Kevin Feige says one Age Of Ultron moment convinced him to give Jeremy Renner’s Hawkeye his own show
Marvel Studios boss Kevin Feige says his love of Christmas stories and the "you're an Avenger" scene inspired Disney Plus' Hawkeye
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The first two episodes of Disney+’s Hawkeye are coming to the streaming service next week, and Marvel Studios boss Kevin Feige decided to celebrate the impending launch of the show during a press conference by revealing why, exactly, he felt the need to finally give Jeremy Renner’s Clint Barton a solo (well, solo-ish) superhero adventure.
As it turns out, it’s all because of two things that Feige really likes: stories set on or around Christmas and the scene “you step out that door, you are an Avenger” scene in Avengers: Age Of Ultron. Feige appreciates the inherently heightened emotions and conflicts of the holiday season, and so he said he’s always looking for opportunities to do things with that.
He’s a big supporter of the argument that Iron Man 3 is a Christmas movie (even though it came out in the summer, as he noted during the press conference), and he said Marvel’s original plan was to release the still-upcoming Guardians Of The Galaxy Holiday Special long before Hawkeye ever came out.
The decision to set the show during Christmas also set up the existence of the Hamilton-esque Captain America musical teased in the trailers, which director Rhys Thomas says was originally pitched as a joke. Feige realized that seeing a show tangentially about him would be a good justification for getting Clint and his family in New York during the holidays, though, and now the extremely silly Rogers musical is a minor plot point.
As for why Hawkeye deserves a show, Feige said that he really just wanted more Jeremy Renner, but the thing that made him first realize that Hawkeye could carry a solo story was the aforementioned Age Of Ultron scene. Feige said it’s one of his favorites in the MCU (which is saying something, since it’s one of only two or three really good scenes in that entire movie), and it convinced him that a whole story could be hung on the kind of mentor/mentee relationship that Clint developed with Wanda in that moment.
Also during the press conference, Vera Farmiga (who plays the mother of Hailee Steinfeld’s Kate Bishop) revealed that she is actually a trained archer, and Tony Dalton (who plays a version of Jacques Duquesne, a.k.a. the Swordsman) used to be a fencer. Dalton and Renner also offered somewhat-suspiciously canned “I have no idea what you’re talking about” responses to a question about either of them eventually wearing their head-to-toe purple comic book costumes (they literally said it at the exact same time), so… take from that what you will.
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I get Renner may suck as a person, but he is a good actor, and does a fine job when they give he the space and dialogue, as seen in AoU, Civil War, and Endgame.
I think it’s very underrated how he manages to tell Wanda what she needs when she’s having a crisis in order to bring her onboard because those moments are pivotal (without her – everything could fail). So that really does make him more important than just the guy who shoots arrows.
Why exactly does Renner “suck as person?” Did I miss something? Aside from his awful band?
You have to lead with that when you talk about anyone these days. Just in case.
He allegedly pointed a gun at his wife and talked about wanting to kill her on multiple occasions. Also has said a fair amount of things that pissed people off.
Just read up on that. I don’t see anything saying he pointed a gun at anyone, other than himself, according to a former friend. There were also other friends/acquaintances who said Renner said their daughter be better off without her or even both of them. The courts didn’t find these allegations credible though. Not that that necessarily means they were untrue. Renner has a lot of money to throw at top lawyers. It does draw a picture of a volatile person with untreated substance abuse and mental health issues though. I hadn’t actually heard about any of that before. Looking it up now it’s basically only on tabloid sites. These are all fairly recent allegations too, of an MCU star. It’s weird that they didn’t get more traction.
I don’t know either, but he did have an especially strange vanity app:
https://deadspin.com/i-broke-the-official-jeremy-renner-app-by-posting-the-w-1837804181
“it’s one of only two or three really good scenes in that entire movie” – No, Age of Ultron is jam packed with really good scenes; they just don’t cohere into an overall single story all that well.Seriously, was Barsanti always this bad at takes, or has he actually gotten worse with practice? He’s like a guy throwing darts at a wall every day for years, and never once hitting the dart board. Over time, his unbroken run of Fail has become almost impressive, in its own eldritch way.
The thing about AoU complaints is that they’re always very vague about what exactly is ostensibly wrong with the movie. You’re absolutely right that it’s jam-packed with really good scenes; it’s just one damn good scene after another. My only complaint is that it’s maybe got one too many setpieces; the Seoul section could probably have been shorter. But even that still has a bunch of great moments.
For me, to (attempt) to put it into words, it basically suffers from many of the same issues that afflict the “events” in the comics – it’s basically a series of splash pages with quite weak connective tissue, quite a few characters only really appear as superficial versions of themselves, and it feels like it was written by committee.You’re not wrong that it’s got several good scenes (although I’d say the OP’s “packed” is a bit much), and certain characters definitely are served better than others (Clint is very much the movie’s MVP) but it’s certainly earned many of its criticisms in my book (although I still enjoy it for what it is).
I thought Tony’s, Steve’s, and Banner’s character arc and development in AoU trumps any of the other Avengers movies. It’s the one thing that I really loved about the movie.
Other demerits not listed here: *Alterations to some of the more basic elements of the characters as presented in the comics that don’t really service the film or universe in any particularly useful way. Ultron’s mouth looks bad. Where’s the Kirby crackle, where’s the metallic hiss? Ultron’s presence in the comics very much draws from horror genres but they choose to just replace most of that with snark. Giving Clint a family really undercuts him as the unanchored orphan struggling to make human connections; an essential part of his character. The choices made mostly flatten out these characters making them less dynamic and are missed opportunities in general. *One of the more egregious examples of MCU 3rd act bloat for bloat’s sake. (Albeit that Hawkeye scene is good) *Other Plot points that are muddled, undeveloped or abandoned. Vibranium theft never really fully develops. Why exactly does the Iron Man / Hulk fight end? watch it again. I actually think outrage over the BW monster line is a tad overblown. Although certainly tone deaf and a bad choice; I’ve always red the “monster” part of it as making her an uncaring murdere more than making her sterile. The control she was under is the more monstrous part. Still … they should have been more careful expressing that idea as her guilt over her past is pretty essential to her character.
All of the complaints can be boiled down to:
* People get mad when you insinuate a woman might be sad over not being able to get pregnant
* A woman who spends time around men will complain from time to time about how messy the men are.
* Quicksilver dies.
This…It’s a good superhero movie directed by someone who actually wrote some of the best comics in the last 25 years…People need to let it go.
I don’t think so. There are plenty of legitimate issues with Age of Ultron. It’s always felt to me like they filmed the rough draft of a script. A vast majority of the character beats and conflicts don’t really come together and aren’t well motivated. It’s got the bones of several good ideas that weren’t really fleshed out or refined into functional storytelling, so in between the set-pieces it’s just kinda a bunch of stuff. A good example is just after Ultron comes to life, someone asks why he turned against the Avengers. Instead of having an answer Tony just starts acting like an even bigger asshole than usual and starts talking about a completely different subject, because there isn’t an answer to that question except that we wouldn’t have a movie if Ultron wasn’t evil. It’s similar when Vision is created, it’s just kinda a bunch of noise and yelling and then Thor shows and, hey, Vision’s alive and a good guy . . . for no particular reason. And let’s not forget Thor’s little “set up Infinity War” field trip that isn’t integrated into the story in any sort of organic way.
It’s still not a BAD movie, it’s just sort of hollow and unfinished and didn’t live up to the absolutely astronomical expectations after the first Avengers movie (that did all the things right that AoU did wrong).
At that point in his career, Whedon seemed to be writing to see bits turned into memes. Even in the first Avengers movie, not all of his quips really landed—the Cap “I understood that reference” one did, but the one where he described a big turbine as “it seems to run on electricity” really didn’t—but by the second movie, he was above listening to criticism or suggestions of any sort. Thus, Quicksilver—literally about the last person on earth to be unable to dodge bullets, or to come up with some other way of avoiding being shot—gets shot; Natasha’s bit about being a “monster” as a result of being involuntarily sterilized was so tone-deaf that it got its own articles criticizing it; even the “lift-the-hammer party game” scene, one of the most egregiously meme-baiting in the whole movie, is sort of spoiled by Tony’s joking about “I will be reinstituting Prime Nocta”. It’s the same problem that Whedon has had at least since Firefly, if not before; he falls in love with a bit and doesn’t really care how it fits in the work as a whole.
I think this is spot on. Whedon was a little too in love with his own cleverness. To be fair, that’s what had gotten him the gig in the first place. The Bruce/Natasha scene was clearly engineered to get to the zinger “I’m a monster too,” but was very poorly constructed to get to that point (and the whole relationship was awkward and out of nowhere). I don’t think Whedon meant to imply that sterilized women were monsters; I also don’t blame anyone from getting that impression because the whole thing was so sloppily written. They could have constructed the flashback so the sterilization was earlier and followed by a monstrous act, like Natasha being forced to kill a fellow Red Room denizen, instead of landing on the sterilization as the final act. Whedon really needed a rewrite and an editor, unfortunately is sounded like he had gotten to the point where he considered any feedback to be an assault on his ‘genius.’
I was surprised at how people willfully misunderstood Black Widow referring to herself as a “monster.”That said, the entire Thor storyline should have been pulled. It really is distracting to check in for two seconds every 20 minutes, and they cut it down to the point that you have NO idea why he’s in a cave or what he’s trying to accomplish or even what planet he’s on.
I think it’s less that insinuation so much as Whedon’s go-to method of character development for his female leads seems to be to to make sure they’re full of self-loathing and only get into extremely screwed up relationships that tie into that self-loathing.I mean, it wasn’t that it happened or that she mentioned it. It’s that it was entirely out of place, didn’t even fit the tone, and brought nothing to the movie or to the development of either character. It even made the Hulk leaving fall flat.
Also, Quicksilver dying was one of the most forced scenes in the film. The lead in to it was great, but not the execution. Particularly when you consider that a few minutes earlier, he was moving people at a speed similar to the character’s X-men franchise shenanigans. Just with a different special effect to showcase it.
It wasn’t out of place at all. Wanda had forced Natasha to face her darkest fears and repressed memories, and she talked about it with the Avenger to whom she felt closest at the time.
It was out of place in that it didn’t fit the tone of the movie or the illusions/fears Wanda caused in others and it is basically used to define her relationship with Banner as the ‘we think we’re monsters’ couple. Given that they had apparently been a couple since before the events of the movie, that means they’ve both been in that screwed up relationship before Wanda started messing with minds. When compared to the director’s usual habits with similar characters, it just seems kinda lazy.
The first Avengers film at least did something better where Natasha’s biggest ‘spy’ moment was her and Loki talking about how she had lots of red in her ledger. It is used as part of her ruse to interrogate Loki there but then repeated with sincerity when she’s with Hawkeye.
Essentially the first two Avengers films characterize Black Widow as ‘action pose martial arts lady who thinks she’s a monster because of her past”but AoU in particular focuses on portraying how damaged she (and Bruce) is with no real payoff. Meanwhile the same film has Hawkeye given a lot of development with the inclusion of a family and presumably flipping the twins to heroism the same way he flipped Natasha. Out of all the Avengers given character arcs, Natasha’s is the only one that brings nothing to the film whatsoever since Hulk leaving on the Quinjet would make even more sense if he wasn’t in a relationship.
Honestly? I think the problem was that the film really wasn’t a cohesive thing. Everyone got standout scenes but the only glue was Ultron, and he was left vague. There are two films worth of content here and none of it is actually fleshed out. Instead we get lots of setup for Thor: Ragnarok , Tony doing whatever the hell he wants again, and Wanda.
On Ultron:
We never got to see anything from Ultron real motivation but disdain for the Avengers and a desire to obtain his dream body but we never learn why. The setup is all there too. The film shows us the Ultron drones existed prior to the Avenger’s assault, and that Hydra had been working on AI (and kept better safety procedures than Tony considering the robot bodies were either incomplete or required external power sources). But when Ultron is born, we’re not given a real reason for his genocidal ways.
Comic Ultron at least had the big flaw of having his mind modeled after Hank Pym. MCU Ultron created using the Mind Stone’s neural network as a basis and that’s it. He’s just randomly genocidal.
The worst part is, the film does away with Strucker early on when it could’ve really used him to reveal why Ultron went bad. Hydra wipes out lots of data that included brain scans and it would’ve been easy enough to showcase that the neural network Tony copied wasn’t something there naturally.
Instead, we get an Ultron who monologues, is a solid and somewhat charismatic conversationalist but is later revealed to just want to kill everyone. Which would work if he was the borderline Dalek-level hostile being with companionship issues he usually is.
Ultron’s main motivation is that he spent 30 seconds on the internet and decided humanity needed to go, which…tracks.In all seriousness, it’s a pretty uncreative motivation for a homicidal robot, but…it’s there.
I think it’s vague, because there is not one single thing that’s wrong with it. It’s more death by a thousand cuts. There’s a ton of good and great scenes and set pieces in the film, but it’s also the MCU film that has the most commercials for future films in it, and not all of it is well integrated. Thor’s cave bath as the most egregious example, especially since the actual Ragnarok that we got has nothing to do with that scene.What’s impressive is that Marvel learned from the mistakes of AoU and has relegated most of the set-up for future films back to the end credits scenes.Also, Ultron was at his most scary when he first appears as the acid burned automaton and gets progressively less scary as the film goes on, despite becoming more powerful.
The Thor section was clearly tacked on to further the Infinity Stones storyline and had almost nothing to do with the ongoing narrative. It easily could have been cut from film and 10 minutes of actual Ultron narrative added in so that Ultron taking over half the world wasn’t something that happened offscreen and people explained to other people in 2 lines of exposition.
I think part of the problem is that the version of that sequence we got was cut.If it were presented in full, it still would’ve been mostly setting up a future project (something the MCU wisely avoids for the most part, at least outside of post-credit scenes), but it might have worked in its own right. The options were to acknowledge that it doesn’t really contribute to Age of Ultron’s narrative, but it’s important enough to spend the time to do it properly anyway, or cut it completely and give Thor a different, more immediately relevant mission instead. Keeping it, but hacking it down to the bare minimum is the worst of both worlds.
It is a weird one to me because it’s a movie that, when you’re watching it, feels like it should be a lot better than it is. Moment to moment, lots of entertainment, but then at the end, for all the incident, it didn’t really land. It also had this weird feeling of being incredibly minor in spite of being this big important crossover event, like they needed to get a bunch of stuff out of the way for the next big content push rather than make something that can stand on its own merits.Then again, I am quite far from a big MCU fan – the only one I’ve watched since Infinity War (which I disliked) has been Endgame – so does my opinion on the subject even really matter?
I have boiled down my feelings on AoU to this: It’s more frustrating than anything else because you can see pieces of a good movie in there but it never coalesces and gets bogged down in weird decision-making and an excessive number of quips, even for an MCU movie.
It’s insubstantial with half-assed character work.
Yeah I can think of a dozen scenes offhand from AoU movie that I love, including a probable top 3 Stan Lee cameo.
I think it’s actually one of the rare MCU films that improves on re-watch because the main issue is that there’s so much stuff happening, the different threads lose their impact. Watching the movie again while knowing what happens softens that issue somewhat.
That’s a pretty good description of Thor 2 as well. Lots of great moments but it’s like jigsaw pieces from different puzzles cut from the same die.They fit together but don’t make a coherent image in the end.
Barsanti is the Bradley Brownell of AV Club… There must be one per G/O site. It’s the rule.
I feel Age of Ultron would view better now that we can see where some of those setups ended up leading to. Conversely, they probably hurt the film at the time because we didn’t necessarily know where they were going.
AoU is probably the most repeated viewings of an MCU movie that I’ve watched, despite having access to them all. AoU has a string of so many character defining moments in great scenes that I’ve never understood the hate. Which really only comes from outlets like AVC. I would even disagree that it doesn’t coalesce into a single story that well. It’s the dissolution of the Avengers, which is the story, not defeating the adversary. In clear serial comic book style. That said, yes, Barsanti has always been this bad at takes because he doesn’t even have takes. His game is clicks and it works. Look at the comments on his articles. He says stupid shit and gets a ton of engagement which makes Spanfeller happy.
AoU is still my favorite Avengers movie, because it’s the only one where they’re actually the Avengers for the whole movie.
IF you remove all of the Banner/Natasha “tragic love” arc, the “beep beep” moment with Nat on the motorcycle, and the Nat/Clint conversation near the end where they are talking domestic chores while driving through a bunch of killer bots, the movie that is left is actually pretty decent.Also, this screenshot was worth the cost of admission:
Agreed, I’d argue that the film has a “one or two bad scenes” that essentially drag the film into a lower tier, but besides those it is absolutely firing on all cylinders. It’s takes on characters like Banner, Widow and Thor are unfortunately some of the series-worst…but it’s not like they didn’t all come back from that. Compare it to literally any of the three Phase 4 movies at this point and it’s Citizen Kane quality-wise yet it is still dragged as the “worst thing people have ever scene ever”.
Yep, I too enjoyed Age of Ultron for its many scenes and themes, just that they don’t feel as cohesive and whole as the first and third Avengers films.Which is too bad because the movie is very interesting at times and is still important part of MCU in which its conflicts are still informing how the rest of MCU story unfolds.
The most damning thing abut Age of Ultron is that I remember basically nothing about it. I recall a lot of stuff happening and then it was over and I left the cinema.
I always thought Hawkeye handing out Avengers memberships was a bit like being offered a job by the office intern. Maybe confirm that with somebody more senior before celebrating.
Nah, he was working with Fury before anyone other than Natasha, and possibly before her. He was an Avenger before any of the flashier people came along.
He recruited Natasha according to their dialogue in Avengers.
Thank you – I knew there was something somewhere that spoke to the question, but I couldn’t remember.
Natasha brings up how Clint was sent to kill her but made a different call. I still want to see a movie called “You and I Remember Budapest Very Differently” done Rashmon style with Barton, Natasha, and Phil Coulson debriefing from the mission.
That would be good. After that line in Avengers, I had always wanted to see later that the “Budapest Incident” actually was an alien invasion, but a slightly different kind of alien, so that Clint was revealed as just being incredibly pedantic when he said that.
He was probably one of the few people actually paid to be an Avenger. (Paid by S.H.E.I.L.D of course)
https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/17934/west_coast_avengers_1984_1West Coast Avengers Limited Series #1One of my very first comics.
I mean, on the one hand, you tell Wanda that she isn’t qualified to be an Avenger, since she could casually float Hulk into the sun with her pinkie finger.On the other, from a mental health point of view, maaaaaaybe she shouldn’t have been Avenging.
Try seeing it from his point of view. As he notes “the city is flying, and I’ve got a bow and arrow. None of this makes sense.” What he didn’t say is: you appear to have magic powers, it would be goddamn great if you could be helpful here. As a trained spy and assassin, I’m going to say whatever I need to to get you to get it in gear so that I can hopefully live through this/ we can kill all these bad guys who, might I add, are about to overcome this crumbling building we’re hiding out in. If we live, I will have a quiet conversation with Cap and Fury and deal with the fallout then.
All the more reason it is confounding that Renner didn’t appear in Wandavision. I’m not saying they needed a “Save Wanda” scene, but the friendship between those characters and the easy chemistry between the actors – in at least one non MCU movie as well) would have worked.
The choices are easy:
* Wanda reaches out and Clint and Laura are just too distracted trying to put their own lives back together.
* Clint and Laura reach out, but Wanda, triggered by the happy family scene, backs away and they decide not to push it
* Clint goes with Wanda to get Vision and is told to go away by Hayward, or else the Ronin stuff comes out.
Hell, just having Renner’s voice trying to communicate with her would have worked.
Ah well.
Also, fuck off. Ultron holds up better with each viewing.
Fun Fact: When Swordsman died in the comics, a sentient Space Tree reanimated his corpse so that he could marry Mantis, who was Swordsman’s girlfriend, so that they could fuck and she could give birth to Space Tree Jesus…
Just mind boggling how some of this stuff hasn’t made it into the movies yet
Can you believe that they made Captain America into a movie before this?
Steve Englehart wrote some weird shit. Also, he could never write a comic and not have Mantis in it
Man, sometimes you really can tell the comics stories are just the writers working through their own neuroses, traumas and hang ups.
His hangup was fucking trees? Or like, plant life more generally?
Fetishes. Don’t forget about fetishes
Or they were on some combination of pot and acid.
And drugs. Lots and lots of drugs.
I mainlined ‘70s Avengers, with no regrets. Oddly enough, this does not play that weirdly in the comics (well, it sort of does, but not as much as you’d think), but I always thought it was gross that Mantis strung along The Swordsman while trying to get with Vision, then the Swordsman was killed, and some alien takes over his body for some type of “fated” cosmic happily ever after. Mantis had lots of potential as a character, she certainly shook up the Avengers the way all the non-Wanda-and-Wasp ladies dropped into the team in the ‘70s did, but between her throwing herself at The Vision and calling herself “this one” over and over, my patience was thin.
And people say comics are stupid and make no sense.
shut up and take my money
I mean….. this would be a better movie than AOU for sure. Then again this once panel would be better than 80% of comic movies over the years! Wow….
To be fair, it’s a pretty handsome tree. . .
The sheer ongoing insanity of this era Avengers always pleases me greatly.
I coincidentally re-read my Celestial Madonna TPB a week or two ago and was reminded just how jam-packed with (again, all pretty bonkers) storylines it was. Heck, I had completely forgotten about Dormammu’s involvement!
More like Awesome Fact
Tony Dalton is Swordsman? Infinitely more excited for this.
Die Hard also came out in the summer. Lethal Weapon came out in the spring. Both are Christmas movies. Christmas movies aren’t defined by when they come out but by their content. (Also, IM3 is a Shane Black movie which makes it 90% likely to be a Christmas movie.)
Also, Gremlins
Also, The Thin Man – which takes place around the holidays.
While You Were Sleeping came out in April and is a total Christmas movie.
Does it bother anyone else that David Aja’s art on the Hawkeye miniseries seems to be the basis for every piece of promotional material for this show, and he hasn’t seen a dime for it? Pay artists. Disney. PAY ARTISTS.
Yeah, it bothers me. It’s alway going to be tough to credit and pay an artist when it comes to a long running character, but in this case they are taking his covers and designs and basically photoshopping the actors into them. I’m assuming Fraction is getting some dough because he’s been silent about it as far as I’ve seen.
Fraction did get a thanks in the end credits to Shang-Chi so I’m hoping he’s at least getting some cash considerations.
Ed Brubaker got a cameo in Winter Soldier and $0 (I guess maybe he got paid scale for the movie appearance) for creating the Captain America stuff that the MCU Cap is based upon, so I expect that the thanks was all Fraction got.
The art that he was paid to make for a company that would hold the rights? No.
Great.Now bring back Ralph Bohner and reveal he was actually the X-Men Quicksilver disguised as Ralph Bohner please.
I keep waiting for No Way Home or, preferably, Multiverse of Madness to fix that. I mean Marvel just put out a movie about the “real” Mandarin so I think it’s likely. Or maybe even in the upcoming Agatha All Along show, they can fix their own damn mistake. Also the twist breaks the shows’ own logic, Wanda made everything in Westview except for Ralph Bohner’s ID?
It was the Jeremy Renner app that convinced me
It’s literally the only thing I remember about the climax of that film.
AoU, while maybe not a classic, is certainly better than Civil War. This huge, multi-issue event with deaths galore ended up being a street fight in a remarkably-vacant airport with a score of characters that really had not much to do with each other up to that point. Also, Vision should have wiped the floor with most of them, but that’s just me.
Ere, yer a ‘venger, ‘arry!-Tony Stark, probably
It’s nice
to see Hawkeye getting some love from Marvel Studios. I freely admit that
(after Emma Peel and John Steed, naturally) he’s my favorite Avenger.“But he’s
lame! He’s not ‘sexy’!” you say. Well, hear me out.First,
there’s no sign of any mental health issues. As far as I can tell*, there’s no
traumatic incident in his background that he has to deal with. No dead spouse,
no abuse from a quasi-governmental program, no “daddy issues”. None of that.Secondly,
he’s got a happy and stable home life. How many other Avengers can say that?
How many of them even have a family
they can rely on for emotional support and “grounding”?Finally,
there’s his “superpower”. Being supernaturally good at archery might seem silly
to you, but it’s real. He’s not a
demigod who can control lightning, an insanely wealthy tech genius, the
steroid-loaded result of a secret governmental program, nor does he rely on
handwaving pseudoscience to explain his abilities. He’s just a guy with this
One Weird Skill. It’s the kind of ability you can legitimately imagine yourself
having.When was
the last time you picked up a bow and arrow anyway?*I’m no comic book nut. Almost all of what I know about the characters comes from a basic familiarity with the movies, and having absorbed pop culture over my many years. I’m the “General Audience” that is the real target of the series.
I’m reminded of an interview with Grant Morrison from years ago where he compared the fandoms of Batman and Superman comics. To paraphrase: Batman’s a tortured and misunderstood guy who can never get close to all the attractive women who throw themselves at him, because women don’t understand why his pain compels him to drive around in a tricked-out sports car wearing a leather cape and throwing custom boomerangs at bad guys. This makes him an easy figure for stereotypical comics-loving teenaged boys to look up to, and it’s why so many of them remain ride-or-die for the character and fiercely oppose the periodic turns to make him more colorful and kid-friendly.Superman, on the other hand, grew up in a small town, moved to the big city to find work, fell in love with and married his co-worker and tries to do as much good as he can while still maintaining a normal, middle-class family life. His fans tend to be younger kids and their fathers — kids love him because Superman is Dad, and dads love him because he’s them.
Jesus christ the Marvel fanboys on the comments crying that AOU was good. No it was shit and boring and if you liked it then good for you but alot of us think it’s a dumb marvel movie that Disney and it’s Disney dorks need to be loved. As to why he gets a Hawkeye show, well he is one of the 7 stars of Avengers and one of the 7 who would do a TV show as alot of them have better things to do than star in a made for streaming show.
Jesus christ the Marvel haters on the comments crying that AOU was bad. No it was good and interesting and if you disliked it then good for you but alot (sic) of us think it’s an underrated marvel movie that Disney and it’s (sic) Disney fans genuinely enjoy.