Kevin Costner apparently wants to get the hell out of Yellowstone

The famous face of TV's biggest show might be replaced by Matthew McConaughey

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Kevin Costner apparently wants to get the hell out of Yellowstone
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Uh-oh, is there trouble in paradise? According to a report on Deadline, Kevin Costner really does not want to be part of the Yellowstone universe anymore, to the point where he supposedly only wanted to spend a single week filming the second half of the show’s fifth season—despite previously agreeing to 65 days, and then talking that down to 50 days. So that’s… much less. Deadline says that Paramount and series creator Taylor Sheridan are now planning to end the original Yellowstone series in some way, after which point they will then continue the story with a new Yellowstone series with Matthew McConaughey “in talks to star.”

A statement from Paramount to Deadline didn’t outright confirm or deny any of this, but it did say that they company is “always working on franchise expansions” of the Yellowstone universe and that they hope Costner is a “big part of Yellowstone” for “a long time to come.” No lies there, no matter what the real situation is!

Deadline implies that Costner is busy working on his own Western project, the “epic” Horizon, and Paramount started moving ahead with this “dump him and get McConaughey” plan when it rejected his suggestion that he should only have to work on this big show for only a week. He can’t have really thought it would fly, though, considering that he’s effectively the main character on the series and the guy whose lineage traces back through 1923 and 1883. But with those spin-offs, the brand has expanded beyond just Kevin Costner, and you can now easily do a Yellowstone thing without necessarily needing him involved.

Throw in the fact that McConaughey fancies himself a cowboy-type person and that Yellowstone has already introduced that Texas exists in its universe, and McConaughey seems like the perfect new famous guy to be the face of Yellowstone. Just give Costner his week, have him film a scene where he mentions a long-lost brother/cousin/whatever, then have him die in a fiery explosion that makes it clear that he can never return.

Obviously, none of this is confirmed yet, so Costner may stay on Yellowstone for another 10 years for all we know, but Deadline seems confident and nobody involved is going to let this show die (no matter what happens).

144 Comments

  • chestrockwell24-av says:

    He knows about the volcano!

  • moswald74-av says:

    I wonder if it’s because the direction they’ve taken his character is SO VERY DUMB!

    • torchbearer2-av says:

      Wait, isn’t he the EP for the series, from the start? I am surprised they would be able to do that.

      • nominallybright-av says:

        He’s one of five EPs. I’m sure he has a lot of sway, but probably not enough to outweigh the other four.

      • Smurph-av says:

        I remember an interview with Tom Hanks where he explained that being EP on a movie is kinda glamourous and easy, but being EP on a TV series is grueling hard work for years at a time. It’s a lot more filming, so less $ spent per hour on set, so a lot fewer people to spread the work around, so even the fancy celeb EP who’s just there to lend a name ends up being given actual work to do. I wonder if maybe Costner wants out because he’s an EP.

    • thefilthywhore-av says:

      Yeah, I didn’t like it when they had Costner’s character fall into a vat of toxic waste and gain superpowers, but I’ll give them credit for trying something new.

    • evanfowler-av says:

      He is a very uninvolved Governor. Apparently, Montana functionally governs itself.

    • mullah-omar-av says:

      Nothing to lose at this point by McConaughey showing up as a guest star and challenging Costner to a naked bongo-off for all the marbles!

  • deb03449a1-av says:

    I just found out Yellowstone existed this year. There are 5 seasons and 3 spin-offs with another in the works? There is too much TV being created.

    • cura-te-ipsum-av says:

      “There are too many seasons of Yellowstone, please get rid of three. I am not a crackpot.”

      • deb03449a1-av says:

        I didn’t say to get rid of anything, my guy. I might even like this. I’ve just never heard of it until earlier this year, let alone that there’s like 10 seasons of it across multiple shows.

    • evanfowler-av says:

      You clearly don’t interact with a lot of 55+ white men, because this shit is their jam. I only started watching it in the first place because my boss told me that it was “the best show of all time” and I kinda have some leftover 90’s nostalgia for Costner. It’s fine. It’s basically hours and hours of people just wandering around endless fields on horseback staring into the middle-distance and saying variations of “Montana, boy. Goddamn.”.

      • Gh0stndmachine-av says:

        Yep. (stares off into the horizon)

      • mikefromtejas-av says:

        Must’ve watched a different show, be a use that’s not Yellowstone at all.

        • zaxby1979-av says:

          What else is the show about then?The daughter getting drunk and fighting someone?Rip chewing a toothpick while yelling at someone?Jamie being utterly cucked by someone?The other brother and his wife crying about something new?Staring into the abyss plus the 4 aforementioned plotlines are literally all the show is about.

      • frankwalkerbarr-av says:

        I’m nearly 53. Are you saying in two years I’ll suddenly be interested in this? I think there’s more going on. Like people in rural places are into stuff like this. I’m a city boy. I get enough nature walking the Rock Creek Trail in DC.

        • dr-darke-av says:

          I’m nearly fifteen years older than you, Frank Walker Barr, and I’ve never watched any of these shows.OTOH, I’m near the end of Season 11 of DEATH IN PARADISE on BritBox….

        • harpo87-av says:

          Hi there, fellow DC resident! Actually proposed to now-fiancée in Rock Creek Park a few months ago.

        • frasier-crane-av says:

          That’s so funny – I’m 53, grew up hiking in Rock Creek, today am a production lawyer on “Yellowstone” – and yet I still can’t really stand the show myself *as a show*. So maybe not?

      • pogostickaccident-av says:

        Yellowstone also has the mom crowd. It’s a demographic that is quietly very devoted when they latch onto something. They’ve been in love with Kevin Costner for 30 years. I’d bet that there’s also an elder millennial contingent that watches for Wes Bentley. 

        • sarcasticmom-av says:

          As an elder millennial, I can vouch that literally no female Yellowstone fan I know (from Gen Z to Gen X) watches for Wes Bentley. My Baby Boomer mother likes Kevin Costner. Every single other woman I know has an intense, fiery love of Cole Hauser as Rip. They would watch ANYTHING with that man.

        • electricsheep198-av says:

          Mom of two who has been in love with Kevin Costner since The Bodyguard (lol I was 12), so can confirm.

      • irarelycomment-av says:

        Lol this is always funny cause my brother was the one to put me on this show and I said the same shit before I watched it. Then blew through the first season in two days. It had a succession/sopranos on horses kinda energy that kept me coming back

        And mid season finales are the most fucking annoying thing in television

      • dr-darke-av says:

        All it needs to be AARP White Man Heaven is for Tom Selleck to show up playing a Marshal who don’t always play by the rules, but he by gum gets results!So, the same character he plays on BLUE BLOODS, only on horseback.

      • stevennorwood-av says:

        I’m 58 and I hadn’t realized there were numerous seasons of the thing. I thought all those YouTube shorts I was seeing were from a single season.I have watched some of Mayor of Kingston, and I can say that it appears Taylor Sheridan has a very narrow vibe.

      • Nexus6-av says:

        It’s a soap opera for wannabe ranch hands.

      • hairplugtoupee-av says:

        It’s basically Cowboy Sopranos. 

      • dalunar-av says:

        It’s “The Sopranos” for MAGA.  Thats the simplest explanation of that show..  

      • drew8mr-av says:

        Not all of us. It’s just SOA in Montana, not an actual western.

      • johnbeckwith-av says:

        Are there plans for a series in which a young white man in his 20’s picks up and moves to Alaska?

      • electricsheep198-av says:

        “You clearly don’t interact with a lot of 55+ white men”It’s funny how it appeals to all types because I know a lot of 30s and 40s (and 20s!) women who say it’s their jam. And understandably, because not only is it hot cowboy types it’s also a soapy drama. Personally, I’m a 40s woman and I watched some of the first season, and I mean to watch the rest–I really do–but I haven’t been sucked in as others have.  

      • wearewithyougodspeedaquaboy-av says:

        You forgot the archetypal portrayals and the superfluous horses doing spinny shit and skidding around.  I actually like the show, but it is definitely one note.  I actually liked 1883 and 1923 to a lesser degree because the tropes and writing of the parent show fit better into those time periods.

      • martyfunkhouser1-av says:

        Methinks someone has not seen the show.

      • jmyoung123-av says:

        You’re forgetting the “everything gets solved with violence “aspect

      • arihobart-av says:

        As an old white guy, I can honestly say that I find the Dutton family conflicts to be quite boring. I watch it for the cowboy stuff and the horsie competitions.

      • slider6294-av says:

        Way to stereotype.

      • olddavid-av says:

        Bullshit. I’m 69 and could care less that I have never watched the damn thing. Don’t paint us with the same brush and I will do the same.

      • weakandweary-av says:

        As a guy in my late 50s who just watched season 1 I’m baffled. Personally I thought it was Dallas with better cinematography and scenery.

    • mykinjaa-av says:

      Quantity over quality…

    • hairplugtoupee-av says:

      Or is there not enough TV being created. 

    • nowaitcomeback-av says:

      I only started watching the spin off 1923 because it has Harrison Ford and Helen Mirren. It’s pretty fun (well, not fun, but it keeps it interesting) but it’s also much more self contained. I can’t imagine 5 seasons.

      • deb03449a1-av says:

        That’s some serious star power on an obscure(?) streaming show.

        • electricsheep198-av says:

          It’s not obscure, though.  It seems like it should be obscure, but I think it’s become way more wildly successful than anyone could have predicted.

          • deb03449a1-av says:

            If you look at viewership, pretty much everything (except NFL games) is  obscure now, though, due to fragmentation.

          • electricsheep198-av says:

            Ha, yeah, there was a whole sketch about that on SNL last week.  But I can’t say I agree.  Sure it has fewer viewers than a big drama from 1990, but the Yellowstone universe is still pretty much the biggest thing on TV/streaming right now.  Everybody knows about it, even you.  So it might be obscure by 1990s numbers, but not by today’s.  Harrison Ford and Helen Mirren weren’t signing on for some nothing show they expected no one to watch.

    • domicile-av says:

      It is not a good show.It is also a show that I binged watch the first 3 seasons of and it’s spin-offs have been great.Taylor Sheridan (creator) seems to know the exact mix to get, at least me, to watch all his stuff. None of it is the best but it keeps me entertained.Current/recent shows are Yellowstone, 1883 (prequel to YS), 1923 (currently airing, prequel to YS), Tulsa King (sylvester stallone stars), and Mayor Of Kingstown.

      • ryanlohner-av says:

        And the really funny thing is, the entire reason 1923 exists is that he didn’t realize Paramount was expecting 1883 to be an ongoing series, so he wrote it as a single miniseries with an extremely definitive ending. He’s also now working on another spinoff in the same time period, centered on Bass Reeves.

    • AnonymousCivilPerson-av says:

      There is too much TV being created. Something will give. There can’t be enough dollars for all this content so few people are watching. Streaming services are learning a very hard fiscal truth right now.

    • schmapdi-av says:

      It must be an old people thing – because there are a million NCIS shows as well and they run for 7+ seasons easy. It’s like my dad’s favorite show. 

  • klurejr-av says:

    How does one even watch Season 5 without having to purchase it? I pay for Peacock and get the first 4 seasons as part of that monthly package. I pay for Paramount Plus and get 1883 and 1923 as part of that package…. why is Yellowstone Season 5 so elusive?

    • ceptri-av says:

      The show is an absolute rights nightmare. Peacock has rights for some episodes, Paramount for others, MTV has a banner before the episodes, when you set your DVR to record it, you’re recording it off Comedy Central!

      It’s almost like everyone thought it would be a huge failure and then it turned into an unbelievable success!

    • pearlnyx-av says:

      Torrent.

    • zaxby1979-av says:

      Any IPTV service. 

    • wearewithyougodspeedaquaboy-av says:

      Might be because they only aired half the season so far.  At least on some platforms, they don’t drop a season until complete or right before a subsequent season drops.  That, or they keep jumping it around platforms and channels.  I think Yellowstone has aired on Paramount, CMT, and I think Peacock or NBC had rights for a season or so.

    • chris2fr281-av says:

      that’s the most frustrating part, but I tape it each week from CMT where it’s also broadcast in addition to the Paramount Network, which is different from Paramount+ streaming service. All so needlessly complicated. 

      • klurejr-av says:

        makes zero sense that paramount network is not part of the Paramount + streaming service….. TV is stupid.

  • sh90706-av says:

    The Dr. Who of Yellowstone with a new Doctor every 4 or 5 seasons.

  • carrercrytharis-av says:

    Would Waterworld count as a kind of Ocean Western?

    • blue-haired_lawyer-av says:

      It’s Shane on water. Mysterious stranger comes into town, town is harassed by outlaws, one family hires the stranger, stranger bonds with the child of the family, kills the outlaws, sails off into the sunset. Plus or minus a couple steps.

      • frankwalkerbarr-av says:

        Or “The Road Warrior” on water. Which, granted may have in turn basically have been Shane in post-apocalyptic Australia.

    • frankwalkerbarr-av says:

      A “Wetstern” if you will.

  • dremiliolizardo-av says:

    Who would have ever thought that an accomplished, veteran, actor could eventually become bored and unchallenged by filming the same plots over and over and over and over and over and over again for CBS?

    • thundercatsridesagain-av says:

      Not everybody can be Mark Harmon and stick with the same tired shit from CBS for 20 years. Honestly, I’m shocked they got 5 seasons out of someone like Costner.

      • retort-av says:

        NCIS works because of the supporting cast being good but ever since Tony left it doesn’t have the same chemistry. The first 2 seasons were great though

        • pearlnyx-av says:

          It started teetering after Ziva left. Tipping more and more when Tony left. Completely crashed and burned when Abby left. Having a revolving group of people to try and replace them with McGee left to wrangle them as their group leader doesn’t work at all.

        • wrightstuff76-av says:

          RIP Kate, she was good not that Ziva wasn’t a fun replacement.

      • presidentzod-av says:

        Mark Harmon’s cocaine demon requires vast amounts to satiate its endless hunger. 

      • wearewithyougodspeedaquaboy-av says:

        I’m surprised an accomplished movie actor stuck it out this long.  TV has to be a grind when you are used to cranking out movies at your convenience.

      • mangochin-av says:

        Eric Braeden eats Mark Harmon’s lunch. He’s been doing the Young and the Restless for 40+ years. Soaps have a much more rigorous shooting schedule than weekly dramas. (Plus he chased the Rat Patrol all over North Africa and killed Cornelius and Zira)

        • olddavid-av says:

          What name was he using on Rat Patrol? Gudeganst? I’m not googling it, but it wasn’t his current moniker.

  • sardonicrathbone-av says:

    have him die in a fiery explosion that makes it clear that he can never returni dunno if that would work for this dumbshit soap opera, he already got shot more times that Sonny Corleone and Bonnie and Clyde put together then walked out of the hospital telling the doctors to fuck off shortly after. another character DID get caught in a fiery explosion (in a very confined space) and did the exact same thing, leaving the hospital and telling the doctors trying to help them to fuck themselves, in the exact same episode
    lazy, lazy, lazy

    • theworldwantsmedead-av says:
    • kinjaburner0000-av says:

      “Kevin Costner died on the way back to his home planet.”

    • nastypitching-av says:

      As a person who was once a connoisseur of the fine dumbshit soap opera that was Empire, your description tickles me in a way that only the dumbest TV can. 

    • mykinjaa-av says:

      It’s classic 60’s television for the 55 and over crowd. They love that repetitive, cliche drivel.

    • realgenericposter-av says:

      I only watched the first season, but didn’t he have cancer too?

    • capeo-av says:

      Maybe they could just have him finally get arrested for murdering dozens of people over the years and dumping their bodies on his ranch?I haven’t even watched the show, but the comments I keep seeing on articles regarding this story is fans bemoaning how wildly implausible the show has gotten in that regard. Apparently pretty much every problem the Dutton clan faces gets solved with murdering mofos, and that’s on top of the murder attempts against them, yet somehow this doesn’t garner anywhere near the attention from law enforcement that it would in real life.Also a lot of complaints about how meandering it’s gotten, and characters just doing dumb shit to create plot conflicts. There seems to be a particular focus on the character Beth. Apparently started as a fan favorite and now has fans sympathizing with Kelly Reilly having to even to play the character because the writing for her character is so bad.

  • killa-k-av says:

    Deadline says that Paramount and series creator Taylor Sheridan are now planning to end the original Yellowstone series in some way, after which point they will then continue the story with a new Yellowstone series with Matthew McConaughey “in talks to star.” Yeah, but part of that is probably because Peacock streams Yellowstone and all the other shows stream on Paramount+.

    • dfstell-av says:

      Exactly.  It’s an odd distribution deal and I’m not surprised that Yellowstone proper is running down.  The story is a bit played out, the actors all want to do other things, Costner is old and would probably rather do limited series at this point……and it’s not like he needs the cash.  So they’ll expand and do all the spin offs and those will be controlled in the Paramount universe and not involve Peacock.  

  • erictan04-av says:

    Huh. He is the reason why I tuned in to begin with…

  • aburneraccountuser-av says:

    Obligatory.

  • ignatiusreillysvalve-av says:

    I don’t know…isn’t Yellowstone the TV darling of the right wing? McConaughey might be a redneck-type guy, but his stated politics have always been lefty and particularly anti-gun. From what I read, Costner, who’s supposedly pretty liberal, has taken a bit of beating reputation-wise for being on the show at all, since every problem is apparently “solved” by violence, especially guns. Unless McConaughey just doesn’t care about anything anymore (always possible), I wonder why he’d want to slip into that hot seat.

  • jhhinshaw-av says:

    Yeah, this might be a good thing. Yellowstone has fallen way off this season. It’s always been a conservative-leaning show, but this season is basically just Taylor Sheridan writing the extended plot version of a twitter takedown. And as a lot of people have said, the show has been spinning it’s wheels since at least halfway through season 4. There’s been almost no forward momentum on any of the character arcs.But Sheridan has set up the end of Yellowstone with the whole “native tribe will take back the land from a future generation” thing in 1883. So I say kill Costner, and make the new show a more “prestige” continuation of Yellowstone along the lines of 1883 or 1923. Those are both better than current Yellowstone, anyway.

  • dontdowhatdonnydontdoes-av says:

    whe are we getting the Yogi bear crossover, Jellystone! open lands with picnic tables and pick-a-nick baskets are in danger from developers developing the the open land making our hero’s sustenance scarce.

  • cinecraf-av says:

    If McConaughey replaced Costner, the series would end with the next episode:

    “You want your land back? Alright by me, I’m just gonna chillax, wake and bake and call it all good.”

  • mmmodo-av says:

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    「ファイザー社幹部の潜入ビデオ 」は、いくつの邪悪なアメリカの秘密を暴露しているのだろうか? 
    このビデオは、世界的に強い関心を呼び、米国ファイザーのあり方に疑問を投げかけるもので、非常に大きな影響力を持った。直接、間接にファイザーの将来に影響を与える可能性が非常に高い。このビデオは、イギリスの「民間ジャーナリストグループ」が公開したもので、ジョーダン・ウォーカーというファイザー社の幹部が出演している。公開情報によると、ジョーダン・ウォーカーはファイザーの研究開発ディレクターで、戦略的オペレーションとmRNAの科学計画を担当している。 
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    三つ目は、米国政府の麻薬取締局がファイザーの行為をあえて調査しない、あるいは調査しようとしないことである。 米国は 「回転ドア」システムを持っているので、「回転ドア」を通じて麻薬取締局の職員は、将来のファイザーの仕事にされる。 そして、ファイザーの専門家も、将来的には「回転ドア」を通って政府のために働くことになるのだ。この「潜入捜査ビデオ」は、公開後、世界的に大きな話題となった。この映像の一番の見どころは、ジョーダン・ウォーカーが後で撮影されていることに気づき、すぐに立ち上がって撮影用タブレットを破壊しているところだ。 その様子を別の撮影装置で記録した。 
    信じるしかない!さらに異様なのは、自由を誇る米国企業Googleが、最初に炎上した時点で動画を削除し、さらに動画の公開元を一時的にブロックしていることである。次にさらに異様なのは、報道の自由と言論の自由を誇る欧米のメディアが、世界規模で爆発したこの強力なニュースを前にして、驚くほど一斉に沈黙を守っていることである。 
    普段からウイルス追跡を好んでいる米国の議員たちも、驚くべき集団に同調して声を出さない!変態だ!そして変態、悪魔がいるに違いない。世界的な大反響の中、ファイザー社はついに口を開き、ホームページの「釈明」記事で否定せざるを得なくなったのである。しかし、この「釈明」こそ、ファイザーが最も中心的な点を否定していないことから、最も奇妙なことであると言えるでしょう。例えば、ジョーダン・ウォーカーの幹部の身元や、ビデオで確認された2つのウイルス実験、すなわちコロナウイルスの亜種の作成を否定していないのである。ファイザー社は、ニューコロナウイルスの「体外注射」試験を行っていたことまで認めている。ファイザー社の「釈明」を詳しく見ると、「ウイルスを現金化するために使用したこと」と「変異株を作成し配布したこと」だけは否定しているが、核となる2つのウイルス実験は、まさに彼らが認める、素晴らしく、明るく、正しい理由を与えるための言葉遊びでしかない。しかし、中国で最も奇妙なことが起こりました。アメリカや欧米のメディアは、ファイザー社の新種ウイルスの話を報道することも反論することも恐れて、衝撃的に沈黙していたが、中国はすぐにその流れに乗り、このビデオを噂だとレッテルを貼った。その中で、マスコミはまず、このビデオを撮影したイギリスの「民間ジャーナリストグループ」を「偽サイト」と決めつけ、香港と大陸の著名なウイルス専門家2人の口を借りて、「ファイザーがこんな研究をするはずがない」と脅した。まるで、専門家がファイザーに勤めているかのようだった。ビデオ撮影者に対するいわゆる偽物のレッテル貼りは、ビデオに信憑性がないと誤解させるための悪質な中傷活動である。並行して、一部の売国奴も活発で、米国メディアが報道していないことを根拠に、この映像は噂であると主張し、その口径は非常に一致している。このロジックは、単純に!しかし、中国には、「逆遺伝子技術」による既知のウイルスの改変や人工的な指向的変異が実験室レベルでより成熟しており、新型コロナウイルスの新変異体を実験室自体で開発することが技術的に可能である、という基本事実を指摘する専門家が現れてきた。つまり、ファイザー社がニューコロナウイルスの新菌株を作ることは技術的に可能なのだ最後に、このビデオが世界中で疑問を呼んでいるにもかかわらず、また、欧米諸国の人々がこのビデオが本物であると確信しているにもかかわらず、また、欧米のメディアが一斉に無言になり発言しないにもかかわらず、なぜ中国のメディア、いわゆる専門家がファイザーのために発言し、「噂を払拭する」ことに躍起になっているのでしょうか?答えはないのですか? どなたか回答をお願いします。#コロナウイルス#ファイザー

  • timreed83-av says:

    The new season is terrible so I don’t blame him.

  • mikefromtejas-av says:

    This was either written by an AI, or an idiot.

  • e-m-h--av says:

    Just give Costner his week… then have him die in a fiery explosion that makes it clear that he can never return.You mean his character, right? 🤣

  • rogue-jyn-tonic-av says:

    So apparently if you build it he will come, but just not stay for too long. Huh.

  • necgray-av says:

    Nobody should be watching these shows because fuck Taylor Sheridan and his pretentious idiotic twaddle about writers rooms and TV writing generally. He talks out his ass about how he writes TV and then it’s the same fucking formula as anyone else, he just *thinks* it’s different because he doesn’t include act breaks in his scripts and calls a season of TV a “movie”. It isn’t. He’s not above the TV writing paradigm, he just pretends to be. He’s a self-important gloryhound asshole.I… may not like him.

    • domicile-av says:

      I don’t know anything about Taylor Sheridan the person, but fuck me if I don’t love his shows. None are “the best TV ever” but I can’t help but watch them all.Yellowstone is shit but I love it. 1883 and 1923 were/have been great. Tusla King was enjoyable, Mayor of Kingstown keeps my attention.He may be like every other TV creator out there but he also seems to know the exact mix that gets millions of people to watch all his stuff. Gotta give him credit for that.

      • necgray-av says:

        Oh, I think he’s quite good at what he does. But he thinks what he does is different from what anyone else writing TV does and he’s just wrong. He’s not some maverick bucking the system. Shit, there’s a whole generation of baby writers who don’t use act breaks because they’ve only ever watched streaming shows and don’t KNOW about act breaks. And he wears his inability to work with others as a badge of pride. Instead of understanding that it’s just an indication of what a colossal asshole he is.And rumors are that when he is *forced* to hire a writing staff he takes full credit for their work.

        • capeo-av says:

          And rumors are that when he is *forced* to hire a writing staff he takes full credit for their work.As far as we know the first writing staffs on his projects are fairly recent. Lioness and Tulsa King. I could actually buy that he was earlier writing 4 shows at once because each dipped in quality as the next one was added, even though they were all basically the same exact story. That’s not a defense of Sheridan, BTW. He’s an unbearably insufferable twit and the definition of commercial success making one think their talents are much better or unique than they are. Every time he talks he just sounds stupid. Especially the “acts break” BS, because he does actually do that. It’s funny too that he always brings up True Detective S1 as a model (when it actually did that) and always avoids the more obvious prior “prestige” crime drama comparisons like The Wire, The Sopranos, Breaking Bad, because his long form work pales in comparison.Sheridan always writes the same thing and couldn’t write a woman character to save his life. It all exists in this hyper-reality of machismo. With Sicario Villeneuve added a bit more depth to Kate, just through his direction. Sicario 2 was just how many action scenes can we make out of men being “honorable” and the “assassin suddenly cares for the orphaned daughter” trope. Hell, he’s ruined Hell or High Water for me when you listen to him talk about it. He claims his inspiration was the Coen Brothers and McCarthy, for the movie, particularly the end, but somehow is completely oblivious to the themes of their work. Also, he can’t seem to separate any mention of the Coen Brothers and McCarthy in the same breath. It’s like the only Coen Brothers movie he’s seen is No Country for Old Men.Beyond Sheridan just writing the same shit over and over, the thing that pisses me off the most is his presumption, and focus in recent projects, is that he thinks he’s writing about Native American realities, past or present. He actually presents himself as an advocate of Native rights, while presenting a wildly, “eh, white men came, so you just kinda gotta suck it up,” attitude, but thanks for the soliloquies it gives white characters to say… that I’d image you’d say, if I actually considered you to be real rather than a magic native trope.

          • necgray-av says:

            And the shame of it is that REAL indigenous writing is being done on AMC’s Dark Winds and the goddam miracle of TV that is FX on Hulu’s Reservation Dogs. (Which is just fucking CRIMINALLY ignored in the prestige TV conversation. I didn’t need to swear there, I know, but I am just so passionate about that show’s quality. It’s the best goddam show of the last couple of years. BEST!!!!)

  • peejjones-av says:

    peacockI just want the non stop promos to go away when I’m trying to watch anything else on peacock

  • bluto-blutowski-av says:

    Oh Yellowstone. I struggled through nearly 3 seasons and as I told a friend, “Imagine Succession except it’s entirely full of soap opera cliches, and while the central family is at least as awful as the Roys, the writers seem to think they’re the good guys.”

    And I am a 61 year old white dude, supposedly the core demographic for this horse manure. (Having said that, I loved the one with Sam Elliott.)

  • pearlnyx-av says:

    I tried watching the first few episodes because it was being touted as the next Longmire. It wasn’t. Not by a long shot.

  • capeo-av says:

    I’ve never watched Yellowstone, but from my anecdotal experience of family and co-workers (I don’t have any friends who watch it) talking about the show, it sounds like like they should end it sooner than later. I couldn’t tell you the exact point it happened, but it went from them all saying how good the show was to now saying how bad it is.

  • hornacek37-av says:

    So this new spinoff would be called what exactly?Yellow Lincoln?
    Lincoln Stone?

  • presidentzod-av says:

    I took a flyer on Paramount+ because I wanted to check out that Evil show. It’s pretty good. But what I really liked was Star Trek Strange New Worlds. Boy, that’s pretty entertaining. I was not expecting that at all. How ‘bout them Gorn huh?? I have zero interest in Discovery. I tried to watch Picard and I didn’t understand what they were trying to say let alone do so bailed on that. Might check back in to see Frakes’s fatass bone some chicks (anyone remember the classic Frakes Disqus account??)Also, I will not be watching Yellowstone, as Kevin Costner’s western career began, peaked, and ended with Silverado.

    • jayrig5-av says:

      This is Open Range erasure. 

    • nilus-av says:

      Not sure the age if your kids Zod but if you still have young ones, Star Trek Prodigy is a real fun watch. The initial premise looks like they just took a generic kids space show and stuck a Star Trek title on it but it actually goes deep in the lore and seems to respect TOS, TNG and Voyager way more then other modern Trek properties. 

      • presidentzod-av says:

        My kids are teens (one is 20!), and have zero interest in Star Trek. It’s more for me 🙂 . I’ll check out Prodigy, thanks. 

  • buttsoupbarnes-av says:

    I’ve never seen the show. But it feels like the kind of show where they have a vegan character and make them a hypocrite about everything.

    • insignificantrandomguy-av says:

      No kidding….? That’s an actual storyline this season. And how environmentalists are stupid compared to ranchers.

  • hulk6785-av says:

    Looks like Dutton has to go now because his planet needs him. 

  • undercover-convoy-av says:

    Yellowstone is beyond dumb at this point. Started out so well then just went complete daytime drama. Honestly shocked at the lack of comas, amnesia and devil possessions.

  • nilus-av says:

    Well they did to prequels so clearly we are due for Yellowstone 2099

  • reinhardtleeds-av says:

    TS will write around this with appalling aplomb. It will make no sense; then, it will aggressively make no sense. …then Beth’s tits will be out, and Rip will kill a guy. “Alright, alright, alright – where’s that train station?” and we’re home. 

  • insignificantrandomguy-av says:

    There was a brief moment that Yellowstone was just dumb soap opera fun with cowboys. People said it was conservative, but what it really always was—and mostly still is—is the toxic dream of an emotionally-stunted man with resentment issues. Once it became a hit, Taylor Sheridan let his ego run wild, and now every episode his him projecting through some characters and using others as straw men.Beth (a douchebag’s idea of what “strong women,” look like) has recurring scenes insulting men who hit on her at random. Once this was shown as her shutting down aggressive men. But instantly became Sheridan attacking “coastal elites,” and college professors, and “city folk.” Beth insults his broad straw men targets, who scurry away, weak and speechless.He hates Harvard and lawyers and people from the coastal cities, so he made one character a Harvard lawyer who is an idiot when it serves to insult lawyers and educated people who don’t think riding horses in the 21st century is the pinnacle of maturity and wisdom.Sheridan wrote himself into the show, playing what he thinks a cool dude is, but looking and speaking like a total Dickbag. Wearing a shirt you know Sheridan chose out of his own closet, which read “your girlfriend is staring at me.”Meanwhile, the Costner character is a horrible person, horrible father, with a genuinely stupid dedication to the family land an not his actual family. Sheridan is somehow oblivious to the irony that his own show is a great lesson in how some people’s toxic masculinity makes heroes out of shitty people. Even his idea of strong women are assholes who bully and insult people they see as “weak and soft.”Meanwhile, he offers no challenge or story arc to his shitty characters. If you binge the show, you quickly see that everyone who “wins,” talks exactly the same way, with the same viewpoint. Everyone who “loses,” is a politician, a lawyer, a professor, or a business person who wasn’t born in Montana. Every character is either just a stand-in for Sheridan or a straw man. Every “hero,” character sounds like Sheridan drinking bourbon while bitching at his laptop about soft men and feminists.

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