Please, be normal about Julia Garner playing Silver Surfer

The Ozark star is set to play the Shalla-Bal version of the surfer, and we’d like everyone to act like grown-ups about it

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Please, be normal about Julia Garner playing Silver Surfer
Julia Garner, Silver Surfer
Photo: Dimitrios Kambouris (Getty Images for The Met Museum/Vogue)

Something happens to people when they read casting news from within the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Perhaps because the internet is built on the foundation of “Glenn Danzig would make a great Wolverine,” some simply can’t handle any time a slight swerve in casting. We can take this back to Michael Keaton playing Batman, but it intensifies whenever a metallic-skinned summer sports enthusiast is cast against type. We anticipate another round of that. Per Deadline, Julia Garner will play the Shalla-Bal Silver Surfer in the upcoming Fantastic Four movie, and we’re hoping that people can be adults about it.

Garner won’t play the same Silver Surfer that Doug Jones and Laurence Fishburne played in Fantastic Four: Rise Of The Silver Surfer. She’s not playing the “classic” Surfer, but rather Shalla-Bal, a character who first appeared in Silver Surfer #1 as the longtime love interest of Norin Radd, which remains a perfect name for a character with the moniker “Silver Surfer.” (Honestly, they should make a movie about Jack Kirby spitballing names, such as “Gnarly St. Cloud,” “Shredder Stevens,” and “Joseph Localsonly”). As his betrothed, Shalla-Bal is an essential piece of the Silver Surfer canon and eventually took up the mantel as the intergalactic metal surfer. It’s unclear if she will even be the surfer version of Shalla in the film or if she’ll play “Helena,” Shalla-Bal’s alter ego from the time her mind was controlled by Dr. Doom.

Like every character in the Marvel pantheon, Shalla-Bal has a ridiculously complicated backstory, such as when she hooked up with the Surfer’s half-brother or when Joe Satriani wrote a song about her. But since no one cares about or reads the comics or listens to Satriani records these days, that information will probably be secondary to the amount of “Wait, a girl?!” that seems inevitable. Still, we’d love to be proven wrong!

The rest of the Fantastic Four have already been cast, with Pedro Pascal playing Reed Richards, Vanessa Kirby as Sue Storm, Joseph Quinn as Johnny Storm, and Ebon Moss-Bachrach as Ben Grimm. We’re sort of assuming that Shalla-Bal’s inclusion in the film means that the male-identifying Silver Surfer will also appear in the movie—at least in a mid- or post-credit sequence. Regardless, Garner is a spectacular actor who will no doubt do her best to overcome the limitations of making a movie opposite a tennis ball while wearing a green body suit. At the very least, it gives us a reason to post the absolute best moment in all of Ozark.

Ruth langmore screaming !! ozark season 4 part 1 scene

292 Comments

  • thepetemurray-darlingbasinauthorithy-av says:

    Who? 

  • systemmastert-av says:

    It’s gonna be funny to watch like most of a year of internet weirdos absolutely melting down about this only to have the movie come out and she’s just part of the setup to establish that this FF is from an alternate universe or timeline or whatever. I think it’s safe to assume every dumb goober on the internet is aware that the whole arc of the MCU right now is multiverse shenanigans, but that absolutely won’t stop a good whine.

    • mr-rubino-av says:

      I assume they have it written into their itineraries.Monday: New pop culture thing comes out. “THIS IS WOKE!!!”Tuesday: New pop culture thing comes out. “THIS IS WOKE!!!”Wednesday: New pop culture thing comes out. “THIS IS WOKE!!!”Etc. forever.

      • sarcastro7-av says:

        In fairness, they have nothing else to put on their itineraries.

      • redneckrampage-av says:

        In all fairness, YES this is woke. Its literally why they decided to gender swap a character. Because there are ALOT of brain dead wokey wokes who constantly cry for race swapping a character. Same as when Fan4stic cast a black actor to play a white actress twin brother, Taskmaster was gender swapped to be a woman and when they inevitably race swap Iron Fist into an Asian man off the top of my head. The same people who call The Breakfast Club “problematic” because they’re all white characters, the same people who cry about not having LGBTLMNOP+- capes in Helldivers 2. The same people who cry about stupid crap, but then don’t go see the movie or play the game they cry about.

      • asdfqwerzxcvasdf-av says:

        Are you suggesting that every new pop culture thing that comes out ISN’T woke? Because I think they all are.

      • kngcanute-av says:

        Whoah now, didnt you get the memo? Anti woke is OUT! Now it is Anti DEI all day, all night!

      • nilus-av says:

        So you’ve seen the works of the YouTuber Yellowflash I see 🙂

        • mr-rubino-av says:

          Even sarcastijokingly you seem to be implying there is something that separates any one of these from any other outside whatever silly costume they or their anime avatars are wearing, that I would specifically know Yellowflash from RIPMSHEU69 from RealComicsTrueFanLastRationalFactsLogicKingAethelbertOrSomething.

    • boba-wan-skysolo-av says:

      In the original story, the FF saves the Earth from Galactus because the Surfer rebels.  I’m guessing this version of the Surfer does not rebel, and Earth is lost, which is what sends this FF to the MCU.

  • dirtside-av says:

    But since no one cares about or reads the comics or listens to Satriani records these daysI will fucking fight you

    • popculturesurvivor-av says:

      I know! Who but Guitar Center tech dorks ever listened to Joe Satriani?

    • lukashav-av says:

      I am not even a musician and I LOVE Joe Satriani.  I’ve seen him multiple times in concert, he’s IMHO the greatest living guitarist, and I’m seeing him in concert again in May with Steve Vai!  And every concert of his I go to, they’re sold out.  So people are most definitely listening to Joe.

      • kirivinokurjr-av says:

        The greatest living guitarist? Julian Lage would like a word.

        • bodymovin-av says:

          THANK YOU!  Glad to see someone here who knows him! Got to see him at a show 2 years ago and was blown away!

        • thepetemurray-darlingbasinauthorithy-av says:

          Hey. Tommy’s still around.

        • lukashav-av says:

          Never heard of him.

          • kirivinokurjr-av says:

            Julian Lage (to me) is otherworldly. I won’t pretend to understand 50% of what he’s doing, but I’ve never seen improvisation like when he does it. He’s the opposite of what Elrond Hubbard’s experience with Satriani sounds like, because Lage like most jazz people just improvise, like in the video below, and the performances are never the same.

      • dirtside-av says:

        Joe’s my favorite artist (and has been for 30 years) but I’ve only seen him maybe three or four times, but mostly that’s because I don’t really like live music all that much. But the last time I saw him (at the Orpheum here in LA) it was pretty packed.

        • harrydeanlearner-av says:

          I just feel sorry for you now…and yup I’m a guitarist and yup I hated that whole late 80’s guitar wizard era SO much…

      • elrond-hubbard-elven-scientologist-av says:

        I own 4 Satriani CDs, so I do like listening to his music (although Engines of Creations is weird).But I actually walked out of his concert because it was boring. He sounded exactly like the recordings.  He and the rest of the band just stood there and played the songs with practically zero emotion.  It was no different than just listening to his songs at home.

        • lukashav-av says:

          I don’t know what to tell you.  He’s one of the most passionate players I’ve ever seen.  It’s part of why I feel he’s the best.  There are certainly other players who are faster or more technically capable, but for me, no one touches my emotional center as well as Joe’s music does.  And that passion absolutely comes across during his live concerts.  I’ve seen him like 7 or so times, mostly solo, but also with Chickenfoot and for the Jimi Hendrix tribute concert.  Hearing “Flying in a Blue Dream” live always makes me verklempt.

      • not-this-again-av says:

        That concert’s gonna be a blast and I’m totally jealous of you – Kenny Aronoff and Bryan Beller are holding down the low-end, and Rai Thistlethwaite’s no slouch. Then they do ridiculous stuff like this:Seen Satch four or five times (first was in the STUUUUUUUUU Hamm years), met him once or twice, seriously nicest guy ever.

      • asdfqwerzxcvasdf-av says:

        That’s another reason no one listens to him.  His concert tickets are too hard to get.

    • thepetemurray-darlingbasinauthorithy-av says:

      It’s funny, because I came down to the comments to post everyone’s favourite Steve Vai-/Larry Lalonde-/Kirk Hammet-teaching cue ball because I didn’t think they’d mention him……because I didn’t read the article. So yeah, it’s kinda funny that an AV Club article-writer wrote that no one listens to Satch records any more. 

    • brianjwright-av says:

      Dipshit morons think of Joe Satriani as endless shredwank extraordinaire, while anybody who has actually listened to him in the context of his peers or even the current state of the art finds a relentlessly tasteful player whose worst sin is continuing to play in the limited genre of instrumental rock.

    • beveryman-av says:

      I stopped following along with Satch at some point after “Engines of Creation”.But agreed, I got your back bro.

    • tarst-av says:

      I recently listened to tha album for the first time and…well he certainly made that music. That much we know.

    • i-miss-splinter-av says:

      Obligatory:

  • michelle-fauxcault-av says:

    Love Julia Garner. Love Silver Surfer. Looking forward to this.

  • coatituesday-av says:

    It’s wrong! Not because the character should be a MAN, but because come on, girls don’t surf.

  • waystarroyco-av says:

    I’m out. She succcckkked the life out of Ozark.There’s no reason to not just have SS be SS. This is just another instance of squeezing diversity into marvel movies where it doesn’t even matter…except when they do it…and it’s blatant…and then also their track record when they do this….is awful.Can’t wait to see the cute annoying kid they cast who has to teach the FF a moral lesson and help save the day!

    • captain-splendid-av says:

      “Can’t wait to see the cute annoying kid they cast who has to teach the FF a moral lesson and help save the day!”I believe it’s this guy

    • chichirimuyo-av says:

      Oh hey, look, it’s “that guy”

    • stevennorwood-av says:

      You sound like fun.

    • gargsy-av says:

      Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

    • dxanders-av says:

      Perfect username/comment synergy. I see you, Kendall.

    • mr-rubino-av says:

      “diversity”Haha. Trash.

    • knappsterbot-av says:

      A white woman in a movie is diversity to you? You have terminal brain worms

    • saddogs-av says:

      You’re doing the thing

    • frycookonvenus-av says:

      Your comment is a “Male Dork Virgin” BINGO. 

    • electricsheep198-av says:

      So when the request is for the internet to be normal about this casting, I guess your response is a resounding “NO.”

    • yttruim-av says:

      SS is being SS. In which way is it not? It is all made up, and none of it matters anyways. It is an adaptation. Everything about every character is able to be changed, and yet here so far, nothing is. So what is your issue? 

    • sarcastro7-av says:

      “I’m out.”And I’m sure you’ll be missed.

    • rabbiddog-av says:

      Julie Garner was the best thing about Ozark.And they’re not “squeezing” anything into the movie. There was a female Silver Surfer in the comics. But somehow that most likely doesn’t matter to you. Misogynists gonna Misogyny.

    • wangfat-av says:

       You’re literally who the article is talking about. Call it woke next.

    • i-miss-splinter-av says:

      I’m out.

      Good riddance. Don’t come back.

    • dirk-steele-av says:

      Something tells me you unironically use the phrases “white genocide” and “great replacement” when airing grievances.

    • timetravellingfartdetective-av says:

      Would you mind throwing in DEI, woke, and something about blood and soil so I can complete my daily nazi bingo card? I realize none of those terms make any sense in this or any other context, but that never seems to be a major concern for you folks.

    • it-has-a-super-flavor--it-is-super-calming-av says:

      where it doesn’t even matter It doesn’t even matter, so there’s no reason to complain about it.
      (damn, seems my comment put yours to the top of the comment section. You really don’t deserve more eyes on your soft bigotry.)

    • frankwalkerbarr-av says:

      I liked her as the daughter of the general or whatever in The Americans that Mathew Rhys’ character was faking a relationship with to plant bugs in their house.

    • ghboyette-av says:

      The Silver Surfer she’s playing is a woman in the comics. So the diversity you think they’re squeezing in the movie, already existed in the comics, you dumb fuckmook .

      • koolguy69-av says:

        Yea, when people think of the Silver Surfer, they think of this lady character.I know you guys are desperately anxious to show how progressive and with it you are, but are people not allowed to like characters? Did fans of the comic books commit some kind of crime to you guys? That they deserve to have their characters changed just to make some bizarre point? There’s plenty of female characters. I feel like if the point of these movies isn’t to bring fan-favourite stories to the bigscreen, then what are they even doing? Making “good” movies? Come on, every single film is 2008 Ironman over and over again. These are not good movies. These movies, like all disney films, aren’t made because someone had a good idea for a film and thought they could ramp their career up and make some money. These movies are made because shareholders want returns on investments. There’s a big difference. People just want to see their favourites in a movie context. It’s like you guys hold it against boys for being the predominant comic book buyers. Why is that? I used to watch the girls in school judge the “nerdy” guys for stuff like comic books, videogames, pokemon, etc. constantly. Constantly.IDK, you guys just froth at the mouth over the idea of judging someone because they don’t applaud changes to characters. If you’re not going to have some minor affinity for the characters, why intake any media? Is it to “win” the “enemy”? Is that the point of life now?

    • Peter_Milley-av says:

      “I’m out.”Goodbye.

    • nimbh-av says:

      You’re dumb and don’t deserve to live

  • boggardlurch-av says:

    Huff! Huff! Ah laks mah Silver Surfers all shiny an’ sexless like God intended! Huff!

  • everythingnow-av says:

    This sounds wild. Put it in my eyeballs, plz.

  • batista_thumbs_up-av says:

    RIP Bucky Barnes in the category of best Marvel hair. You had a good run, bud.

  • njantney-av says:

    G’enn Danzig would never make a good Wolverine, because even great CGI and adamantium-lined bones could not fix Glenn’s glass jaw.

  • necgray-av says:

    I love Garner. I am ambivalent about the Surfer. I am also not sure they really need to be dragging yet MORE fucking Marvel nonsense into this attempted reboot of a reboot of a title. FFS, can we just get an establishment movie made and not synergy blast all over the fucking thing?

    • hankdolworth-av says:

      I think Julia Garner could have made a fantastic Frankie Raye, a different herald of Galactus than the Silver Surfer. Forcing the actress into a different role – effectively deleting Norrin Radd from the MCU before he could get there – feels like an unforced error….then again, the last time Norrin Radd had a lengthy comics run, it was Dan Slott turning him into a Doctor Who pastiche, so maybe Feige doesn’t feel like much is being lost.  (I can also understand the desire not to have Frankie Raye as Nova, given the potential confusion with the Nova Corps.)

      • yellowfoot-av says:

        Well having The Mandarin show up in Iron Man 3 didn’t stop The Mandarin from showing up in Shang-Chi. Maybe it unnecessarily shuffles the characters’ backstories, but I don’t see how it eliminates a character outright.

        • jthane-av says:

          Fake Mandarin in Iron Man 3; real Mandarin in Shang-Chi.

          • yellowfoot-av says:

            Are you sure? I’m pretty sure it’s the same actor.

          • jthane-av says:

            As the kids say, it’s complicated. Ben Kingsley plays Trevor Slattery (the fake Mandarin) in both, yes. But in Shang Chi, Tony Leung plays Xu Wenwu, leader of the Ten Rings, who for all intents and purposes is the ‘real Mandarin’ from the comics.

          • systemmastert-av says:

            Also Guy Pearce claims to be the real Mandarin in Iron Man 3 at one point. It’s a popular role, lots of people want to get in on it.

          • yellowfoot-av says:

            I’m sorry what I meant to say is that you missed the joke, and then you missed the joke.

          • jthane-av says:

            I tend to miss jokes that aren’t funny. 😀

          • yellowfoot-av says:

            Yeah, I tend to ignore them, but if you want to fake a reading comprehension problem, knock yourself out.

      • bigtotoro-av says:

        Who said Norrin Rad was being deleted? This is a different character. 

        • hankdolworth-av says:

          If the FF movie involves having Galactus, that means having one of his heralds. Garner is being cast in to fill that spot in the narrative as Shalla-Bal. I suspect they’re going to mix-and-match between the Silver Surfer and Frankie Raye for the movie (if only to give Johnny Storm the romantic angle from Nova’s backstory).Much like giving the Thunderbolts name to a collection of characters from other films precludes an actual Baron Zemo -led version of the Masters of Evil posing as heroes, I accept that we probably will not see both Shalla-Bal and Norrin Radd with Silver Surfer powers in the movies. Sure, they could say the version of Galactus and the Surfer comes from Earth-17 instead of the MCU version (Earth-“616″), leaving room for another character to also be the Silver Surfer in the MCU, but I just don’t see it as likely.

      • systemmastert-av says:

        It’s multiverse shit.  This is just like how we got a different Reed Richards actor already, to establish that “Hey we’re in some wacky different universe right now!”  Like, that’s the theme of this whole arc.  She isn’t replacing Norrin Rad, she’s either going to die or be left behind in universe 9999 or whatever while the FF go to the “regular” one.

        • simplepoopshoe-av says:

          What if they don’t do that and it’s just a female Silver Surfer. You are the type of person this piece is asking calm down. 

          • systemmastert-av says:

            No I’m not because I’d be fine if they did that.  I just don’t think they’re going to.

      • sarcastro7-av says:

        “effectively deleting Norrin Radd from the MCU before he could get there”Fortunately that’s not actually a thing, though.

      • doondoom-av says:

        Thats a great run!

    • cosmack-av says:

      The story that introduced Silver Surfer happed in early FF, tho.

      • necgray-av says:

        Sure, but it’s not a Silver Surfer movie. He’s not a core member of the Fantastic Four. This will be the second time that a FF movie uses the Silver Surfer and it just seems… I dunno, like maybe they should let the team be themselves for at least one f’ing movie? I know he was in the sequel but even that I didn’t care for. Why introduce another hero before you’ve given the titular heroes their own franchise? It seems needlessly tangential.

        • systemmastert-av says:

          Solid chance it’s because she’s not playing a heroic version of the character, and is just a secondary villain to herald Galactus.

    • murrychang-av says:

      I’m confused as to what you would want in a Marvel movie if you don’t want ‘Marvel nonsense’…the whole point is that there’s a dude(woman) in this universe who is covered with silver and infused with the power cosmic in order to be the herald of a giant dude who dresses in purple and eats planets.  If that’s not the kind of thing you’re in on a FF movie for then I don’t think you really want to see a FF movie…

      • necgray-av says:

        No, you’re right. They should make a Ghost Rider movie featuring Jon Bernthal as the Punisher and Hugh Jackman as Wolverine because Marvel Hearts of Darkness happened.

        • murrychang-av says:

          With the Gabriel Luna GR?  I’m sold!

          • necgray-av says:

            *sigh*I guess more power to you, man. Shit like this obvious snarky joke is why the MCU is the way it is narratively but if that’s what you’re into…

          • murrychang-av says:

            Hugh Jackman is a good Wolverine, Jon Berenthal is a good Punisher and Gabriel Luna is a good GR, if you don’t want to watch a movie where they team up then that’s your thing. Personally, I think it would be cool.
            If you don’t like Marvel movies with Marvel stuff in them then you shouldn’t be worrying about watching Marvel movies, because they’re going to have Marvel stuff in them.
            One of the main things the Fantastic Four are known for, a foundational storyline for the team, is interacting with the Silver Surfer and convincing Galactus to not eat Earth. You’re literally saying that something that happened in comics in the ‘60s, 50 issues into a run that lasted over 600 issues before being restarted over 10 years ago, is not an establishing story for the FF…it’s like you don’t actually like comic storylines and are looking for something entirely different and I guess more serious or something?

    • seven-deuce-av says:

      Silver Surfer is iconic.

  • hennyomega-av says:

    “But since no one cares about or reads the comics”Wut? I’m pretty sure the comic book industry is doing just fine.

    • universalamander-av says:

      Comics are a loss leader to market superhero movies.

    • gargsy-av says:

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, good one.

    • mortimercommafamousthe-av says:

      Well, the comic book movie industry is. Unless you live in a large city, actual paper comic books are hard to find for normal prices.

      • zirconblue-av says:

        How are you defining “big city”? I have no problem finding comics at cover price in my current city of ~300K people, nor in the previous “cities” I lived in, which were much smaller (fewer than 50,000 people).

    • j4x-av says:

      He is specifically talking about the mouth breathers who screech and post 15 minute reaction videos to YouTube. They have a very “loose” understanding of what comic books are supposed to be about and at best, it relies on their memories of the 90s and early aughts, not necessarily a high water mark for super hero books.The saddest part of a red pilled comics fan is that (in my observation)none of them understand the canon as well as they pretend, let alone the ability to assess the stories or art critically.

      • can-not-connect-with-twitter-av says:

        You have to give them that they at least read the comics, Matt just looked at the Wikipedia entry for Shalla-Bal.

    • tomatofacial-av says:

      Obviously you haven’t been to a local comic shop lately. 

    • weirdstalkersareweird-av says:

      They’re in existence, but sales numbers are WAAAAAAAAY lower than they used to be.

  • gwbiy2006-av says:

    I love this. Makes me want to go sit outside the comic-book store and listen for the cries of outrage like the Grinch waiting for the Whos to discover Christmas has been stolen.  

    • donnation-av says:

      You really get excited enough over this to hopefully go taunt someone who might not like the casting choice?  Sounds like a great life. 

    • seven-deuce-av says:

      Your pathetic schadenfreude complex has been duly noted.

  • thomathome-av says:

    I think Julia Garner’s a decent actor, but I’d rather see her as Frankie Raye (a.k.a. Nova, but not *that* Nova) than as Shalla-Bal-Silver-Surfer. In the comics, Shalla-Bal was only a Silver Surfer in the alternate timeline of Earth X. I’m not offended by the gender-swap, just bothered that it’s a needless change since there was another perfectly suitable character to use right there.

  • sicod-av says:

    Makes me think this will confirm that the FF movie takes place in an alternate universe if this is the “Shalla-Bal Surfer”.  She was only the Surfer, to my knowledge, in an alternate universe in comics. This would open up for them at the end to make contact with the MCU.

  • gargsy-av says:

    Cool.

  • coatituesday-av says:

    We can take this back to Michael Keaton playing Batman That was fun.  A lot of you younguns won’t remember but when Keaton (a standup comic and sometime-sitcom actor) was cast as Batman, the outrage was fucking fierce. He didn’t look like a superhero -I remember people going on and on about his weak chin and balding head. Pre-internet, but boy, it was all over every other media.Cut to years later, when Val Kilmer was cast? “Hey, HE’s not Michael Keaton! How can he be Batman?”[I thought then and think now that Kilmer was cast because his and Keaton’s lips look similar, especially with the cowl on….]

    • g-off-av says:

      Reminds me a bit too of when Bruce Willis made Die Hard. The man was known as a romantic comedy lead from Moonlighting and it was deemed a huge risk to put him in an action movie that Sly and Arnold had turned down.There wasn’t fan furor like with Keaton, but you get the idea. We see some actors now as iconic for certain types of roles but forget they were considered risky casting choices at the time.

    • saddogs-av says:

      The pull quote was “By casting a clown, Warner Brothers have defecated on the history of Batman.”

    • daikaiju73-av says:

      Granted, but there’s also going to ungodly amount of vitriol over casting a woman in the role. The dudebros lost their collective minds over Captain Marvel, which was a female character to begin with. Lord knows how this will go down.

      • nilus-av says:

        Technically the first Captain Marvel was a dude but Carol Danvers was and had been a far more popular character in comics than the original was. She just had a bunch of different character names before taking  the Captain Marvel name. At that point a black woman had already used the name and led the fucking Avengers. In the fucking 80s!    But you know, Marvel is SO WOKE these days! 🙂

        • browza-av says:

          I didn’t read a lot of comics as a kid but I had the Marvel RPG, which featured that Captain Marvel right on the cover. When the Brie Larson was announced, I was pretty confused.And now I’m looking up the character to see what her name was. Monica Rambeau? This is both enlightening and more confusing.

        • daikaiju73-av says:

          Exactly. The movie was adapting the current title holder. The biggest thing the original was known for is the pre-internet meme, “Is he/she/they dead or Captain Marvel dead?”

    • Emuc-av says:

      I thought Val Kilmer made a good Batman.

    • electricsheep198-av says:

      Val Kilmer’s lips might have been my sexual awakening.

    • phonypope-av says:

      “That was fun. A lot of you younguns won’t remember but when Keaton (a standup comic and sometime-sitcom actor) was cast as Batman”He had been the lead in 7 or 8 movies by that point.

    • seven-deuce-av says:

      I love Michael Keaton but he was miscast. No shame in admitting it now.

    • dmicks-av says:

      True, Michael Keaton’s casting broke the internet before it even existed, but Keaton was more than just a stand-up and sometimes sit-com actor. He was already a movie star, but known for comedy, Night Shift, Gung Ho, Beetle Juice, Johnny Dangerously. It was his one serious role in Clean and Sober that reportedly convinced Tim Burton he was the right man for the job. And it is a great movie, everybody should check it out.

      • dmicks-av says:

        Oh, and I forgot one of his biggest movies from back then, Mr. Mom, which I seem to remember as one of the biggest things people were upset about, “they cast Mr. Mom as Batman!” I don’t think I was enraged about it, but I can’t say I understood why he was cast as Batman, a lot of fan casting back then was focusing on Ted Danson, because of that square jaw, me personally, I was kind of hoping for Kevin Kline, because I imagined him being a delightful Bruce Wayne.

      • coatituesday-av says:

        Keaton was more than just a stand-up and sometimes sit-com actor Damn. I knew that he’d done all those movies,  just glossed it over in my mind. AND I had forgotten that Clean and Sober had come out before Burton hired him.[Hope it didn’t seem like *I* thought Keaton would be bad as Batman. I actually thought he’d be fine (and he was).]

    • jimmyjamessuperkaratemonkeydeathcar-av says:

      I’m 52 and I was outraged by Keaton being cast. You’re leaving out the fact that the last time Batman was on screen was that awful CAMPY television show, so SHOCKINGLY we assumed that casting a comedian as Batman meant more silver age camp. Context is important, buddy. 

  • brianjwright-av says:

    Is this a real thing? Fuck, I hope so

  • nogelego-av says:

    For me she was easily the worst thing about Ozark for the first season or so. She was also really weird looking. But then something shifted and I just got used to her face and by the time I saw that movie about the girls trapped in a shit town in Australia I’d pulled a 180 into thinking that she’s actually hot in an unusual way. And she’s a good actor who can pull off mopey-menace.

    • saddogs-av says:

      Well we’re all relieved to hear that Grandpa Moistener finds her hot, that’s what’s important here

      • nogelego-av says:

        And a solidly good actor to boot – don’t forget that I also said this when you try to nut-punch me for saying that she’s attractive, you fucking Puritard.

        • saddogs-av says:

          Love seeing yet more aspects of your charming personality

          • nogelego-av says:

            I love how good you are at finding opinions on the internet and pointing them out like my kid does when we pass cows in the car. Maybe you can take me to an airport and show me the planes.

          • saddogs-av says:

            This is your nonsensical response when you’re told you’re being creepy on the internet

          • nogelego-av says:

            I’m sorry – what did I say that was creepy? That an actress is “hot?” Is that creepy?Seriously, Get your white knight boner ready, because you have some work to do in these comment threads:“You’ll buzz over Blake Lively’s Latest Photo of “Sexy” Ryan Reynolds” https://www.eonline.com/news/1383648/youll-buzz-over-blake-livelys-latest-photo-of-sexy-ryan-reynolds
            Like, what the fuck E! News! That’s creepy as fuck, right sad dogs? Calling someone “sexy?” Better write a letter to the network.Irish Times – Ozark fans stunned as Ruth actress Julia Garner shows off ‘unrecognisable’ transformation – “OMG she’s so fire!” https://www.thesun.ie/tv/6098902/ozark-fans-julia-garner-unrecognisable-transformation/Hurry – get in there Sir Chucklefuck! There’s an actress requiring protection from an internet stranger complimenting her appearance.Oh, and this was in this same thread:“I thought this was gonna be about being weird regarding how hot she might look in the role.”Why didn’t you comment on this? Isn’t this creepy? Unlike my comment, they didn’t compliment her acting ability and suggest that she would be good in the role.So please tell me how I was “creepy” while People Magazine’s 50 Hottest Celebs isn’t, or fuck straight off with your nonsense.

          • saddogs-av says:

            Lol whataboutism

          • nogelego-av says:

            Yeah, I would say the same thing if someone called me out on a bullshit double standard. Thanks for playing.

          • saddogs-av says:

            Lol you came back a week later with this weak-ass shit

  • John--W-av says:

    “Why do I have to have a female surfer?”

  • it-has-a-super-flavor--it-is-super-calming-av says:

    Wait, so there’s an actual female Silver Surfer in the comics and we’re supposed to care about morons that want to complain it’s not a male in the movie?
    No.

    • mr-rubino-av says:

      They don’t really know comics, as such.

    • tomatofacial-av says:

      Shiny tits. 

    • dc882211-av says:

      There are female heralds of Galactus, but this character has never been “the silver surfer” or really anything like that outside of a “what if” arc in the 80s. In mainline continuity she’s Norrin Radd’s erstwhile love interest who got a tickle of the power cosmic at one point

      • stalkyweirdos-av says:

        FF is taking place in an AU, not the MCU. This casting does not preclude the Norrin Rad version showing up in later movies.

        • dc882211-av says:

          Correct, but all the stories are describing the casting as “the shalla-bal version of the silver surfer”, and she’s never been the silver surfer in any continuity, her codename in that what if story was starglow. It’s a failure of description more than anything that seems to start with how the hollywood reporter described it.

    • seven-deuce-av says:

      So you really don’t know shit all about comics but want to comment on those who know shit about comics and are complaining that the iconic version of SS is being pushed aside for an alternate? Got it.

    • jimmyjamessuperkaratemonkeydeathcar-av says:

      Yes, a C-List female silver surfer that no one defending it had ever heard of until literally right now. 

  • chickcounterfiy-av says:

    Hopefully the Surfer just pops up in the stinger doing some reconnaissance. Cramming a character like that into the first MCU FF movie could be disastrous. If this movie is overloaded with characters and doesn’t focus on the FF themselves, for at least one or two movies, would be a huge disservice to the franchise.

  • haodraws-av says:

    I thought this was gonna be about being weird regarding how hot she might look in the role.

    • knappsterbot-av says:

      Horny dudes are flying under the radar these days thanks to the wacko misogynists

      • light-emitting-diode-av says:

        Horny is the backbone of the internet. Remember a few weeks back when misogynists were all “Sweeney’s breasts are the counter to woke” and the rest of the internet was “Everyone loves big breasts, you tit”

        • liffie420-av says:

          “Horny is the backbone of the internet.”Right the internet is powered by horny, hell horny and horny adjacent content likely outweighs the entirety of human knowledge contained in the internet.

          • iggypoops-av says:

            All new technology develops into popular culture through horniness. The porn folks are always the first to figure out how to turn something a handful of nerds are using amongst themselves into some way to make a lot of money because people want the horny. 

          • liffie420-av says:

            100%, hence VHS, or so goes the popular story.

          • nilus-av says:

            Honestly I theorize that all the misogyny on the internet is directly caused by the fact that the internet is so horny that misanthropic dudes with bad social skills assume reality should be(and is) just as horny as the internet and when its not for them, the blame and hate women.

          • liffie420-av says:

            You could be right, also it’s a lot of guys thinking they could say have Taylor Swift, or insert any beautiful woman, when in reality it’s not gonna happen lol. I think that’s what’s behind the whole incel thing lol. Which I mean on one hand I guess I kind of get, would I hook up with Swift, 100% no questions asked lol, will it happen hell fucking no, but I’m not going to get all pissy about it. There are plenty of stunningly beautiful women I have interacted with over the course of my life that I have ZERO chance with, that’s just life.

  • the5thhorseman-av says:

    As his betrothed, Shalla-Bal is an essential piece of the Silver Surfer canon and eventually took up the mantel as the intergalactic metal surfer.
    This isn’t accurate. Shalla-Bal has never been the Silver Surfer in the main 616 universe. She shared the duties with Norrin in an alternate multiverse future, in a mini-series. Outside of that mini-series, it has never been a thing. It was essentially an Elseworlds tale.

    Casting her and saying “it’s in the comics” would be like casting a fat guy as Wolverine because he was a schlub in this mini-series. It’s not really who the character is.

    • j4x-av says:

      As a man with literally ALL the bound Silver Surfer trades…it doesn’t matter. The Surfer will be a plot device, not a character, like in an event comic.

    • saddogs-av says:

      I can hear the wheedle in your voice from here

    • ikaiyoo-av says:

      For one issue. She is introduced and killed in the same issue and referenced in flashback for like 3 other. There are so many other prominent heralds of Galactus who were women I dont understand Marvel intentionally courting backlash and outrage for this. Then again I dont know why the fuck the silver surfer, doctor doom, or galactus is in the first movie to begin with not when they have 20 other villains that would be perfect for the FF to fight if nothing else then to prove they made decent casting choices with the team. 

    • ekimyllek-av says:

      Don’t crush my Wolverine dreams!

    • timetravellingfartdetective-av says:

      Weird to use Wolverine as an example considering how little Hugh Jackman resembled the comics and yet no one cared. Trying to think of a reason why, give me a second…

  • maash1bridge-av says:

    So silver boobs? I can live with that.

  • Shampyon-av says:

    So no official announcement, just unnamed sources with claims that don’t really match what we know of the source material. I’m fine if it turns out to be true, but I have a sneaking suspicion it’s a mistake or miscommunication.

  • tarst-av says:

    Danzig as Wolverine predates the internet. Wizard Magazine was pushing for that casting since the early ‘90s. And yes it would have been perfect at the time, but that was 30 years ago and holy hell…Glenn Danzig is the same age as my dad.

    • thegobhoblin-av says:

      It just goes to show you time is a flat circle of snakes.

    • saddogs-av says:

      I remember when I thought Robert De Niro would make a good Eddie in a Dark Tower movie adaptation

    • phonypope-av says:

      “Danzig as Wolverine predates the internet. Wizard Magazine was pushing for that casting since the early ‘90s.” You realize “the internet” was around before Twitter, right?

    • atlasstudios-av says:

      i have no idea who glenn danzig is but i still have the picture from that issue ingrained in my brain

    • mid-boss-av says:

      If his acting ability matches his writing and directing ability, we really dodged a bullet there.

      • tarst-av says:

        I don’t think he could have done what Jackman did and make Wolverine a compelling leading man with charisma and pathos. However, he could have nailed the role with his size and physicality, and then would have just needed to growl his way through the part. That would have been a totally accurate portrayal of the character.

      • iggypoops-av says:

        No kidding. I was a big Misfits/Samhain/Danzig fan (and still listen to a lot of it) but I never bought into the Glenn Danzig worship that a lot of his fans fell into (some of my friends included). Sure, he was short, muscular, and had the sideburns and could have made a great Wolverine cosplayer, but he’s simply not an actor. It would have been awful. 

    • nilus-av says:

      Wizards did always say Patrick Stewart for Prof X and that did work 

    • ghboyette-av says:

      Danzig could play Shadow King now at least

  • mythagoras-av says:

    I didn’t get a The Americans notification for this?

    • igotlickfootagain-av says:

      Shit, that’s where I know her from! I knew her face was familiar.Man, that was a tough storyline to watch. I loved ‘The Americans’, and got used to Philip and Elizabeth doing some fucked up things, but the whole Kimberley thing was brutal.

  • tomatofacial-av says:

    Is the character interesting, well written, with some kind of a legitimate story arc? Then people will be just fine. It’s a pre-established character. If it’s another pandering box check for the sake of the marketing team, people will bitch about it.

  • murrychang-av says:

    Hum…so doing Galactus right off or setting up for the second movie?One way or another it better big the big dude in purple.

    • peon21-av says:

      Now that Knowhere and The Eternals have put cosmic giants squarely in MCU canon, I think we’re safe.

      • murrychang-av says:

        God I hope so, we need more silly shit like a giant guy in a crazy purple hat eating planets in our lives.

  • kendull-av says:

    Nobody in thier right mind has a problem with this casting, it’s great! For those not in their right mind can we ignore them? Stop acknowledging them and just ignore them, please.

    • wrecksracer-av says:

      I guess I’m not in my right mind. This is a marketing move. Maybe girls will buy a female Silver Surfer action figure. There was nothing wrong with having a black Johnny Storm, either…except it didn’t make sense. Stuff like this is decided in a board room. It’s not art.

      • murrychang-av says:

        If you have a problem with it then no, you’re absolutely not in your right mind, sorry.

        • wrecksracer-av says:

          You think this is some sort of bold artistic decision? It marketing.

          • light-emitting-diode-av says:

            Well damn, here I thought they were making a movie for free!

          • wrecksracer-av says:

            Considering the success of some of the recent films, they actually are making them for free….or losing money. Why is that?

          • murrychang-av says:

            Did I say I think it’s some kind of ‘bold artistic decision’? I don’t think I did, from what I can tell I just said that you’re not in your right mind. Because you have a problem with a woman being cast as a sexless silver coated being from space that rides a surfboard and wields the power cosmic instead of a man being cast for that role, that’s why you’re not in your right mind.
            I’m not sure what marketing department would think that women will flock to theaters because the silver painted man has been replaced by a silver painted woman, but Disney’s marketing department is a lot smarter than that.
            Hope that all helps! 

          • wrecksracer-av says:

            I don’t have a problem with Galactus having a female herald. There already is a fine one (Fankie Raye – Nova). Why not use her instead of changing the sex of the Silver Surfer? The back story of the Silver Surfer has to be changed quite a bit, right? Was he not a good enough character? It’s funny that you have faith in Disney’s marketing department. Worked pretty well with that recent Captain Marvel film.

          • stalkyweirdos-av says:

            How much does it have to be changed? It’s like Spider-Gwen. Instead of Norrin doing it for the love of Shanna, she does it for him. In your version of an FF film, how much time were you going to spend on a pre-Galactus Norrin Radd going about his private life?

          • murrychang-av says:

            “I don’t have a problem with Galactus having a female herald.”Oh yeah I don’t get the impression you have a problem with Galactus having a female herald, that’s why I didn’t mention it. Your problem is with a woman being cast as a sexless silver coated being from space that rides a surfboard and wields the power cosmic instead of a man being cast for that role. I’m in no way confused about that.“There already is a fine one (Fankie Raye – Nova). Why not use her instead of changing the sex of the Silver Surfer?”Because there’s already a Nova Corps in the MCU and I would imagine they don’t want people to be confused that there’s suddenly this flaming woman who’s also called Nova.“The back story of the Silver Surfer has to be changed quite a bit, right?”No, not really much at all.It seems like you think Disney’s marketing department came up with the idea to have a movie starring 3 women because they’re under the impression that women will flock to a film just because it has women in it, and Disney went along with it just to…I don’t know, be woke or something?

          • wrecksracer-av says:

            The reason the other FF films aren’t fondly remembered? They didn’t stay true to the source material. Galactus isn’t a space cloud. Doom didn’t get bombarded by cosmic rays riding in the same space shuttle as the FF. Johnny Storm isn’t a black man. These were unsuccessful and unnecessary changes. Here we go again. What is wrong with the original storyline? It’s like stunt re-imagining.

          • timetravellingfartdetective-av says:

            I don’t have a problem with women/minorities/non-white males, but….

          • wrecksracer-av says:

            yeah, yeah…I live on the west side of Chicago….and most of my friends are black

          • evanwaters-av says:

            They’re not fondly remembered because they have major problems beyond just “changing the source material”Like there are plenty of good films that also make major changes to the material they’re based on. 

          • wrecksracer-av says:

            so you’re in favor of Galactus cloud?

          • evanwaters-av says:

            No. But, look. Blade Runner’s a great film right? Completely leaves out some major elements of PKD’s novel, including Mercerism, Buster Friendly, Decker having a wife, etc. But it’s a great film so who cares? Even Dune Chapter 2 makes some changes to the material that weren’t 100% necessary to adapt the book, but were changes the director made to emphasize certain points, and that’s valid. (And speaking of Dune, remember how Liet Kynes was a woman in the first part?)A film’s quality can’t be evaluated on the basis of its fidelity to something else. It has to first be examined for what it is in itself. 

          • simplepoopshoe-av says:

            “Johnny Storm is not a black man”So you don’t like Black people? Why else would the race of a fictional character bother you? 

          • wrecksracer-av says:

            My girlfriend is black. She didn’t care for black Johnny Storm, either.

          • killa-k-av says:

            Johnny Storm isn’t a black man.No one fucking cares.

          • murrychang-av says:

            Or maybe because they were bad movies and slight changes didn’t actually matter.“Johnny Storm isn’t a black man.”Ok don’t fucking watch the movie if you can’t deal with Johnny Storm being a black guy.  Jesus Christ if that’s your problem with the film then you’re 100% a racist, do something about that shit.

          • wrecksracer-av says:

            You don’t have any black friends, so I wouldn’t expect you to know that at the comic book shop I go to, the black customers were calling black Johnny Storm “Token Storm.” You know why that is?

          • murrychang-av says:

            ‘I have black friends!’ is what you’re going with?

          • wrecksracer-av says:

            if you haven’t seen South Park’s Panderverse episode, you really need to. You are on the “suck harder” side of this argument. And you don’t have any black friends, right? But you think you know what is best for them.

        • simplepoopshoe-av says:

          For real. These neckbeards are insane. 

      • nilus-av says:

        Black Johnny Storm doesn’t make sense(presuming because Sue would be white appearing)  in a world where adoption, step children and mixed race marriage never occur.  So only in a Alt-right fever dream utopia 

        • wrecksracer-av says:

          It still doesn’t make sense….because Sue and Johnny were biological brother and sister. Sure, you can change that, but then it’s something other than the Fantastic Four.

          • nilus-av says:

            I’ve pretty much read every issue of Fantastic Four and never once have I thought “Wow if Sue and Johnny weren’t biological siblings none of this would work”.  They are siblings, that is all that matters.  Whether one is adopted or they are step siblings doesn’t change that.  

          • wrecksracer-av says:

            You still go to comic book shops? Why were the black customers at the comic book shop I go to calling him Token Storm?

          • nilus-av says:

            Yep. And have heard many conversations on why Fan4Stick was a bad movie and Michael B Jordan skin tone was not even in the top 100 reasons why that film sucked.   

          • wrecksracer-av says:

            You must not talk to black comic fans, who see black Johnny Storm as just regular Johnny Storm in black face. It’s fake inclusion. You don’t think they see that? It’s not at all like Isaiah Washington, who has a plausible backstory, and isn’t just Steve Rogers painted black. Do you see the difference here?

          • nilus-av says:

            Or maybe, and this may be a big step for you, black comic fans are not a monolith or hive mind that all have the same opinions on things. I have never had a conversation about the movie with a black comic fan who brought it up as a problem.  I’m not saying other black people didn’t like it but I’m saying it’s not a universal. All the F4 movies were bad but black Johnny Storm in the worst one did not make it bad in mine and many other people(of many races and genders) opinions. 

          • wrecksracer-av says:

            maybe you are right. Maybe it’s just my black step children, their friends, and the guys at my local comic book shop all calling him Token Storm.

          • wrecksracer-av says:

            I’m going to add here that if you ask a black man in a room full of white people his feeling on a racial issue, he isn’t going to tell you the way he really feels. I can walk into a comic book store filled with black people and say “What do you think about the crackers trying to throw a bone to the black man with this black Johnny Storm?” and they will tell me how they feel. I’m the minority here. Were you aware that black people don’t consider Italians to be white? Maybe that’s a west side of Chicago thing, too.

          • nilus-av says:

            Are you a bad SNL sketch come to life? You are a caricature of a human being. You are the Steve Buscemi 30 Rock meme but it’s “How do you do, fellow Black people. How about those crackers. I’m from the WEST SIDE OF CHICAGO!”(SNL laugh track kicks in).I have ABSOLUTELY no idea what it’s like living in the west side of Chicago. I grew up in the far away city of Cicero, so absolutely no idea what the area of the city I could LITERAL(and often did) walk to was like. In my experience if a white guy came into a comic shop full of black guys and said “What do you think about the crackers trying to throw a bone to the black man with this black Johnny Storm?” They’d get their ass laughed out of their so hard you could hear it in Berwyn. Also me(not white) and my friends(some black) have been harassed by enough Italian cops to definitely consider them white for the sake of “fuck the white man” vibes.  Also go into a room full of Italians and tell them that black people don’t think they are white and watch how fast you get your teeth knocked out.

          • wrecksracer-av says:

            Italians know good and well that they weren’t considered white from the 20s through the 50s in America. It’s a historical fact. My grandpa was from Sicily. The “negros” of Italy. Check the proximity to Africa. Anyway, the director of FF3 stated that he wanted a black man on the team to reflect “current demographics.” What does that sound like? Token. It was a dumb decision in a movie full of dumb decisions. Good luck with the new FF film. It looks like they hired a poodle to play Johnny Storm.

      • thuesing-av says:

        The character she is playing is a woman in the comics you absolute donut.

    • gterry-av says:

      It is so weird that a certain percentage of fans will freak out about casting a beautiful woman in a comic book movie.

  • darkbane77-av says:

    Sure….absolutely no reason for Marvel fans to be upset that a fan favorite character is NOT going to be the character they are familiar with but another character that just is similar. Women ….alien….wombat….doesn’t really matter, it’s NOT the Surfer that has become iconic…..thus the frustration.

  • CountDriveula-av says:

    It seems like a way to add diversity to the cast while also pissing off half the fan base. Par for the course for current-phase Marvel films these days. Fantastic Four has failed basically every time they’ve made it into a film, so I have low expectations.The fact that you had to make a story with “Please be normal about” in the title suggests you acknowledge this is going to be a problem for folks. Casting her as a different herald would be a way to have her in the film and not piss people off, but Disney makes terrible decisions these days.

    • killa-k-av says:

      I don’t understand the Silver Surfer mythos very well because Fantastic Four was always a bit too goofy for me, but if I’m reading this article correctly, isn’t that exactly what they’re doing? Casting Julia Garner not as Norin Radd but as his wife who, again just going off this article so correct me if I’m wrong, was a “different herald” like you’re asking for?

  • wrecksracer-av says:

    My hope was that they wouldn’t make the same mistake with past FF films. They didn’t stay true to the source material. This will probably be another Marvel film that I wait to see the reviews first.

    • stalkyweirdos-av says:

      “The only way this movie will be good is if all of the dialogue is Stan Lee dialogue from the 60s!”

      • wrecksracer-av says:

        It is kind of the charm of the FF. Part of the reason Thor works is because they retained his corniness.

        • stalkyweirdos-av says:

          That has all evolved through the comics and the movies to keep what works (formal Asgardians, if not as stilted as Stan had them; the Thing’s old-fashioned New York Jewish tough guy slang) and got rid of everything that is dated or was always bad.No Marvel film “sticks to the source material,” because most of that source material is dated and worked around even in the comics.  They have (mostly) done a good job of keeping what is essential and changing/updating everything else.  The gender of the Silver Surfer is not essential to any story.

          • wrecksracer-av says:

            I still read FF and Thor. What is missing in today’s comics? The corniness. No matter how you slice it, you have people dressed up in ridiculous costumes doing things that aren’t possible. Lean into it. I would watch the shit out of a FF movie titled “LO….the Watcher Cometh.” Maybe it’s just nostalgia.

          • stalkyweirdos-av says:

            What’s even the point of an adaptation that doesn’t adapt?The comics still exist regardless of little departures.  When it’s something critical (e.g., Deadpool in Wolverine Origins), the complaints make sense.  When it’s a change that doesn’t really affect shit, you should probably get over it.

          • wrecksracer-av says:

            I’m already over it. I’ll just download it for free instead of seeing it in a theater. Too bad, because I love going to the movies.

          • stalkyweirdos-av says:

            You’re over it because the alien who becomes Silver Surfer didn’t originally have a penis before becoming a cosmic-powered eunuch?That’s a take, I suppose.

          • wrecksracer-av says:

            actually, I wasn’t thinking about penises. You apparently are.

          • stalkyweirdos-av says:

            I’m sorry that you are forced to acknowledge the existence of girls.

          • wrecksracer-av says:

            I’m sorry you think of penises all day long

          • nilus-av says:

            I’m sorry you don’t 

          • stalkyweirdos-av says:

            Dude, I’m not the one who can’t handle female characters.Just make your own slash fic! Problem solved.

          • simplepoopshoe-av says:

            Because the Surfer is a girl… really dude? 

          • wrecksracer-av says:

            It’s because the last 3 films couldn’t stick to the original storyline, and neither can this one

    • i-miss-splinter-av says:

      They didn’t stay true to the source material.

      Oh no! Adaptations change things, that’s literally what the word “adapt” means.

      • wrecksracer-av says:

        yeah, remember when they made Huckleberry Flynn black? Oh, that’s right….they didn’t. Because that would be stupid.

  • the1969dodgechargerfan-av says:

    Now why exactly is the lady dressed as if she walked off the live-action set of Frozen?

  • thegobhoblin-av says:
  • dudebra-av says:

    Can’t we compromise and have Yngwie as Morg?It’s uncanny.

  • hami83-av says:

    All I care about is if the film is written well which isn’t a trend Marvel has been good at recently.

  • weirdstalkersareweird-av says:

    Okay.

  • shronkey-av says:

    I think she’s too talented to be slumming it in a post End Game MCU movie. 

  • hcd4-av says:

    I’m fine with it. There’s a slight fannish pang in me about, wait, one of the characters I love is when you start being a little less conservative but whatever.I am going to opine though: a Chloe Zhao’s Malick-esque the Loneliness of the Long Distance Surfer, the immigrant story of Norrin Radd trapped on Earth until he can break free, whereupon he stares at stars forming for the entire last third of the runtime movie exists rent free in my head instead of Eternals as the arthouse Silver Surfer movie that will never be.

  • manosoffate123-av says:

    Hahaha no shotWelcome to Outrage Nation

  • liffie420-av says:

    I REFUSE to have some *gasp* woman play the SS but not because she’s a girl, but because her hair looks like Ramen fucking noodles LOL, actually she’s delightful, and screw all the people pissing and moaning.

  • esh23-av says:

    Um… any editors here anymore? She did not pick up part of a fireplace to become Silver surfer. It’s “mantle” not “mantel.” 

  • spiraleye-av says:

    If ‘normal’ means dissing Joe Satriani’s music, I’ll stay on this side of weird, thanks.

  • stalkyweirdos-av says:

    It will never not be funny that a corporation making the cast of an adaptation more diverse than it originally was to capture a wider audience beyond the just white children targeted by the original comic books is “woke.”This isn’t woke capitalism, it’s just capitalism, kids.

    • seven-deuce-av says:

      No, it’s woke capitalism, “kids” and it will never not be funny that it translates to less $$$ at the box office.Diversity for diversity’s sake does not sell.

    • nilus-av says:

      I feel like even the outrage machine that comes of these casting announcements is planned for as these hateful idiots don’t realize the old “No such thing as bad press” rule. What is funny is the fact that the worst people on the internet are convinced that Marvel and DCs current down turn in the theaters is because of their internet mobilization against “WOKE CONTENT” and not just the fact that the movies have suffered from serious quality issues. Similar to how they are also sure the Suicide Squad game failed because of “Sweet Baby Woke Content” and not because it was another shitty live service game no one wanted

  • artikayla-av says:

    This is fine. Mainly because they wanted a balanced cast so they drew from existing characters, rather than race swapping or gender swapping an established character. I feel pretty upset when they drastically change an existing character, as it takes something away, but we have so many other characters that we could use. Ironman was not such a popular character before the first Ironman film.

  • somethgingsomethingobscure-av says:

    More like Borin’ Sadd if you ask me.

  • bobbier-av says:

    Fatigue has set in. I dont think anyone will care at all anymore, because no one cares about marvel anymore at all.  This film will bomb like all the recent others.

  • seven-deuce-av says:

    Would be fun to actually have the definitive and first version version of the Silver Surfer, Norrin Radd, appear in these films.

  • thepowell2099-av says:

    just an aside but isn’t it nice now AVC has comments back that articles like this attract hundreds of comments.

    • dingdingdongding-av says:

      And they censor all the comments that they don’t like, so they’d have a lot more if the modern media weren’t synonymous with censorship. 

  • asdfqwerzxcvasdf-av says:

    Isn’t this author one of the ones who are always writing AV Club essays in defense of all kinds of weirdos, and calling anyone a bigot who claims to be “normal?” So who is he, now, to make fun of weirdos or tell anyone to act normal?

  • rafterman00-av says:

    “I’m Danzig, motherfucker!”

  • ramplevel-av says:

    This new shaming strategy is elegant but, it will backfire. You’ve literally given them a reason to hate it and you. That isn’t going to translate into box office dollars or success. In fact, quite the opposite. I’ve seen this new strategy all over the internet now. How does one think a negative campaign turns into a positive thing? Lol.

  • luasdublin-av says:

    Turns out she’s actually playing H.E.R.B.I.E 

  • dingdingdongding-av says:

    “I said put a diverse chick in it, and make her lame and gay!”

  • jimmyjamessuperkaratemonkeydeathcar-av says:

    Let me guess, Shalla-Bal has ALWAYS been your favorite version of the Silver Surfer, and Shalla-Bal is TOTALLY a BETTER Silver Surfer than Norrin Radd.
    Even though you never heard of her until yesterday.
    And given that the Norrin Radd version has not been done well on-screen yet, it TOTALLY makes sense to do the C-List version of the Silver Surfer this time around.
    Okay, dude. 

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