fucking idea. They deserve it.
I didn’t think Confederate was an especially interesting idea, but I never bought the idea that it was somehow problematic.
The idea itself isn’t automatically problematic… It’s not original at all, there have been hundreds of “What if The South Had Won” alternate history books published in the last 70 years and probably thousands about Germans winning WW2. The biggest problem with Confederate was these two rich white guys with mediocre talent and questionable storytelling skills handling the subject matter. I don’t know if that’s where all the backlash came from but it’s certainly my reaction, these are not the guys to be telling that kind of story.
Around the same time, I thought it would be kind of a cool idea to do a show/book/whatever about a world where the South won the Civil War, but not set in the Confederacy. Why not set it in an independent Native American buffer state? Have it be more about what would have happened if at least some of the tribes had had the opportunity to govern themselves? There could still be a Confederacy, but you could do storylines about how this nonwhite nation handles its relations with a neighbor that was explicitly founded on the idea of white supremacy. And I think it’s super unrealistic to expect that a victorious CSA circa 2020 would still have slavery. It would probably just be a somewhat more openly racist version of the modern American south. Honestly, there’s a lot of places you could go with “What if the South won the Civil War?” beyond “Modern America, but with slavery.”
Holy shit, someone needs to make an East of West adaptation.
Hickman wrote a pilot for Amazon, but it didn’t went anywhere.
Oh *damn.* Netflix…please. I’m sure the story could be told in three seasons.
It’d be interesting to show the ways that modern America would end up being similar if the Confederacy had won. Like, under international pressure, the South officially gives up slavery, but then just replaces it with a massive prison system and prison labor.
It wasn’t them who would be telling the story of Confederate. The showrunners were black, D&D would just be producers.
I don’t completely hate this take, but where I get stuck with “mediocre talent and questionable storytelling skills” is that they still made Seasons 1 – 4 of Game of Thrones, which still remain arguably the greatest tv of all time.You can very easily argue that they “lack the sufficient creative writing skills needed to finish a series without the narrative support of a more creative author’s books”, but I can’t honestly say they have mediocre talent.
Don’t engage with Dino. He’s a contrarian who likes to push nonsensical arguments by claiming not to have any actual opinion on them but certainly has a lot of “concerns”. I’ve literally seen him argued that Joann Rowling donating money to charity absolves her of her transphobia like some sort of secular indulgence.
People were calling it problematic before the shot show that was Season 6-8 of Game of Thrones. The people here were pissed that they even thought of the idea.
Yeah, did the same people think “The Man in the High Castle” was in poor taste as well? How about “The Plot Against America?” Showing that history could have turned out worse than it did is kind of a major part of alternate history stories.
Are you really comparing two seminal books, done well when serializing them, to what D&D did? Have you seen their interviews during GoT? They literally thought adding main female characters getting raped was a motivation for the character. These two idiots are in no way equipped to say anything about the experiences of Black people.
Philip K. Dick wrote High Castle even though he wasn’t Jewish.
And? I’m a massive PKD fan. I collect his first edition books actually. D&D aren’t anywhere near his level of introspection. You have to be trolling. To not realize that D&D were so disgustingly wrong, and shallow, in regards to sexual violence, that they could anyway speak or write with any intelligence regarding race.
It was the fact that you specifically said they weren’t fit to write about black people that made me bring up PKD’s being a Gentile.FYI, there was a black couple(Malcolm and Nichelle Spellman) who were set to be major creative influences behind Confederate.
I didn’t say they were not fit to write a story involving Black people just because they happen to be white. I said they weren’t equipped to do it because every interview during GoT, and after, showed they didn’t care about or understand the experiences of 50% of the human population. Making them completely unequipped to tackle anything so complex. And, yeah, Spellman? The guy who has passed as white his entire way up. Yeah, I’m going to reserve my opinions about him right now, because they’re very unfavorable, other than he’s a shit writer.
OK, but the idea that the show would’ve been bad wasn’t what I had a problem with, but the idea that the show’s concept was problematic(yes, there were plenty of people who said that).
stop arguing with the troll.
“To not realize that D&D were so disgustingly wrong, and shallow, in regards to sexual violence, that they could anyway speak or write with any intelligence regarding race.”
What does their handling of sexual violence have to do with their potential handling of race?
He was a good writer, though.
I don’t know what the show would be like (nor does anyone). I think the outrage was at the very idea – as if having a show where the Confederates won was somehow supporting them. Although your support of literary adaptations has merit. One of the very first alternate fiction stories (which PKD himself said inspired him to write The Man in the High Castle) was Ward Moore’s 1953 novella Bring The Jubilee, where modern America was still split in two. Maybe someone should adapt that.
No, the outrage wasn’t the concept. The pushback was because of the endless interviews during GoT, and after the end of it, where D&D were clueless as to how to write women, using sexual assault as a constant motivator and rushed through the last season with an excuse of, well, you know, ‘a woman scorned.’ They pushed the ‘sex sells’ aspects, far beyond what was appropriate on set, by the account of literally almost every women on set.The pushback was because they apparently give women all the agency of a frat boy and they the thought they could say anything smarter about race. They just weren’t the dudes to do it.
I remember a lot of outrage directed at the concept, people saying things like it would “normalize” slavery.
From what I saw it was more like “great, yet another narrative where Black people are milked for trauma porn.”
I don’t remember people saying that High Castle milked Jews for trauma porn.
Might have something to do with the creators not having a track record of making trauma porn the way B&B did by the end.
OK, but there were people who thought the show merely existing would be problematic, as though people couldn’t just not watch it if they found it too dark.
They thought it was a potential powder keg of irresponsibility in what was a more than usually tense time in racial relations in the US. Especially with those 2 dunder heads at the helm.
The idea that the timing was bad for that show always struck me as ironic with how often speculative fiction’s been used to examine present-day issues.
Not that it was just bad to do such a show but it was a bad idea for those 2 to do the show. David Simon didn’t have those issues when adapting the Phillip Roth novel at the same time when we were having similar flare ups with Nazis and anti-semitism b/c people more or less trust David Simon. They don’t trust “cheap thrill a minute” B&B. If Ryan Coogler or something came forward with a similar pitch it’s probably a different story.
OK, but even if it would’ve been bad I don’t seen how it would’ve been problematic.
Because you’re too busy JAQing off and would rather annoy everybody here with the same inane questions rather than do your own research. Google is free and our patience with you is thin…
Don’t engage with Dino. He’s a contrarian who likes to push nonsensical arguments by claiming not to have any actual opinion on them but certainly has a lot of “concerns”. I’ve literally seen him argued that Joann Rowling donating money to charity absolves her of her transphobia like some sort of secular indulgence.
In case you’re unfamiliar with Laserface, he frequently accuses people of being “contrarian”(or “JAQing off”) for, as far as I can tell, expressing opinions contrary to his. Also, regarding Laserface’s reply to me(he dismisses any attempt I make to reply directly), I thought we were having a rather pleasant discussion but he insists I’m “annoying” people here. I don’t know what “research” he expects me to do on this topic. Are there statistics that somehow prove Confederate would be problematic? The use of the phrase “do your own research” strikes me as particularly odd in the Covid era.
You’re trying to argue with a known troll. No amount of logic and reality will work with him.
Yeah; realized that after a bit. hard to keep track of all the nitwits around here.
And Luke Skywalker’s fondness for Jew milk is a matter of record.
Given D&D’s treatment of women when they ran GoT, that’s exactly what Confederacy would’ve been.
yeeeeep. That speech they had Sansa give about how being raped made her *stronger*…jfc. In the books, she’s not even the one all that happens to.
That and it being Benioff and Weiss who are basically Trauma Porn Inc. There’s a way to explore that concept thoughtfully, but they are definitely not on that list.
“No, the outrage wasn’t the concept.”
Yes it was. It was announced at the beginning of the second-last season, when everyone (EVERYONE) still thought GoT was great.
Look it up, fucknut.
“… where modern America was still split in two. Maybe someone should adapt that.”It’s called the news.
No the outrage was very definitely at Benioff and Weiss given their extremely shitty track record of how they handle race and sexual violence in GoT. It’s a tricky idea at best (and one that has been done before) they just seem like some of the worst people to trust with it.
Man in High Castle had Ridley Scott as an executive producer and was carried by two supporting actors Rufus Sewell and Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa. Plus the book was as much a social commentary about our world as much as an alternate history. There was a lot more talent on the table than Confederate. Plus it doesn’t help to do a story about America run by home grown white supremacists when you had a neo-nazi in the White House at the time
I think it would have been fascinating to watch and had the potential to be problematic. Which is why they hired two fantastic black creatives to be the showrunners and head creatives.And then the internet got involved, people whined, and two black writers lost an HBO job and the opportunity to really dive into racism in America, how it could have been, and how it still is…
If they’d just let HBO hire other writers to take the reigns from S5 onwards, they’d be living legends.
I really think they should have found a stopping point to end around s5 and called the series “part one.” Then in 10 years recast the whole thing (which would be a huge event itself) and make a part two series giving the conclusion the time it needed. People might actually care about the prequels in the mean time, too.
Is that assuming Martin will actually finish the books? I don’t think he will.
I think Winds of Winter will be finished, but then he’ll promptly die before Dream of Spring is even started.
Season 5 aired 6 and a half years ago and Winds of Winter’s pretend release date is now 2023 and Dream of Spring is unwritten. I don’t think 10 years is going to change anything.
Part of me wants to see just how bad that show would’ve been.
I wish, the Three-Body Problem was a smash and will be a huge project, successful or not.
Eh….the author being pro-Concentration Camp seems like it’ll be a PR nightmare if it ever actually gets filmed
Totally agree, but it’s still a huge project with a ton of the good actors from GoT attached, probably because they feel they owe B&W
You think so? Because that book was boring as hell, and I just don’t see it picking up a mainstream audience.
I didn’t read the book because the author is pro-concentration camp (pretty ironic after the confederacy show), I won’t watch the show unless like Zack Snyder it become compulsory garbage, and I hope the whole thing blows up, I’m just noting that the book was a big deal and the deal they have to make the show is undoubtedly big as well. I don’t actually care enough to check whether the season is guaranteed or if it could be cancelled after a pilot is delivered. My only point was that these guys are not exactly out on the street yet. (Benioff is also exec producing his wife Amanda Peet’s show The Chair on Netflix)
Was the book really a “big deal?” It was popular among a niche sci-fi audience, but it was hardly a blockbuster. Certainly not on the scale of Game of Thrones. And again, it’s just not that great as a story. It has interesting sci-fi ideas, but they’re not really in the service of a compelling narrative.
Just because you didn’t like something doesn’t mean it wasn’t successful or influential. If you measure everything by whether it reached Game of Thrones’ level then nothing is successful, which is kind of a Trumpian way of looking at it. The Three-Body Problem won the Hugo Award, even if I’m not planning to read it that’s a BFD.
I’m not suggesting that it’s unsuccessful because I don’t like it. I’m saying I don’t like it, and I don’t think it was all that successful in a mainstream sense. It’s well-known among a niche sci-fi audience (hence the Hugo award), but I don’t think it’s all that known to a larger audience, and I seriously doubt that a Netflix show is going to expand that audience to the degree that the show is “smash” or a “huge project.”I doubt that the show will reach the same level of quality or popularity as Foundation, and by all accounts that show is just okay.
https://gizmodo.com/netflixs-3-body-problem-announces-12-bodies-of-its-star-1847963741
Nothing there changes my mind.
“I seriously doubt that a Netflix show is going to expand that audience to the degree that the show is “smash” or a “huge project.””
Yeah, successful shows NEVER boost the popularity of the source material.
Except, you know, for ALWAYS.
The Three Body Problem was one of the best-selling science fiction novels of all time in China. It’s extremely mainstream, globally.
No. No! NO! NOOO!!!How in the blue flaming fuck are Weiss and Benioff still working in Hollywood at all?! They not only shit all the of beds, but then demanded they be celebrated for their genius “subversion” of bed shitting expectations.They couldn’t put together a coherent narrative for 23 truncated episodes, and yet—AND YET!!!—they’re gonna walk with ANOTHER bag for The Three-Body Problem?!Fucking hell…
After reading the author’s stance on Uighur detention, I hope it gets dropped.
I had someone a few weeks ago try to tell me that they were still highly sought after. I was like “yeah, no, they’re really not”.
They’re just….not very good writers.
The 25th Hour was good. So were the scenes invented as filler for the first season of Game of Thrones.
They’re certainly getting those Star Wars checks they were in a hurry to start earning
They still have that $200 million deal with Netflix.
It is kind of a classic tale of hubris, it seems like they got distracted from GoT because they had their eye on other post-GoT projects ramping up, but they fumbled the ending of GoT so badly that their stock as creators was flushed down the toilet, and a lot of the stuff they lined up has slipped through their hands (including Star Wars and Confederacy, and apparently a film based on the Lovecraft graphic novel).Ostensibly they gave up on Star Wars of their own volition because of the time commitment of their Netflix deal, but I call bullshit, they started working on Star Wars first, and you’d be crazy to give up that opportunity (it does attract some angry fans, but if B&W aren’t immunized to that, then who is). Their efforts for Netflix will pump something out eventually, there are a variety of things at some stage of production, but it’s been years now and so far all they’ve output is a standup comedy special.
That wasn’t the creators, it was Alex Graves, the dude directing the episode.
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/04/game-of-thrones-rape/361011/details details
You make me blow one of my The Atlantic free articles on a story that just confirms what I said?“the director of the episode, Alex Graves, who told Alan Sepinwall, “Well, it becomes consensual by the end, because anything for [Cersei and Jaime] ultimately results in a turn-on, especially a power struggle.”
lol sorry, that was just to underline that whoever said that B&W obviously believed it too because they were behind the change from the book
That’s certainly what a lot of rapists like to say
Between that, the various scenes where Sansa says her rape made her the StrongWoman we know her as at the end of the show, ending Brienne’s arc by having her sob in a gown over Jaime, and having Varys flat out say only men should rule Westeros, I’m starting to think Dan and Dave just maybe might not be the best at writing for or working with women!
Between that, the various scenes where Sansa says her rape made her the StrongWoman we know her as at the end of the show, ending Brienne’s arc by having her sob in a gown over Jaime, and having Varys flat out say only men should rule Westeros, I’m starting to think Dan and Dave just maybe might not be the best at writing for or working with women!
Game of Thrones is probably the most accidental success story I’ve ever heard of. The strength of the original book narrative, and the fact that the showrunners knew absolutely zero about running a show, which left the creative directors to run wild is its own book.
I’m going to start calling my batch my “intimacy pouch”.
Mine is an intimacy satchel.
Satchel LOL, Mine is a intimacy SACK!!!
not as nice, but alright, you’re Nilus, you gotta be you.
nice
That’s not how any of that works, old man!
Emilia Clarke also spoke about her experience shooting sex scenes for the book
Scenes were shot for the book? Never heard of that before.Proof-read your shit. Have some fucking pride in what you’re paid to do.
Well see what happened is that she shot sex scenes for the show, and she spoke about her experience with it to someone who was writing a book.
But then the sentence should technically be “Emilia Clarke also spoke for the book about her experience shooting sex scenes”. This ties “for the book” to “spoke” and not “shooting sex scenes”.
Sure it could be written better but it’s not as horrifically confusing as the original angry comment made it out to be.
This is actively worse.
Damn, for a second I was really looking forward to the book.
That is absolutely NOT how it should be written either lol
I’d read the novelization of that show.
TFW you misread a sentence and then insult a writer for no reason.
This reminds me of that scene in Clue where Mrs. White said that her husband threatened to kill her in public. Ms. Scarlett asked why he would want to kill her in public. Wadsworth quickly cleared this up by saying, I think she meant, he threatened in public, to kill her (then flashed an eye-roll).
From Kiss, Kiss, Bang, Bang:
Gay Perry: I want you to picture a bullet inside your head right now. Can you do that for me?Gunman: Fuck you. Anyway, that’s ambiguous.Gay Perry: Ambiguous. No, no, I don’t think so.Harry: No, I think what he means is that when you say “Picture it inside your head”, okay, is that that a bullet will be inside your head. Or picture it in your head.Gay Perry: Harry will you shut up.Harry: Well, he’s got a point.
– Well, what do we have here. Ike, Mike and Mustard.- … The fuck does that mean?- You know, I’m with him on this one, man. That’s pretty fuckin’ obscure. Love that film.
Welcome to the internet, we killed all the proof readers 20 years ago because language is meant to be free!
proof readers No more proofreaders. Effectiveness is evaluated solely through BAC.
Blood Alcohol Content? I thought Tucker Max/Maddox style interneting went out 10 years ago?
I mean, I would think the best proof of one’s proof reading abilities would be something more akin to the supposed Ballmer peak.
Pretty sure Ballmer peaked here:No idea how many drinks he’d had but he was peaking, that’s for sure.
I’d say we need a “haha” button, but I don’t want to make the Internet more Facebook.
Yeah we don’t need more FB, just give me your stars ALL OF THEM!
Thanks for reminding me that I followed Tucker Max for a solid year over a decade ago. Different times for me for sure.
Everything old is new again…
Ah damn new Tucker Max that’s exactly what we need…
If you can get past the giant a-hole that he wrote himself to be, it was actually a pretty entertaining read. The man can turn a phrase. If you knew him in real life you’d laugh as he gets kicked in the nards on a regular basis, but I’ll sheepishly admit I did enjoy the book.
I liked Joe Peacock better, tbqh, he came off as less of an asshole and could write just as well.
I’m surprised Maddox didn’t go full MAGA, he’s arguably become a better human being over the years
It should clearly be spelled with two t’s: internetting.
Proof readers have been replaced with “proof checkers”. They’re NEVER WRONG. Phewie on you for questioning them. XD
I am so fucking sick of these tired, stupid posts.It’s a blog. Not a newspapers. They don’t have editors. And if you always write perfectly and never make mistakes, well, congratu-fucking-lations, sport.The rest of us aren’t perfect and make mistakes. Also, we managed to figure out what that sentence meant from context clues, without being raging assholes about it.
You seem angry.
The copy editing around here is certainly lacking, but it’s you that most needs to learn to (proof)read in this instance.
Proof-read your shit. Have some fucking pride in what you’re paid to do.Ladies and gentlemen, this person fucking sucks. Proofread is one word, by the way.
You seem angry AND cowardly.
Maybe it’s a flip book. /s
You’re wrong lol
Have some fucking pride in what you’re paid to do.Hahahhahaha! That ship has sailed. AVC is long dead. Just in the last week there has been completely false statements and a ridiculous number of typos that aren’t even corrected. There’s no pride here, just clicks. Anything that is even a story is linked to actual news outlets and these “writers” just regurgitate it (often copyrighted work) word-for-word. They’re literally, oh, this is trending/announced, cut and paste, try to slip some snark in, done!
wtf is jaba the hut lol
Yes this is clearly the fault of the employees and not management.
Screeching about others’ professionalism, when what you’re complaining about is actually just due to your own poor reading comprehension… damn, get a clue. In an interview for James Hibberd’s oral history Fire Cannot Kill A Dragon: Game Of Thrones And The Official Untold Story Of The Epic Series,…. Emilia Clarke also spoke about her experience shooting sex scenes for the book….
The sentence is correct as-is. As a former English teacher, I encourage people who struggle with reading comprehension to reorganize the clauses of the sentence they’re struggling with, so try this: “Emilia Clarke spoke for the book about her experiences shooting sex scenes.” Make sense now? It worked for literal fourth graders, maybe it can help you too. Last word of advice: think before you comment, dipshit.
You and all the morons slamming avclub in this thread have literally no reading comprehension skills. The book was mentioned 2 paragraphs prior to the one you have a problem with.
Clarke was giving an interview to James Hibbard for his BOOK which was referenced just before. Try learning how to read with a better memory than a fucking goldfish you absolute turd nugget.
Read these paragraphs together:In an interview for James Hibberd’s oral history , Jason Momoa shared that he was pressured to take off his intimacy pouch (the fabric covering his genitals) by David Benioff. He ultimately handed it to the GOT co-creator.“[Benioff ending up holding the intimacy pouch] because David had been like, ‘Momoa, just take it off!’ You know, giving me shit,” Momoa recalled. “‘Sacrifice! Do it for your art!’ I’m just like ‘Fuck you, bro. My wife would be pissed. That’s for one lady only, man. So afterward I ripped the thing off and kept it in my hand and gave him a big hug and a handshake and was like, ‘Hey, now you have a little bit of me in you, buddy.”Emilia Clarke also spoke about her experience shooting sex scenes for the book, saying, “I was so desperate to be the most professional actor I could be that I’d be like, ‘Yeah, sure,’ for anything they threw at me. I’ll just cry about it in the bathroom later, whatever, you won’t know.”
Kinda nuts how many people are jumping into the hate train. I mean, the could have done a better job flagging that the quotes are pulled from a book, but this thread is way more an indictment of people’s reading comprehension than anything else.
oral history Fire Cannot Kill A Dragon: Game Of Thrones And The Official Untold Story Of The Epic Serieshe was pressured to take off his intimacy pouchIn an interview for James Hibberd’s , Jason Momoa shared that (the fabric covering his genitals) by David Benioff.Look, I know this ratking tangle of words is actually Kinja’s fault, but it’s really not helping you make your point either.
“oral”…ha HA!
She talked about filming the sex scenes for the book.
Sounds more like a reading comprehension problem on your end
“The book” refers to Fire Cannot Kill A Dragon: Game Of Thrones And The Official Untold Story Of The Epic Series, which was the book that the author was referring to a few paragraphs prior.Operator error, dude.
“Emilia Clarke also spoke about her experience shooting sex scenes for the book”What exactly is so hard to understand about this sentence?AVC definitely SUCKS at proofreading, but this isn’t it.
A…V…C ya later!
“Paid” is a key word here I think.
Or, you know, work on your reading comprehension and retention skills.Jason Momoa, speaking to an author of a book, told his story and, if you bothered to read, Emilia Clarke talked about filming her scenes with the same author for, get this, “the” same “book”…aka “the book”.
With “news” these days becoming just a constant race to churn out the most content that gets the most clicks and ad views, you think the people who write articles online these days are motivated by pride?Oh my sweet summer child.
It made perfect sense to me in the context of the rest of the article. Or did you just need to be right about something today?
its talking about her being interviewed for the book Fire Cannot Kill A Dragon: Game Of Thrones And The Official Untold Story Of The Epic Series . so maybe you should get better at reading comprehension ya twat.
Maybe someone made a mistake and something slipped by? Relax lol
The “for” in that sentence refers to “the book” not “shooting.” The author and her pride aren’t responsible for your inability to read or understand context.
Holy shit, the article is about a BOOK, and she spoke about her experience shooting sex scenes FOR THE SHOW to the AUTHOR OF THE BOOK. Fuck me, getting this pissed when you have dogshit reading comprehension is what’s wrong with America.
I think everyone here understood that’s what they intended to say, just that it wasn’t the best way to say it. It wasn’t reading comprehension that was lacking, just writing skill (and editing).They could have also said, “Emilia Clarke also spoke to the author about her experience shooting sex scenes for Game of Thrones.” or “The book also included Emilia Clarke’s experiences filming sex scenes for Game of Thrones.”
A writer isn’t supposed to proofread their own stuff. That’s not their job. That’s what an editor does. Send your abusive message to management, not the writer.
Read the whole article, particularly the two prior paragraphs. Have some fucking pride in your reading comprehension.
you’re WAAAAY too angry about the misuse of a comma or parenthesis. It’s…really…ok.
No no, Martin wanted to get some sex scenes for the book too! For “inspiration” and for some reason he won’t leave his room or finish the book
Calm down asshole, it’s not a thesis.
She spoke, for the book, about her experience shooting sex scenes. It’s not an error; sometimes things are ambiguous if you ignore context to dunk on writers.
She was quoted from a book about GoT. Read the article carefully before you chimp out. Have some pride!
Yara Greyjoy; who’s name sounds like someone is having a hard time clearing their throat…
Yar a Greyjoy, Harry!
Bless you!
In the books her name is Asha Greyjoy, but Games of Thrones already had an Osha (the wildling).Played by the actress who also played Tonks.
But were they OSHA compliant? (From the sound of things, I wouldn’t be surprised if they weren’t…)
Sounds like they could’ve used a little more OSHA on the set.
I really think nobody would’ve been confused, it’s not like the two would ever be in the same room together. Same with Robert(Robin) Arryn. Though the books do call him Sweetrobin so I’ll give that a pass.
What’s amazing is that they thought Asha/Osha would be confusing while having no problems with Arya/Yara as a solution.
It takes some guts to see Jason Momoa nude and decide making fun of him is the correct course of action. No smarts, but lots of guts.
It sounds like it was Benioff telling him to go nude.
Some people never learn. https://www.vulture.com/2019/04/jason-momoa-game-of-thrones-david-benioff-slap.html“Jason Momoa’s Slaps Sent Game of Thrones Showrunner to the ER”Then there’s this howler which I just want to add because I still can’t get over the sheer audacity of it all. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_(film)#Director’s_cut“There are frequent differences between The Iliad and Troy, most notably relating to the final fates of Paris, Helen, Agamemnon, Achilles and Menelaus. In one of the commentary sequences, the film’s writer, David Benioff, said that when it came to deciding whether to follow The Iliad or to do what was best for the film, they always decided with what was best for the film.”What is this I don’t evenIt certainly explains a lot about that film, none of it good.TL;DRHomer >>>>>>>>>> (x1000) David Benioff
a Dothraki slap fight without at least three ER visits is considered a dull affair
Jesus. Just listening to that slap story and what a tool. I didn’t think much of Benioff before, but now I’m convinced he’s an absolute moron. I hope Mamoa was thinking about how Benioff went all frat-boy stupid on him during that Season 1 sex scene with every slap he landed.
Listening to it now- damn, that explains so much about DnD, they are textbook Dunning-Kruger, and Dave went to Dartmouth so he was reinforced in his “can do anything” hubris. Dartmouth frats are pretty awful too, though he joined one that was formerly connected to mine, so feeling a large amount of shame here.
100% thinking the exact same thing!
You might not agree with the decisions but he’s 100% right about adaptation. You DO have to do what’s best for the movie.
I agree with you about adaptation.Obviously, too, Troy is lauded as terrible. So they didn’t do a good job making choices for the film. =D
Can you laud something as terrible?
You might not agree with the decisions but he’s 100% right about adaptation. You DO have to do what’s best for the movie.Yes, everyone agrees with that in a general sense, that’s exactly the opposite of what happened with Troy in regards to the stupid changes made to Menelaus/Agamemnon/Helen/Paris, I thought that was such a well known travesty that I didn’t have to specify it.You know, using a contemporary example to compare with, it’s like have the Merc with the Mouth, Deadpool and yet sewing his mouth up and having him mute.Oh wait, Benioff was a writer on that film too!
Yeah, it’s known. But I find that some devotees of particular texts aren’t super reasonable about their adaptations.
That’s Benoiff narrating? JFC. He sounds like such a fucking moron. Is this story supposed to make us like him, or think he’s cool, or something?
In one of the commentary sequences, the film’s writer, David Benioff, said that when it came to deciding whether to follow The Iliad or to do what was best for the film, they always decided with what was best for the film.” What is this I don’t evenI mean not to defend Benioff but I’m pretty sure any writer would say this when translating an ancient epic poem into a screenplay. All adaptation requires some compromise.
Killing Menelaus and Agamemnon and having Paris escape with Helen instead of her being returned to Greece and him being horribly killed was not it. All these specific changes were the exact opposite to making anything better. I thought this was so obviously well known that I didn’t have to specify it.You know, it’d be like having the Merc with a Mouth, Deadpool and yet sewing his mouth up and having him mute for an entire film.Oh wait, a certain D. Benioff was a credited writer on that film too!
“What is this I don’t even”That’s how movies work.
I will say I definitely prefer Hector and Achilles having a more even final match to running around the city three times and then Hector getting punked by Athena. But the other ones, yeah….
yeah, he’s not a guy to whom I’d “give shit”. He looks like he could knock somebody’s head off.
“Turns out, no matter how much money HBO has, they chose to not get an intimacy coordinator to guide them through the show’s many sex scenes.”
Yeah, why don’t we all pretend that intimacy coordinators were a common thing before MeToo.
Let’s pretend that so that we can completely non-pathetically try to dunk on Game of Thrones again. You know, because.
I think Bridgerton was one of the first big sex heavy shows to use an intimacy coordinator (or put on in such an important role) and over and over you would hear actors talk about how much better an environment than any other set they had worked on and how in the past they’d felt violated after sex scenes.
Yeah, more than ever, it’s basically choreographed like a dance and that’s good for all involved to avoid wayward grabs and what have you.
Wasn’t the David Simon HBO porn show the one that begin the practice mid production?
Wasn’t the David Simon HBO porn show the one that begin the practice mid production?The short title of David Simon HBO porn show is The Deuce.
When they realised they’d cast James Franco, noted sex scene violator?
As well as some British shows—such as Normal People. Ita O’Brien, the coordinator there, said she started in 2015 but at the time it wasn’t a particularly in demand position
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2020/05/normal-people-sex-scenes-intimacy-coordinator-interview
I think it might have actually been HBO’s own The Deuce well before Bridgerton.
A lot of this was pre-Intimacy coordinators, who really showed up around 2017-2018 (actress Emily Meade played an important role in getting HBO to adopt them for productions). Good reminder of the bad old days.
Yeah, I think intimacy coordinators are a wonderful role that should be the gold standard going forward, but this article had a bad faith approach in its portrayal of GOT as “ignoring” hiring one. The position essentially didn’t exist during filming of the show until maybe the last season, at which point it didn’t really have sex scenes anyway.
How do you become an intimacy coordinator? How does one break into that field?
Actual Answer: The expensive ones are former (or active) therapists, typically with an armload of sex specialization.
The Truth: It’s an absurdly incestuous kind of role, and media orgs are increasingly chasing the kinds of people with book deals instead of the people with active, successful practices.
Life coaches whose business went tits-up.
Make a demo reel?
You mean a zizzle reel?
Generally speaking, it is an offshoot of fight and stunt coordination merged with sex therapy. So you can approach it from the angle of a therapist, but you can also approach it from the angle of someone who has studied safely replicating violence for the screen or stage. Its a form of stagecraft like any other.
It’s one of those nebulous roles within the film industry (similar to child labor coordinators, dialect coaches, today’s covid monitors/managers, or even to a lesser extent storyboard artists and script supervisors) where you break in due to a combination of skill/credibility and “who you know.” There certainly isn’t a set application process or any specific certificates you have to have in order to qualify that I’m aware of; I think most of them come from producers or producer-adjacent people connecting with people with backgrounds in therapy, counseling, or even HR, and then offering them the role. At this point there are probably a dozen or “specialists” who have committed to essentially doing this as a career, but it’s certainly still in its early stages of infancy as far as job paths go. It’s funny how a lot of film-adjacent jobs really do boil down to unemployed-at-the-moment-but-talented people being in the right-place-right-time and available to help out a scrambling producing team
Ita O’Brien who seems to be pretty well regarded in the industry as an intimacy coordinator for a number of (mostly UK based) shows, including Normal People, got into the role as a dancer, then actor and movement coach, but she started in 2015 when the position was still relatively rare.
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2020/05/normal-people-sex-scenes-intimacy-coordinator-interview
The article sorta buries the lede.The issue isn’t really the lack of a coordinator, but the kind of shit that Benioff and Weiss asked their cast to do regardless of anyone’s actual comfort level.
this was pre-Intimacy coordinatorsExactly. Obviously GOT was a mess in regards to how they filmed sex scenes, but saying it’s because they didn’t have an intimacy coordinator is like saying that the Shirtwaist fire happened because they didn’t have Halon fire suppression.
I wonder if there’s a connection between this massively popular show being such a trainwreck in this regard and then the position becoming more widely important and prominent by the time it ended.
I don’t think the sex scenes in Game of Thrones played a big role in this. They were already getting far rarer in the latter seasons, when intimacy coordinators became the policy at HBO. Apparently it had more to do with The Deuce, which featured a ton of sex scenes.
I mean it was “pre-intimacy coordinators becoming a thing” but it really wasn’t pre-intimacy coordinators. The woman who has pioneered the role (Ita O’Brien) started teaching intimacy guidelines back in 2008. So HBO could have gotten on board a lot earlier than 2017-2018 but it seems like none of the networks cared to pre Weinstein fallout. So yea it was before it was widely adopted, but it shouldn’t have taken this long or a scandal at Weinstein’s level for HBO (and other production companies) to figure out “hey maybe we should be keeping our actors safe when shooting stuff like this”Unfortunately that seems to be the way the world works
>‘Bit of boob biting, then slap her bum and go!’,
Kind of surreal and funny. Kind of surreal and depressing.
She is terrific & Yara was a great character that the show did not horribly misuse as much as some others Apparently her character in the books was not intended by GRRM to be bisexual or pansexual so that was one touch that the show added that I’d say worked in its favor
They only added that bit as an excuse to squeeze in a lesbian sex scene don’t give them credit for that
I think it leaned toward stereotypes in a way that GRRM didn’t always. So Yara acts in a way Ironborn men valorize when it comes to war, but that doesn’t mean she’s seeking out prostitutes (instead she’s in a somewhat casual relationship with a young man known as “Qarl the Maid” for his lack of facial hair). Brienne’s POV resembles Sansa despite their physical differences, though that’s harder to convey without the POV narration of the books.
My gut reaction is DnD just figured Yara/Asha just had to be gay because she’s a warrior woman. And would have to Brienne if she wasn’t explicitly said to be in love with Renly
Even there they had her tell Podrick she was aware Renly was gay. Part of that was because Renly was more overtly gay in the show than the books (where we don’t see any private moments outside main POVs and some readers were unaware he was), but also because Brienne is less naive in the show.And it now occurs to me that one possible reason to write Yara that way was that they could then have her hook up with nameless characters played by no-name actresses optimized for HBO’s VP of Boobs that told Neil Marshall to make another such character nude in “Blackwater”.
Interesting timing – I just did a full rewatch of the series. I liked it, and overall found it more cohesive than I thought I would (still found the last bit rushed and all that). That said, I am really shocked and disgusted to hear there was no intimacy coordinator. The world they created for the viewer was already so violent towards women’s bodies even when admiringly displaying them. So irresponsible and disrespectful.
Not to defend GoT too much as I do believe intimacy co-ordinators are an improvement for the industry, but they’re a very new thing. Pretty much every sex scene you’ve seen hasn’t had an intimacy co-ordinator.
Yeah, for me it’s more their general inability to write for female characters that’s the issue, especially given that Martin CAN write women, and they ignored the source material.
What the hell is an “intimacy coordinator”? How do I get that job? Yeah now spank her; no HARDER.
I’d be like, ‘Yeah, sure,’ for anything they threw at me. I’ll just cry about it in the bathroom later, whatever, you won’t know.”…ok well that doesn’t sound….good.
Reminds me of Evangeline Lilly basically pressured into that sex scene on LOST and ready to walk away from acting after it.
Wait wait shit…what?!
So. Where do you apply a job for an Intimacy Coordinator? Does it requires CV that said your good at intimacy or watching those 80’s softcore porn? Asking for a friend.
I majored in Intimacy Studies. I’m pretty much writin’ my own ticket on Wall Street!
SO just like real sex then? 🙂
Hey, let’s do the job of the A/V Club for them. 5 seconds on Wipedia reveals this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intimacy_coordinatorWith the following tidbits: The Intimacy Directors International, a nonprofit organization founded in 2016 by Alicia RodisEmphasis added. Plus:HistoryDemand for the role grew in the U.S. entertainment industry after the 2017 Weinstein scandal and the Me Too movement highlighted the often routine nature of sexual harassment and misconduct in the industry. Actors such as Emily Meade began to demand professional safeguards for their well-being on set, noting that given the structure of power in a production, actors (particularly young, inexperienced ones) might otherwise not feel able to speak up if directors, staff members or other actors disregarded their consent or previous agreements regarding intimate scenes.[3] In 2017, the London talent agency Carey Dodd Associates fronted a campaign for an industry standard in handling scenes of intimacy using guidelines developed by Ita O’Brien.[4]In October 2018, the television network HBO adopted a policy of using intimacy coordinators for all its series and films with intimate scenes.[5] Intimacy coordinators and intimacy workshop teaching best practices for intimate scenes were also beginning to be used in London theaters as of 2018.[6]In January 2019, Netflix released Sex Education, its first production that used an intimacy coordinator, Ita O’Brien.[7]So it’s not that Game of Thrones was some irresponsible program run by jackasses who refused to hire an intimacy coordinator. It’s that the position is new and didn’t exist until recently.
HBO seems have been one of the first networks to mandate them, but even they didn’t start including them until October 2018, while GoT finished filming season 8 in July 2018. This is a deeply disingenuous and unprofessional article that is emotionally manipulating the readers based on existing dislikes for the GoT showrunners.
There’s lots of reasons to dislike them. Don’t invent reasons.
This is a deeply disingenuous and unprofessional article that is emotionally manipulating the readers based on existing dislikes The AVCLUB motto
This is a deeply disingenuous and unprofessional article that is emotionally manipulating the readers based on existing dislikesThe AVCLUB
I was already aware of that intimacy coordinators weren’t a thing until filming for season 2 of The Deuce, but that doesn’t necessarily mean Game of Thrones wasn’t “some irresponsible program run by jackasses”. GoT, like The Deuce, involved filming a lot of sex scenes, often featuring young, inexperienced actors, at least one of whom has been quoted saying she felt she couldn’t say no to filming some nudity and simulated sex scenes in the early seasons and would cry after filming them. Yeah, they didn’t refuse to hire an intimacy coordinator, but they also never intuited the need for one and they ran a set where some gross, demeaning stuff happened to actors. I’m not suggesting they were unusually bad in the pre MeToo industry, but they weren’t great, were they? And if ppl read Momoa talking about Benioff pressuring him into performing nude when he’d already repeatedly refused, are they not entitled to dislike Benioff for that? Maybe it just comes down to empathy, you feel empathy for actors in that situation, or you don’t. Lotta ppl seem to feel actors should have to put up with stuff like that.
The point is that this article is bad faith.It’s presenting them as being problematic for not hiring intimacy coordinators—when those weren’t a thing—rather than for stuff they actually did. And while it also includes a couple dodgy things from early seasons, it also doesn’t give any context to how it’s done in comparable shows and if they’re typical or atypical.
There’s no comment from Benioff, or feedback on how nudity & sex scenes were handled in later seasons to see if he learned from his mistakes (or failed to).It’s a cheap, sensational article designed to get a response from the readers who already dislike the showrunners, telling them something that feeds into an opinion they already hold for easy article engagement.
A frenzied mess with multiple individuals who appeared on that show sounds heavenly…
Instead of an intimacy coordinator, they just took a set of the novels and highlighted the sex scenes in the text with blue highlighter for the boys and pink highlighter for the girls.
Frankly I don’t think D&D should be left in charge of anything by themselves again. I mean, they waterboarded an actress for *10 hours.*
They fucking WHAT?
Yeah, you heard it right:https://gizmodo.com/god-game-of-thrones-what-the-hell-was-wrong-with-you-1846958496
I wonder if some of this was HBO just having no idea how to manage such a huge production. But then again, you have to be really stupid and callous to actually waterboard an actress for 10 hours, and DnD did other big productions like Troy and…uh, X-Men Origins?
Yeah honestly I suspect that once the series turned into a smash hit, there was *way* less supervision of what was happening on set. And they failed upward into becoming the showrunners in the first place.
The whole show was a frenzied mess after the first season.
Could have been worseThere was talk of casting Alfie’s real life sister Lily Allen in the part.
The only talk about that was bullshit from Lily Allen
What is this, Red Ships of Spain?!
To be fair, this does fit with the creators’ ethos of just telling everyone else on set to ‘just do the thing’ and letting them figure it out themselves.
Gee whiz, what a surprise. The show that decided to spice things up by adding even more rape in to make things dramatic was completely irresponsible with the actors involved!
As commented by multiple other posters, Intimacy Coordinators were not really a thing until 2017ish.Sex scenes are hard, weird, uncomfortable things to shoot (no puns intended). As a director, you’ve a million other things to be doing and really don’t have much time to spend long discussing the exact choreography and who’s comfortable with what, let alone to think about how an actor simulating a blowjob should probably have a pillow to go under their knees. Typically, it’s something like ‘hey guys, so, here’s the scene, you walk here, you go there, you kiss passionately, you unbutton this, you unzip that, then we move on to the next shot. All good with you?’ ‘I guess..’, then the production designer’s in your ear about this prop or that, the DoP’s got a frame up and needs you at the split, and the 1st AD wants to talk about the next location.
Long story short, the role of Intimacy Coordinator is fantastic, and an absolute godsend to the industry which was sorely needed. We always had stunt coordinators and such for action scenes, people with experience in safely carrying out realistic stunts who’d take the time to walk the actors through everything before doing it and work with the director to make the scene safe and good. It’s just amazing nobody every seemed to connect the dots and realise we need the same thing for intimate scenes until recently.
“‘Momoa, just take it off!’ You know, giving me shit,” Momoa recalled. “‘Sacrifice! Do it for your art!’ I’m just like ‘Fuck you, bro.”Take it off for your ARTWhat the actual fuck
Gemma Whelan was absolutely delightful in Upstart Crow. It was a completely different type of performance from her. (It’s mainly Shakespeare in this clip, they’re a little hard to find…)
Are you for real? Intimacy coordinators did not even exist until the show was nearly over. This place needs a journalism coordinator
How does one get to be the intamacy coordinator for a show?
Considering intimacy coordinators didn’t even exist before 2016 and HBO didn’t employ these before 2018 (i.e. long after any of the described scenes have been filmed), is this really surprising?
Let me guess; she’s “blowing the whistle” on the industry and wants to be the intimacy coordinator, appointed to the leadership role? XDSounds all too familiar…Also, ew
Huh, sounds just like that period from 2005-2007 when I had a girlfriend, no coordination, just a semi-frenzied mess.
It’s really funny to see how everyone’s turned on this show. It was always misogynistic to the core, with it being ridiculously well made, and the total commitment of the actors, covering things up. You all just catching up to this is kinda disturbing.
This sounds like a good reason for Benioff and Weiss to never work in Hollywood again.Also, for people who are (for some reason) defending this as “well ICs weren’t a thing at the time…” that’s really the article’s fault for focusing on the wrong problem.The lack of an IC at GoT wasn’t an issue so much as it was the people responsible for setting up the scenes didn’t give two shits about the comfort of the cast.It’s kinda like how, in hindsight, Disaster Artist (the film) downplays the sinister nature of Wiseau making Wordon film their sex scenes on an open set while also berating her appearance and performance.
I’m no prude but was there a single sex scene in that series that was integral to the story? It always seemed like a 14 year old boy wrote the teleplay. Does anyone get turned on by them? Just the fact that I know the majority of actors don’t want to do these scenes makes them creepy and awkward. Again, it seems like only teenage boys whose parents have locked them out of any computer porn content are getting anything out of these awkward interruptions to the story. Just because you can show nudity doesn’t mean you have to.
“Turns out, no matter how much money HBO has, they chose to not get an intimacy coordinator to guide them through the show’s many sex scenes. The actors were instead left to figure it all out on their own.”This is disingenuous. The use of Intimacy Directors was started with HBO’s The Deuce (which came after Game of Thrones) when one of the lead actresses asked for someone to choreograph the sex scenes, in the same way they had a fight chorographer choregraph the fight scenes. HBO told her to go find one and she did. The success of that ‘experiment’ was so successful that HBO dictated the employment of an Intimacy Director on every one of their shows from then on.This all happend after Game of Thrones.
I don’t think anyone is surprised that GoT didn’t have an intimacy coordinator. I’m glad that the practice is gaining wider appeal in the industry today. Anyway, I love Whelan and will watch or listen to anything she’s in.
I don’t think anyone is surprised that GoT didn’t have an intimacy coordinator.Given the fact that the whole idea of an intimacy coordinator only was invented after all of the described scenes here have been filmed, actually no one is surprised.
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