Saturday Night Live recap: Shane Gillis stumbles back into Studio 8H
The fired former cast member relies more on bro humor than button-pushing in an uneven episode
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Saturday Night Live has never been above a ratings ploy—the powers that be (ahem, Lorne Michaels) have routinely tapped controversial figures to host the sketch-comedy show over the years, from polarizing POTUS Donald Trump to tech douche Elon Musk. (And sometimes it likes to sprinkle in a nonsensical Dave Chapelle cameo for literally no reason.)
So it wasn’t all that surprising that Studio 8H would welcome back Shane Gillis (with musical guest 21 Savage), the former SNL cast member who, a mere four days into his show tenure, was fired back in 2019 after instances of him using anti-Asian and homophobic language were resurfaced online. (Ironically, Gillis would have joined the show the very same season as Bowen Yang, the show’s first Chinese American cast member, who has not been shy about his displeasure over some of the casting choices this season.)
Despite Gillis’ firing, the 36-year-old comic has had a very successful five years since that scandal, with Netflix specials (Shane Gillis: Beautiful Dogs was released last September), The New Yorker profiles, and, you know, a whole-ass hosting gig on Saturday Night Live. Yet, while news of his casting no doubt prompted curious viewers to tune in to his “cancel culture” victory lap, his choppy comeback episode was less flagrant and more forgettable.
Cold open of the week: It’s a little too real
This week’s political cold open was a depressingly accurate one: Senators Tim Scott (Devon Walker), James Risch (Mikey Day), Lindsey Graham (James Austin Johnson) and Marco Rubio (Marcello Hernandez) gab about their shared bully—Donald Trump, natch—who they 100-percent still endorse despite doxing Graham during a rally and saying Black people like him better “now that he has a mugshot.” (“Yeah, my man got street cred!” Walker’s Tim Scott cheers.) The bit runs too long, but it’s dutifully skewering and has the same stomach-turning effect as watching a friend continuously take back the fuckboy who broke her heart.
Opening monologue: From controversy to cringe
Remember Jo Koy’s catastrophic opening monologue at the Golden Globes last month? Shane Gillis gage him some serious competition here. The comic rightly addressed the elephant in the room early on: “Most of you probably have no idea who I am. I was actually—I was fired from this show a while ago. But if, you know, don’t look that up, please, if you don’t know who I am. Please, don’t Google that. It’s fine. Don’t even worry about it.”
Brushing off the backlash, Gillis segued into jokes about his family, including his niece with Down syndrome (“It almost got me!”), but the majority of the punchlines notably didn’t land with the uneasy studio audience (including the stone-faced band behind him). The host’s discomfort was palpable, made even more apparent by the fact that his usual stand-up schtick wouldn’t fly with NBC censors: “Look, I don’t have any material that can be on TV, all right? I’m trying my best. Also, this place is extremely well-lit. I can see everyone not enjoying it.” Big yikes.
Best sketch of the night: White Men Can Trump
Gillis did considerably better in the show’s pre-taped bits, including a faux-mercial for Rock Bottom Kings—a FanDuel-esque app that lets you to wager on how far your betting buddies will sink into gambling addiction—and this fake movie trailer for White Men Can Trump, a comedy starring Gillis as Gordon Dwyer, an unathletic doofus who gains the unfettered bravado of a certain politician when he’s magically gifted a pair of Donald Trump’s new gold high-top sneakers. “They gave me the power to say I’m good at basketball, then double down on that until people actually start to believe it!” Gordon proclaimed. Gillis’ Trump impression was spot-on, and his Donald-off with Johnson’s version was a good kicker.
Most pointed sketch of the night: The Floor
Hosted by Michael Longfellow’s eerily accurate Rob Lowe, “The Floor” featured contestants trying to identify as many photos as they can for a cash prize. “History buff” David felt confident in being able to recognize famous historical figures, but faltered at the sight of Black icons like Frederick Douglass, Martin Luther King, Jr. and Aretha Franklin. (“Huge fan of her. Pass!”) “You don’t know who Oprah is?!” Heidi Gardner’s fellow competitor asked incredulously, to which David yelled: “Of course I know who Oprah is, I’m just afraid to get it wrong on the TV!” With David only able to correctly identify Cleveland Brown from Family Guy, the bit would be a funny jab at ignorant white men if Shane Gillis weren’t also, you know, an ignorant white man.
MVP of the night: Ego Nwodim’s Father Lawrence
We’ll give props to Bowen Yang’s fantastically bitchy Truman Capote that popped up at the “Weekend Update” desk to celebrate Women’s History Month (“Women are like kombucha—they’re full of yeast and they’re technically alive”), but Ego Nwodim’s Jamaican preacher might be the most delightfully unhinged we’ve seen the comedienne so far. This was one Sunday sermon we’ll be happy to revisit.
Stray observations
- Speaking of “Weekend Update,” there were some pacing issues with Marcello Hernandez’s cameo as a frozen embryo from Alabama, but we did enjoy his takedown of Vanderpump Rules’ resident villain—“I don’t got a brain, I don’t got a heart, I’m like Tom Sandoval…even without eyes, I can see that Tom is a pure narcissist”—as did the whooping in-person audience. (Seriously, people, stop trying to make the Sandoval apology tour happen.)
- After a few weeks off, we’re back with a stretch of fresh episodes, including next week’s edition with Madame Web starlet Sydney Sweeney as host (do we think they’ll go the Jacob Elordi route and talk about nothing but her looks?) and Kacey Musgraves as musical guest. Dune: Part Two actor Josh Brolin will take the hosting reins on March 9, with pop icon Ariana Grande performing.
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Christina Izzo looks like Shane Gillis in a wig.
I’d rather fuck Shane though.
Brando and Dave: so now we’re goofing on the writers’ physical appearances? Can we just stick to shitting on their questionable writing/editing skills and bad takes? Fuck off with that personal shit.
He’s been cool and edgy why can’t you see this for the groundbreaking comedy this…….. was in the early 90s.
We’ve seen your other comments. We know you want to fuck Shane.Sad thing is… he’d turn you down.
The truth hurts.
I’d rather fuck your dad than your mom but your mom is sluttier.
I think you’d be disappointed either way.
And neither of them would ever in a million years fuck you, so get off Shane’s dick.
He seems like a jovial guy and it was a fun episode. Quite different from all the “racist makes demeaning jokes about people with disabilities“ buildup some people have tried to make happen.
I’d go for a B, because there wasn’t a single sketch I wanted to fast forward through (except for the cold open of course).
Yang and Sherman seemed happy on stage at the end.
Yeah. Sherman seems enjoying the skits the most. Especially that fugly sex doll part.
She also seemed game in the tv spot I saw her do with him. Im not gonna take sides but if the Squirm is okay with him so am I
“racist makes demeaning jokes about people with disabilities“
Did you think NBC was gonna actually allow that sorta stuff on the show? People just didn’t want the guy getting more exposure because his off the cuff stuff on his podcast was just saying slurs for shock value.
I mean except his monologue where he did make some iffy jokes about people with Down syndrome and used “gay” like it was twenty years ago.
What use of the word “gay” did you find problematic?
The whole little boys are “gay” for their mother bit. It wasn’t funny to me and it felt very 2000s gamer edge lord.
Comedy not supposed to be funny. Comedy supposed to push boundaries from 2000s.
Maybe I’m misunderstanding you or maybe you misunderstood Gillis?I’m familiar with the phrase “being gay for something” which I agree is a lazy, homophobic way of saying someone loves something, but that’s not what Gillis was saying. He was saying that as a child, his relationship with his mom was like the relationship between a straight woman and a gay male friend. The “gay best friend” is a real thing (some of the dudes I used to drink with after work called themselves “fag hags” which is their business), and there’s nothing homophobic about Gillis invoking that image, even if it’s only mildly funny.
If what you’re saying is true… Gillis still failed. Comedy is on a very basic level, about communicating effectively.
/Rolling my eyes
I noticed you use commas incorrectly
“iffy jokes” Meanwhile he acknowledged he was touched by downs, and has family members with it who CLEARLY have a better sense of humor than you.
Told a joke “like it was 20 years” is this dude’s entire schtick and appeal.
His “iffy” stories about Downs stem from his own family. He volunteers at Special Olympics and has great relationships with Downs relatives and family. Get over yourself.
Yeah, we don’t actually know how Yang and Sherman feel about Gillis. The AV Club seems to assume that his presence would obviously be deeply offensive to them. But I think comedians tend to pretty forgiving to fellow comedians who tell jokes that don’t land right. And I don’t think it’s impossible to draw a distinction between Gillis and someone like Chapelle, who seems to have made being anti-woke his entire personality.
Considering Yang hugged him on camera at the end, I’d assume he was fine with all of it.
I’m not sure Gillis is so far off in the whole personality thing. If he had no material appropriate for network television, that tells you a lot about the kind of stuff he talks about, and I don’t buy that it’s just cuss words.
Shane and Bowen follow and like each other on social media since long before Shane hosted. Maybe Bowen just isn’t as soft as you.
I was surprised that he went with so much new material.
Truly can’t believe you’re letting him off for not making racist jokes on national television. Could the bar be any lower? Then again, you’re an SNL viewer, so I guess not.
As Britta once said “I can excuse racism, but I draw the line at missing your cue”.
Also, maybe it helps that I’m not American, so not in a constant state of rage at how things are going over there.
I thought the line was, “I can excuse racism, but I draw the line at animal cruelty.”
Yes, yes it was, but he missed a lot of his of his cues in sketches. I’m not used to 1.5 second silences between lines.
Quite different from all the “racist makes demeaning jokes about people with disabilities“ buildup some people have tried to make happen.At least here, in the comments of the article about him hosting there were maybe two people who were disappointed. Most of the comments were some variation of “who?” There were plenty of people defending him and then some whining about cancel culture and stuff. The only people who were maybe trying to make that happen are writers desperate for engagement. On an unrelated note, my pi-hole ad blocker went down and I’m experiencing this site with ads for the first time in a while. It’s a lot, but also some of them are ….kind of amazing?
“Quite different from all the ‘racist makes demeaning jokes about people with disabilities’ buildup some people have tried to make happen”Except nobody said he was going to do that on the show. They said he had done that in the past and they didn’t like it.
Watching the monologue on Youtube – he didn’t bomb. There was an awkward quiet bit when he first brought up Down Syndrome but overall he made it work. Still shouldn’t be hosting – but I bet he made a few new fans tonight. Thanks SNL for giving yet another awful person a national audience.
Awful person…for making jokes. Gotcha.He’s already got a national audience. I don’t find him funny yet I still don’t think he’s a Nazi. How about that.
Can’t there be a middle ground where Shane Gillis is allowed to make bad jokes and be forgiven, but we also still let people be trans and we consider the Nazis to be bad?
of course, but it’s who we consider Nazis that is the problem. The AVClub quite literally said Dave Chappelle put trans people’s lives in danger. that’s preposterous. how are we to have middle ground with that kind of poisonous politics? whole swathes of the population have been written off. and Gillis proves they aren’t evil; maybe just gauche. and they are utterly vilified on a regular basis. i don’t see much forgiveness on the part of the progressives.
I don’t think anyone considers Dave Chapelle a Nazi. The issue is that you’re taking their pumped up clickbait rhetoric and taking it up more degrees. Taking a headline of “Dave Chapelle delegitimized Transsexuality” to “The AV Club said Dave Chapelle put a hit on Transwomen” to “Dave Chapelle is a Nazi to Transsexuals Jews”
Again, the AVClub said he endangers their lives. not that he delegitimizes them; that he was a danger to their existence. and it’s not me calling him a Nazi. the progs need no help pumping up their rhetoric.
I don’t read everything this site says, but that seems a bit ridiculous. That doesn’t make your ridiculousness more justified. If anything it just makes their points look more legitimate by comparison.
my ridiculousness? okay, sure, the progressive left never demonizes people, which is why they call certain black people the black faces of white supremacy and call jews Nazis and liberals conservatives and why they write think pieces about how straight black men are the white men of the black community, or why entire elite universities meltdown over the words “Trump 2020″ written in fucking chalk and openly claim it was the work of LiTeRAl NaZIs. i’ve got examples for days if you’d like, but that would just be more ridiculousness on my part 🙂
Yes, your ridiculousness. You are the one who started in with the Nazi shit here, remember?
“and liberals conservatives”
You are still not a liberal. You literally want to take people’s rights away.
“they call certain black people the black faces of white supremacy and call jews Nazis and liberals conservatives”…what
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-08-20/recall-candidate-larry-elder-is-a-threat-to-black-californianshttps://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2018-07-03/ty-article/co-founder-of-the-verge-slams-ben-shapiro/0000017f-da72-dc0c-afff-db7b3f2a0000https://www.thenation.com/article/culture/always-that-guy-bill-mahers-pliable-right-wing-brand/
I’m going to need waaaaay more links than that. Two randos do not represent ‘liberals’. Also, Maher’s not a liberal but a libertarian.Get back to work.
It’s almost – ALMOST – like the weird, redpilled chud set is just as addicted to online validation as they imagine the people they hate are.“A girl with blue hair was mean to me online so I’m gonna adopt a WHOLE-ASS ANTISOCIAL PERSONALITY ABOUT IT!” So fucking weird.But, hey, I guess PragerU gets their money from somewhere. Might as well be these grift-susceptible fuckos.
Honestly, how does this troll keep getting ungreyed?
We’re circling the drain, weathering multiple/simultaneous existential threats, and people want to punch something in a low-stakes environment?That’d be what my money is on. Anyway, people should be more pissed about this sort of thing, particularly the self-styled “liberty lovers” out there: https://newrepublic.com/post/179247/jack-posobiec-democracy-cpac-2024I guess that whining about the hott taeks of leftist bloggers is more important than being mad about, say, a political operative talking about ending democracy at one of the largest political conferences in the country.It’s almost – *almost* – like intellectual consistency is a problem for them!
Examples usually provide actual examples rather than fever dreams you made up with your hand in your undies.
https://www.theroot.com/straight-black-men-are-the-white-people-of-black-people-1814157214https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2018-07-03/ty-article/co-founder-of-the-verge-slams-ben-shapiro/0000017f-da72-dc0c-afff-db7b3f2a0000 https://theracquet.org/10593/news/uwl-students-react-to-trump-2020-and-discriminatory-sidewalk-chalking/Eat shit.
Are you off your meds?
“the progs need no help pumping up their rhetoric.”
Then why are YOU the one taking it to 11 by pulling out Nazi?
Recognitions, is this one of your burner accounts?
It’s ok when squealing righti- er I mean principled centrists exaggerate what dangerous left-wing radical corporations say because they’re very principled people who are principled.
Speaking of funny things… Isn’t it funny how “centrists” only ever complain about “libtards”and “leftist progressives”, but never have much bad to say about MAGA.
They have their role, and they embrace it with a languid, excuse-ful shrug.
They literally said he put trans lives in danger. With his stand-up routine. That kind of inflammatory hyperbole is poisonous no matter which side is spewing it. Let’s remember there may still be people out there who actually take AV Club seriously.
Ding ding ding! You are winner!
“The AVClub quite literally said Dave Chappelle put trans people’s lives in danger. that’s preposterous.”
I know it’s hard for you to grasp because you are3 dumb as hell, but speech still matters and still has an effect on the world. AUTOMATOR.
“how are we to have middle ground with that kind of poisonous politics?”
There is no middle ground with you because you are dishonest and mired in your victim narrative. You don’t know middle ground. Caring about people isn’t poisonous, YOU are.
Dehumanizing people does help put them in danger. Keep up.
If the way people talk about things doesn’t matter – which is what you claim when you say people like Chappelle have no influence – why are you worried abotu what people say abtou Sahne Gillis?Either words can influence actions or they cant.You seem to think people you disagree with have an ability to force people to change their minds against their will… and nothing people you agree with can influence others. It’s a weird ass, illogical take.
That has nothing whatsoever to do with Gillis, you vacuous bobblehead.
Lots of people are living in that middle ground. Just not online.
No , basically everything needs to be a good/bad , no middle ground. Otherwise people online will start actually being reasonable and thinking and the Internet will stop working.
NO, that guy has to bitch and moan and invents things you said if what you said wasn’t complain worthy enough for him.
You do realize you can be an awful person for making jokes, right?If you don’t, please let me know the next time a family member of yours dies. I’ll come to the funeral and do some stand-up about them and how much they reminded me of sex offenders. It’s just jokes, so I’m sure you’ll be ok with it
jokes onstage or on a comedy podcast are not to be taken seriously. only a moron would take comedy seriously, right? a funeral is not a fucking open mic night. nice try.
https://www.un.org/en/hate-speech/understanding-hate-speech/hate-speech-and-real-harmhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/11/30/how-online-hate-speech-is-fueling-real-life-violence/https://www.coe.int/en/web/european-commission-against-racism-and-intolerance/hate-speech-and-violencehttps://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-hateful-rhetoric-connects-to-real-world-violence/
Speech matters.
Hate speech doesn’t exist under our Constitution, deal with it, Dana,
That’s an amazingly stupid thing to say. Nothing in the Constitution says hate speech doesn’t exist. It absolutely exists. It’s not ILLIGAL.
Facts! Deal with them asshole.
the fucking supreme court ruled that there is no hate speech exception to the first amendment. it literally does not exist except in the minds of those seeking protected status, those seeking power, and those seeking censorship. Eat shit, stalker fuck up elf twat
That’s why I said it wasn’t ILLIGAL dummy, how you you keep breathing with no brain? Nothin in the Constitution says IT DOESN’T EXIST. It absolutely exists.
They actually do not recognize it as a form of speech. Who else should be the arbiter? YOU and your prog buddies? get fucked. it exists in the heads of the censors, those seeking power, and those seeking victimhood status. eat shit.
What the fuck does that even mean “they don’t recognize it as a form of speech”? Do you mean in some legal sense?
How about the dictionary defines words and terms? Hate speech is ver real and is defined by the intent of the speaker. Being legal doesn’t change the fact that it does exist and you are retarded.
hate speechnoun: speech expressing hatred of a particular group of people
THAT OBVIOUSLY FUCKING EXISTS. REALITY S NOT A CONSPIRACY TO HAVE POWER OVER YOU. YOUR BRAIN IS ROTTED BY YOUR CONSPIRACY VICTIM NARRATIVE.
And let’s not forget you are still a pussy in denial. Redlining is explicitly racist and happening now. That is systematic racism. That’s in addition to the previous science you had a meltdown over after you bothered to pay attention to the proof YOU put forth and realized it all said you were wrong.In order to be logically consistent you have to admit that either King isn’t liberal or the CRT proponents you vilify as illiberal are just as liberal as he is for having the same views.science > you
REALITY IS NOT A CONSPIRACY AGAINST YOU.
“only a moron would take comedy seriously, right?”And yet, here you are fighting political battles about comedy.
My dad and most people his age would probably get a kick out of that. This is what I’m getting at with my comment, why can’t there be a middle ground between hating progressivism and hating Shane Gillis?
So its down to timing then? Make a good roast style joke about someone looking like a sex offender , and if its funny it’ll go down well , even with the person and their family if they have a sense of humour . Do it at their funeral though..and oh boy ! Same with the dumb ‘dead baby’ jokes edgy kids told in school , can be funny in a black comedy kind of way , but telling it to someone you know who lost a kid ..thats massively cruel and nasty.
I mean sure…but the situation you described is nothing like a comedian doing his act in a comedy club or in comedy skits.You would be an asshole if you went to someone’s funeral and did just about anything other than silently observe and offer condolances to the loved ones of the deceased.
So you agree the statement “it’s just jokes” is stupid, and more context is needed.
If you’re trying to prove youareinfire’s point, you’re doing a great job.Maybe take it down a notch.
I’m just exceptionally tired of intellectual cowards thinking no one has to be responsible for their words if they say it’s a joke.4chan/GamerGate/incel communities are full of that. It’s childish and dumb. Alex Jones tried it with his lawsuit. He’s about to have his estate liquidated. Rightfully
Or you know, the content of the jokes? But you’d have to be more than a fucking moron to understand something basic like that.
Why are YOU the one bringing up Nazi’s? Are your complaints just not fun enough if you don’t start with the dishonesty right away?
shitty “jokes” that shit on people for no particular reason
Is this Gillis’ account?Do you have an investment in this guy? Are you his mom?
If he’s such a big deal, he surely doesn’t need your pathetic ass arguing with everybody on his behalf.With fans as level headed as yourself, he must be great.
$5 says this tool got brought out of the grays by the herb.
You need to suck someone else’s dick
God forbid someone just make jokes and try to be funny. better if his entire monologue was trashing Elon and Trump right?
I feel like we watched a different monologue.
oh no, not bro humor…whatever that is. SNL obviously made a mistake firing him as he’s pretty big now, “off color” BRO humor and all. it’s almost as if most people don’t judge comics on their politics. huh.good to see AVClub is still obsessed with non-event Dave Chappelle walking onstage for a minute. you know, the comic they literally said put people’s lives in danger.can the AVClub shut the fuck up with their progressive bullshit for one article? no, no they cannot.
Just cause they’re wrong doesn’t make you right. Why can’t you just take a center ground and be like “they acted impulsively because of internet outrage”, instead you come at it with an attack on Progressives just to make it so that the position of “I think Shane Gillis shouldn’t have been fired so quickly” with “I think gender is determined at birth and Trump won the 2020 election”
What? When did I take a position on gender and Trump? Are you okay?
Please don’t engage this troll. Just look at their discussion history and you’ll see their serious lack of empathy. It’s a waste of time and energy to argue with them. You will never change their position or their mind.
No the most important thing about comedy is how inclusive it is and how much it shits on white dudes. This site is utter dreck. No wonder it’s so dead now.
Those poor white dudes. Sorry if you weren’t able to capitalize on your privilege before people started calling out your shitty behavior.
Does sad, unimpressive white dude need a hug? Sounds like you need a hug.
Stay triggered, snowflake.
And you’re still here!
No the most important thing about comedy is how inclusive it is and how much it shits on white dudes. This site is utter dreck. No wonder it’s so dead now.
Stop reading, or do you just like being outraged and ranting?
i like calling out progressive bullshit. we all have our things.
You like feeding your victim narrative and denying reality. Your “call out” are hypocritical bullshit and rarely even true.
And let’s not forget you are still a pussy in denial. Redlining is explicitly racist and happening now. That is systematic racism. That’s in addition to the previous science you had a meltdown over after you bothered to pay attention to the proof YOU put forth and realized it all said you were wrong.In order to be logically consistent you have to admit that either King isn’t liberal or the CRT proponents you vilify as illiberal are just as liberal as he is for having the same views.science > you
Is he? I mean he “internet” big but that doesn’t mean he is “host SNl” big. Although I guess that bar is going down every week it seems
Yes, he is. He sells out every venue he plays in a matter of minutes. Just because agingAV Club hipsters don’t know him, doesn’t mean he’s not big.
Yes, he is. He consistently is selling out shows, has a Netflix special, and SNL crawled back to him to host the show.Your salty tears are delicious.
or you could just eat shit
Te fact that youre still too fucking stupid to grasp this is mind-boggling.Trans people are a frequent target of hatred and violence. Dave Chapelle has a massive platform and a legion of followers who think of him as a role ,model. when said influential role model stupidly uses his platform to spread more hatred about trans people and frame them as sub-human, there are real world consequences. It makes it that more likely that the people who look up to him will see no problem with treating trans people like shit, which then leads to even more violence and discrimination against trans people. This really shouodnt be hard to grasp. So you’re either disgustingly disingenuous, or alarmingly fucking stupid. I’m actually going to guess that it’s both.
Preposterous, hysterical bullshit and an obvious veiled call for censorship. Chappelle’s jokes…hurt no one. No one. No trans person will die because of a fucking joke, and Chappelle has experience with trans people and actual attempted violence. But I guess the actual physical attack on the man pale in comparison with his…jokes. He’s the oppressor. The victim of actual violence.Protected classes are about power. Google what Voltaire said about people you cannot criticize.
Stop inventing things to hype your bullshit rhetoric.
Your idea that the things people say have no influence in the world is pathetic bullshit to excuse what garbage you personally are.
WORDS MATTER. That’s WHY free speech was so important to the founders of this country, because people SPEAKING out about the government mattered. It influenced the way people thought about things and the actions they wanted to take. This is how people work.
“Google what Voltaire said about people you cannot criticize.”
Fucking ironic given that you are literally telling people they can’t criticize Chappelle, etc.
Nothing but hypocrisy from you.
when did i say you can’t criticize Chappelle? i said no one will fucking die because of his jokes and if you disagree you need to see a fucking shrink.the founders enumerated speech, but progs don’t want it for everyone, so stfu about that shit, too. and the trans lobby is FUCKING POWERFUL. the fucking state department just released a memo that all government employees used gender neutral language and avoid using words like mother and father. so fucking spare me. they are the most quickly championed “victim” group in history, meaning…they ain’t fucking victims.eat shit, stalker elf cunt.
It’s literally what you are here bitching about.
YOU are the one who literally called for taking people’s free speech rights away, like legally. Meanwhile you are here bitching that some people don’t like what others say and talk about that.
Other people caring about how people are treated is not some scheme to get power over you. JFC And yes, transgender people absolutely still face considerable bigotry in this society, including law specifically targeting them. You are so fucking in denial it’s retarded.
You are a fucking moron.Your quote is not from Voltaire. It’s from Kevin Alfred Strom who is a literal and self-identified white nationalist. Why are you quoting neo-Nazis?
oh noes, someone steered me wrong on the internet. my bad.meanwhile, the fucking state department just demanded that all government employees use gender neutral language and avoid such words as mother and father. but sure, trans people have no power, no cultural cache, and are helpless victims that will die because of jokes.why are you hyping the fucking government’s plan for censorship and compelled speech?
LOL look at you downplay your idiocy/dishonesty. This is why you do shit like call opinion pieces scientific studies. Just dishonest to your fucking core.
Why do you lie so fucking much?
Not going to engage with your Gish Gallop as you impotently try to redirect the conversation.Misinformed or not, you support your philosophy with the writings of a Neo-Nazi and convicted child pornographer.No one with a satisfying life is as angry and hateful as you are, and that’s satisfaction enough for me. Have a nice life. Kisses.
Wow a two sentence long gish gallop, ok. how do you get anywhere or follow cooking instructions if you cannot process a two sentence “gish gallop” LOL?i feel for an internet hoax. my bad. i said mea culpa.what’s your excuse?tootles!
The point was that it was deflection but you’d have to have two bran cells to rub together to get that.
You are just a dishonest idiot at all times.
This dude is yet more proof that comedians have multiple career options: they can be funny, or they say shit that incels agree with and hence find funny.
Oh look, Magnitude incorrectly used the word incels, yet again. Literally every time. Lmao.
You’re pathetic.
“No one with a satisfying life is as angry and hateful as you are, and that’s satisfaction enough for me.”
LOL. That’s pretty rich coming from you types. Literally every far left progressive is on anti-depressants. Without knowing you, I can confidently say you pop Lexapro daily. Kisses.
Well, add this to the long list of things you’re confident and wrong about. Also, you accidentally replied from your burner. Seek help. This isn’t the life you really want.
Ohhh were you gonna try to turn this into one of those stupid back-and-forths where you insist that everyone telling you you’re a moron is the same person? No, it’s actually just that multiple people think you’re an idiot.“Seek help. This isn’t the life you really want.”Lol, more projection from a terminally online leftist. You have absolute nothing in your life to be happy about, so you take refuge in your online identity as Morally Righteous Guy/Lady™️. Maybe if you go show up in few more comment sections screaming “Trans rights are human rights!” you will have done enough to fix the world. Or maybe you’re accomplishing absolutely nothing. Who’s to say?
You have absolute nothing in your life to be happy about, so you take refuge in your online identity as Morally Righteous Guy/Lady™️. So…wait, is comment section edgelord *not* an online identity, or…?
Always fun when a semi-literate wanders around calling other people dumb. I’m beginning to think that he’s not really my gay dad!Anyhow, always fun when these fuckos wander around taking Wiffle bat whacks at the lowest of hanging fruit and calling their shots like a 5th grader with a Capri Sun worth of sugar swagger (in this case trying to trigger “leftists” or whatever on a c-list blog).Part of me wonders whether they pull the same shtick in, say, QAnon forums, or Trump-friendly forums. The other part of me knows it’s a waste of time to ask.Anyhow, always relevant:
Literally nobody has said anything about triggering anyone, but I’m guessing you just had this stupid image ready to go and really wanted a reason to use it
He’s heavily invested in the idea that white cis men are the only real victims.
uh huh. never mentioned them in this discussion. heavily invested. meanwhile you’ve responded 15 fucking times because you are heavily invested in stalking me, ham whale stalker elf twat.
Yes, you are heavily invested in your victim narrative, it’s why you spend so much time denying reality. Things like hate speech or systematic racism or even bigotry against LGBTQ cannot exist because you are the only victim.
since i’ve provided you with quotes calling for the outright extermination of white people and you haven’t fucking batted an eye, it’s almost as if you have no principles at all and think that middle class people and university students whom the government demands compelled speech for are actually some kind of proletariat. get fucked, get a fucking life.
“since i’ve provided you with quotes calling for the outright extermination of white people”
LOL which one do you claim did that?
I have fucking principles, it’s called the fucking truth. Something you despise and reject. The way you outright lie and then try to say other’s have no principles? LOLOLOOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOL You have no self awareness either.
You just lied and made yet another straw man in that very post! How do you live with yourself and that level of hypocrisy?
lol this one? The goal of abolishing the white race is on its face so desirable that some may find it hard to believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed white supremacists. – Noel Ignatievstrawman, sure. i posted this to your stalker ass weeks ago and you didn’t even fucking blink, but now you believe in hate speech. i guess hate is relative, just like your “truth” and “principles.” perhaps try more nuanced reference sources than a fucking dictionary, you stalker ham whale cunt?
LOL a quote you didn’t post before? Who cares that you found a dude who said something fucked up?
Yes, strawman and you are too fuckin stupid, as usual, to even comprehend what I’m talking about: “and think that middle class people and university students whom the government demands compelled speech for are actually some kind of proletariat.” You literally cannot speak without lying about things people said.
Of course I understand hate speech exists, it’s not a fucking fairy.
“perhaps try more nuanced reference sources than a fucking dictionary”
Spoken like a true righty in denial of facts and truth.
Yeah, he was a real nobody. The New Yorker mourned his passing:https://www.newyorker.com/news/postscript/noel-ignatievs-long-fight-against-whitenessyou legitimately think that middle class people are systematically oppressed. you’ve blathered about it for fucking weeks. strawman my taint.get. a. fucking. life.yes, i’m a righty for (checks notes) understanding that liberals don’t like racism even though it’s not covered by the fucking dictionary you’ve chosen’s one line description of the term.eat. shit. get. life.
You keep acting like one person is speaking for everyone and represents a mainstream position. While screaming at me to be more nuanced than the dictionary.
“you legitimately think that middle class people are systematically oppressed”
Why are you so dishonest? I do not think the middle class as a whole is oppressed. So YES STRAWMAN. I said systematic racism exists and the evidence shows that is a fact. In multiple systems of society. The fact that many black people are middle class doesn’t show that systematic racism is at zero and affects no one. You have no ability to use logic or reason.
“yes, i’m a righty for (checks notes) understanding that liberals don’t like racism
STRAWMAN. YOU ARE DISHONEST TO YOUR FUCKING CORE.
You are a righty for complaining about facts and truth like dictionary definitions when they don’t agree with you narrative.
“the fucking dictionary you’ve chosen”
FUCKING LIAR. The definition of liberal was YOUR DEFINITION. YOU put it forth, YOU said it was the standard.
ALL I said it APPLY IT EVENLY.
“He was critical of simple “anti-racism” efforts precisely because they “admit the natural existence of ‘races’ even while opposing social distinctions among them”.Instead, his abolitionist path was based on a realisation that “race itself is a product of social discrimination; so long as the white race exists, all movements against racism are doomed to fail”.”https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2019/11/17/abolishing-whiteness-has-never-been-more-urgentAnd the context of what he was saying is that we should eliminate the concept of white as a race along with the idea that there are different races. It wasn’t a call to get rid of actual white people.
But you can’t actually do honesty or nuance. Not when it interferes with your victim complex.
A) Race is not socially constructed, he was another postmodern racist. We know race isn’t socially constructed per…biology. B) I’m sure you would be comfortable with a right wing activist wanting to abolish blackness and Jewishness, say, by breaking the black race down into their original tribal origins (same for Jews). You’d be cool with that?C) Take the beam out of your own fucking eye re: nuance, ms. dictionary.
LOL it is socially constructed but that’s not the point, the point is you mischaracterizing what people say. But so much for you being colorblind LOL.I’m not opposed to the getting rid of the idea of races, that would be great for everyone. The other bit is your invention because you are dishonest to your fucking core. And let’s not forget you are still a pussy in denial. Redlining is explicitly racist and happening now. That is systematic racism. That’s in addition to the previous science you had a meltdown over after you bothered to pay attention to the proof YOU put forth and realized it all said you were wrong.In order to be logically consistent you have to admit that either King isn’t liberal or the CRT proponents you vilify as illiberal are just as liberal as he is for having the same views.science > youYou are a pathetic fucking joke and ridiculously out of gas.
race is not a fucking social construct, you po mo loser. Two words: sickle cell. There words: Asians with alcohol. You and the social constructionists are again conflating the fucking past with the present. there IS a white race now, deal with it.i mischaracterized nothing. i’ve sent you endless material about whiteness, white fragility, whiteness as property, the “problem” of whiteness…these people are arch racists who think whites are the oppressor class. get a clue.you’re boring.
The scientific consensus seems to be against you, sorry. I’m sure you’ll just chalk up the fact that there is less genetic variation between races than among them to some conspiracy.
https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2017/science-genetics-reshaping-race-debate-21st-century/
“You and the social constructionists are again conflating the fucking past with the present.”
That literally makes no sense. But again the point was the way you misrepresent things people say and try to act like he wanted to eliminate people instead of the the idea of dividing people up into arbitrary categories based on how they look.
You absolutely misrepresent nearly everything, you are dishonest to your fucking core.
And let’s not forget you are still a pussy in denial. Redlining is explicitly racist and happening now. That is systematic racism. That’s in addition to the previous science you had a meltdown over after you bothered to pay attention to the proof YOU put forth and realized it all said you were wrong.In order to be logically consistent you have to admit that either King isn’t liberal or the CRT proponents you vilify as illiberal are just as liberal as he is for having the same views.science > youYou are a pathetic fucking joke and ridiculously out of gas.
“ i’ve sent you endless material about whiteness, white fragility, whiteness as property, the “problem” of whiteness…these people are arch racists who think whites are the oppressor class.”
So many quotes saying the same things as King! But somehow “the times” make it liberal to judge people based on race sometimes but not others. Says you and only you and nothing else in the world. Because you are just trying to substitute your own bias and hypocrisy for facts.
And let’s not forget you are still a pussy in denial. Redlining is explicitly racist and happening now. That is systematic racism. That’s in addition to the previous science you had a meltdown over after you bothered to pay attention to the proof YOU put forth and realized it all said you were wrong.In order to be logically consistent you have to admit that either King isn’t liberal or the CRT proponents you vilify as illiberal are just as liberal as he is for having the same views.science > you
“obvious veiled call for censorship”A private entity choosing NOT to host a controversial person is not censorship. It’s capitalism.
Censorship is when the government does it.
Trans people are a target of hatred and violence from their own partners.
That’s a fact.
“pretty big now”This is the first time anyone has heard of him since he got fired.HE EVEN JOKED ABOUT THATY FACT
Being a hack who tells 20 year old jokes isn’t a political stance.Stop treating people like Gillis as brave political heroes. They’re not making political stands, and it makes you look foolish to defend them as if they are.
Sounds like you need to work on being less easily offended, cupcake.
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This not being a bad episode was kind of depressing. I wish there was a middle ground, but there isn’t you either have to hate Shane Gillis or you are a crazy right wing lunatic, but even in the comments they all range between “Bowen and Sarah handled themselves professionally” to “Libs btfo” with no middle.I think this is sad because he doesn’t seem like a crazy right wing lunatic and framing people like him to be crazy right wing lunatics is an easy way to turn regular people into crazy right wingers.
Theres a tinfoil hat style conspiracy theory that the “no middle ground “ way of thinking exists to keep people fighting each other and not the people in power ..honestly the universe is too messy for some sort of shadowy elite being able to get away with doing orchestrating that artificially , but it having naturally doesnt hurt keep the rich and powerful stay rich and powerful.
Alright I’m going to say it for everybody out there, it’s okay to be on the left and it’s okay to be on the right and it’s okay to disagree.
Just don’t be assholes to each others (verbally or physically).
It’s also okay to not fully agree with everything your side says or do, and it’s okay to agree with some of the things the other side says or do.
Let us act like grown ups goddamn it.
Except it’s not okay to be on the right. But feel free to explain how you think it’s “okay” to be on the side banning books, stripping gay and trans people of their rights and making them the targets of physical violence, banning anortion and IVF, turning fucking school librarians into felons, fighting against gun control, etc etc. This isn’t like the sides disagree about fucking taxes.“Juat don’t be assholes to eachother.”Jfc… the right’s entire platform is based upon “being assholes” to entire demographics of the population. If you are gay, or trans, or an immigrant, or etc etc, then they are by default “being an asshole” to you, to put it far too kindly. That’s kind of the entire point. But feel free to reach out to, say, the family of the young trans teenager who was beaten to death at school and tell them that they should be nice to the very people whose words and actions directly caused that violence, dipshit.So f**k off with the lame, ignorant, asinine both-sides bullshit and attempts to water down the very real and very dangerous hateful rhetoric and actions of the right.
grow up timothy
they can’t. they’re naive self-absorbed children who believe anyone who mildly disagrees with them isn’t a potential ally and fellow human but a full-scale demon. they’re fascist tyrants masquerading as leftists but are anything but, and their willful ignorance and lack of empathy is terrifying.
look at how they’re conditioned to respond to any civil, normal argument that not everyone who doesn’t follow their rigid groupthink to the letter isn’t a monster – it’s as if you just proclaimed yourself to be Pol Pot. what you actually said doesn’t register. they cannot fathom the existence of those who are generally on their side but might have some constructive criticism to voice, or that they’re fallible. You argue anything against the orthodoxy and the hysterical strawmen disillusion of ‘OH SO YOU’RE A FAR RIGHT BIGOT OKAY THEN’ is automated. It’s pure gaslighting.
I bet you really hate Jon Stewart too.
Didn’t read any of your bullshit after the first line. Yep, it’s okay to be on the right. Nobody outside of your little bubble thinks this stupid way, you’re not morally righteous, you’re just an annoying twat on the internet thinking he’s a hero while doing nothing useful. Cry more.
Which books are being banned? The ones with strong sexual content being put in elementary and middle schools?
Most of us are ok with that regardless of political sides.
What rights are being stripped from the LGBTQ+ community? Drag shows with children present?Again, most of us are ok with those being stripped.Inciting that people be targets of physical violence? You think that’s a left or right thing? That’s the norm now. For all, sadly. Don’t act like there aren’t examples that you are probably fine with because “our side” said it.
Gun control. Let me guess, where we go after rifles? Not the handguns used in the vast majority of all violent crime?I own rifles and shotguns. Never used them for anything nefarious, so why am I the bad guy? Plenty of laws on the books against guns used nefariously. Doesn’t seem to make a difference. Assholes to immigrants, or illegal immigrants? Gonna pretend there’s no difference?
The fact that you don’t see that you are an extremist is what’s pushing the regular left-leaning people to the right. But you’ll never understand or accept that, and that is why we are about to lose in November, and maybe forever.
Ironically (given the narrative that seems to have grown up around him) Gillis actually has a routine where he describes somebody becoming a Republican with the line “OK, now it’s time to be a prick about everything”.
It’s also okay to not fully agree with everything your side says or do, and it’s okay to agree with some of the things the other side says or do. I mean…dude, this was barely a few days ago:https://newrepublic.com/post/179247/jack-posobiec-democracy-cpac-2024And that’s not some fringe QAnon “rally” of 10 dudes at a shitty state fair, that’s fucking CPAC. And just this morning, Ronna McDaniel resigned from the RNC (wasn’t enough of a Trump hack, apparently), thus paving the way for Trump to stick his fucking daughter in law as chair, thus clearing the way for Trump to use RNC funds to pay his legal bills.The conservatism that I “agreed with some of” is fucking dead. It has congealed into a home for grifting fucks trying to seize the wheel of the country and drive it into a fucking ditch.I mean…there something I’m missing?
I think what you’re missing is we’re talking about a singular comedian whose voice is not representative of CPAC, of Jack Probosiec, or Donald Trump, or whoever else you’re trying to shoehorn him in with.
Re-read. The post you’re replying to is not talking about Shane Gillis, and the post *I* was replying to wasn’t talking about Shane Gillis.Specifically, I was replying to this bit (which I even quoted):“It’s also okay to not fully agree with everything your side says or do, and it’s okay to agree with some of the things the other side says or do.”
There is no “middle ground” with regards to issues like human rights. Either you believe that everone deserves to be treated equally and with respect, or you don’t. There’s no compromise where you say “oh, give this minority group 3/5ths of their rights.” That’s not equality.
If we had absolute equality blind people would be allowed to drive.
Everyone knows this. But what about someone, who with all their heart, believes in and respects equality but found this SNL guest funny? Do you see that things can start to get less black and white? (I guess call me a devils advocate, I didn’t watch the episode or care about shane gillis but I did think the ‘cut for time’ skit someone shared was funny)
TBF, sites like like this one have for years been leaning hard into the ideology that “finding the middle ground 100% makes you a Nazi”. Which is why you don’t really see that kind of talk here very much, and you sure as hell don’t see it from these articles.
The louder people of the internet have spoken, life is a binary choice where you have to pick a side. Even finding some small portion of a person’s identity defensible, which some group despises, means you have something wrong with your mental state. I didn’t really care for the Down’s jokes, but I can see how telling them with his parents in attendance is just another way for people to laugh about something that might be hard as a portion of their daily routine. (I’m not easily outraged by comedy, some things are funny and in the same routine can be just stupid.)For some reason people forget the Howard Stern paradigm, “if you don’t like it, just turn it off”. Instead, some need the outrage and would rather condemn others for not feeling it.
Yes, how dare anyone criticize this poor guy just because he has an extensive history of anti-trans hatred and homophobia. We should just look the other eay when someone uses their platform to spread hatred and discrimination. That will help!When did this comment section become full of so many complete and utter f**king morons?
Yep. Because successful movements are always the ones that allow no shades of nuance in their principles, nor critical dissent to be voiced among their adherents under strict threat of exile. Real adults always believe a small disagreement automatically makes the disagreer an extremist enemy by default. The supposed ‘left’ in this country has been taken over by naive, scoldy, self-absorbed adult toddlers with zero understanding of how humanity and relationships really work, and enforce their rigid code to the point that to disagree even mildly automatically makes you a right-winger. Such maturity and logical thinking. Remember whenthe left welcomed those who were different so we could all work together across our small divides towards a larger goal? When the left FOUGHT social ills from far-right fundamentalists like censorship of art and destruction of perceived enemies, instead of adopting those principles for their own shallow, self-serving gains? Well, the right sure loves that that’s over with, that almost nothing on the left actually seems to follow progressive tenants anymore (not the principles themselves but the childish, dangerous, and self-serving methodology that none can question). Now it’s as rigid an orthodoxy and as naive a binary as any right-wing MAGA chud’s wet dream. We have fear of speaking out like it’s 1957, we have silence in the face of unscrupulous behavior out of terror of being made into a pariah. That sure screams ‘leftist’ and ‘tolerant’ to me. Such progress! Every great political movement devoted to peace and justice is compromised of ruling by fear and enforcing demanded groupthink by threat, then cowardly pretending that threat is a ‘myth’ to avoid feeling complicit in sickening behavior. This all sure worked well for McCarthyism. But when I was a kid it was the RIGHT behaving this way. Now the new ‘left’ has adopted right-wing tactics and thinks calling them ‘left’ makes it so. There’s as much hypocrisy and double-think on the current heretical left as there is on the right now. And so we have Trump. Thanks, folks. You’ve done exactly what the right wanted from you. Let’s just keep infighting for clout and perceived self-righteous smug superiority instead of working together to take down the tyrants. It’s great.
Google “radical centrism” and you’ll see why no one has any patience for the mushy middle anymore.
You’re aware that “Google [Insert Propaganda]) isn’t convincing, right? It is like if we were talking about the religious claims of the New Testament and you responded, “Google ‘Why Jesus is God’ and you’ll see why no one has any patience for other religions anymore.”
The mushy middle. AKA, an adult who understands the world isn’t a childish Puritan binary and that life is more complicated. So glad folks who feel this way are increasingly controlling the side that should be resisting tyranny and control instead of advocating for it. Good stuff.
It’ll work out well, surely.
Wo is casting him as a crazy right wing lunatic? They are rightfully pointing out his history of homophobia, anti-trans hate, and racism, not painting him as Donald Trump. But yes, heaven forbid anyone criticize poor Shan Gillis for repeatedly spouting homophobic and anti-trans bullshit.
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Listen, pal: The Algorithm™ does not tolerate nuance.
Personally, I’d settle for an admission that comment section culture war shit is about 5% related to a cause, 95% about finding an existential-malaise-avoiding fight and a cheap (or free, on sites like AVC) dopamine hit.For every one earnest, halfway normal discussion over hot button issues I encounter online, there are about 49 crust goblin shitlords using those hot button issues to bludgeon each other silly to feel like they did something that day. It’s legitimately like scanning a river of actual shit to find small, sporadic nuggets of gold. It’d be incredibly refreshing if the more ardent, online punchkickers could just admit – out loud – that they truly enjoy fighting strangers in a low- or no-stakes environment.
Comments sections are the new drugs for this century. They were fun and romantic at first, but now they’re just full of mentally ill people shouting into the air about Jesus, Revolution, the battle of good and evil and not much else. Sure you occasionally find the group of edgy cool attractive people who are social deviants in the best of ways, but usually it’s the same crowd you’ll find at a dive bar or seedy park.
Yep. That’s exactly. For most of these tyrants, as was true with McCarthy or anyone else like them, this isn’t about actual social justice. If it was, they’d be able to handle criticism and work with those who slightly disagree with them for a cause. This is about self-obsessed insecurity and the desperate need to peacock to everyone how very great of a person they are who never makes a mistake. It’s rule by fear. People make mistakes, and if you make everyone afraid of those mistakes being revealed by a) acting as if every mistake made is the same in scale, period and b) they’ll lose everything if that happens, you create a culture of followers devoted to have the knife out for others because they’re afraid of the knife coming for them, which it always will, because moral purity is a fucking psychotic myth. And when called on this, the cowards just default to gaslighting like any right-wing shitbird would. ‘it’s a myth, you’re clearly just a right-wing incel MAGA troll!’ the left has abandoned its principles and co-opted right-wing methodology and rebranded it as ‘left’, while everything about their behavior is inherently as hypocritical and fascistic as the right is doing. The far-left principles are noble and ostensibly remain, but they’re a prop. These are people who speak over the marginalized because it’s about their spotlight. They can ruin lives anonymously through a screen and not feel any responsibility for the harm they cause, so of course they’re too cowardly to face it and claim it’s all a ‘myth’. They’re children who believe in the same false moral binaries of existence as the Puritans and HUAC did. Adding a rainbow flag changes nothing. This is not progressive. And most progressives know this and are afraid to speak up about it, out of fear of their own mistakes being used to destroy them by people who feel any mistake at all makes one Pinochet. That isn’t leftist by any definition. This is about naivety, control, dopamine, and self-absorption. If it were about changing ANYTHING, this wouldn’t be the way, because these people CAN’T stand to see these things improve. Why would they want that? Their whole identity is tied to it. Why end that shit?
framing people like him to be crazy right wing lunatics is an easy way to turn regular people into crazy right wingers.That’s the way someone who is very childish and emotionally immature sees situations. They “become crazy right wingers” as a reaction to being called a “crazy right winger.”
NEWSFLASH: This was never a “regular person,” it was always someone who wanted a reason to be a nutbag, and found one.
No, that binary extremism is just in your mind. There are plenty of “middle ground” people right here in the comments. The episode was rather bland, people were disappointed but not outraged. Nobody wants him to go to prison, but at the same time, we’re allowed to not like him. People are allowed to just not like an entertainer, and that’s not extremist “cancel culture.”
The reaction to this episode was fascinating. Right-leaning sites hailing it as a triumph and left-leaning sites loading up their headlines with terms like “bomb” and “giant miss.” I didn’t catch it live, but poked through the SNL Youtube channel today just to see why the huge discrepancy and it was…. kinda middle-of-the-road fine. Felt like the hot take headlines were pre-written about the host and not the actual show.
‘No middle ground’? Here on AVC, which continues feverishly trying to gaslight everyone into believing cancel culture has zero consequences (hooray for loudly peacocking your smugly-superior principles but proving yourself a coward when it comes to standing behind them, I guess) and throws around shit like ‘wHiTe MaLe IgNoRaNcE’ at every opportunity? Well I never. I assumed this site was a bastion of mature, not at all self-obsessed adults who understood concepts like nuance and shared human experience, and didn’t believe in childish and dangerously-unprogressive myths like Puritanical moral binaries? I’m stunned. Usually, no one comes as more radically left and open-minded and human than the rigid, exile-addicted group orthodoxy of the AV Club. These people are truly compassionate and have no terrifying misperceptions about human nature and behavior whatsoever. Good folks!
Again, Bowen and Sarah were real life friends with Shane before he hosted. Comedians are a lot more open minded than the likes of you.
Christina – you are utter dogshit. You have no taste. Gillis is the funniest guy they’ve had host since Chappelle and CK. Your obsession with BEING WOKE AS FUCK!!! is your biggest weakness. Surely Gillis can’t be funny because he’s not gay or a woman, right? Shut. The. Fuck. Up. Get a real job you utter cunt.
Real edgy my man. I imagine you spend more time thinking about gay people than most gay people.
It’s a fucking theme with the “anti woke” or whatever. IDK, I can’t say I give terribly much thought to things I don’t enjoy, past saying “I did not enjoy this” or whatever. But apparently there’s a culture war to fight, among comment section nigh-literates, so here we are.
Jeez dude, it’s just a review of an uneven comedy show. No need for all the vitriol.
Nah man, see, he’s culture warring. You know, that thing that’s only bad when the people he doesn’t like do it. This wasn’t just a middling episode of SNL, see. This was a SHOT ACROSS THE BOW against those WOKE CULTURE WARRIzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
He’s a hack. Hacks tell old-style jokes (check) for easy laughs (check).Not sure why pointing out he’s not that creative is a political issue for people like you, but…
Wow, blackfishing incel dislikes woman. Shocker.
Oh HERE are the shitty Shane Gillis fans. Was wondering why this “random” article about SNL had 200 comments. Anyway your outrage is hilarious. Go touch grass instead of yelling at women on the internet, you absolute clod
You’re shitting yourself over a mediocre comic who doesn’t even know you, you pathetic cunt.
Marcello Hernandez’s cameohow can an SNL cast member have a cameo on their own show?
So you really hate that guy, huh?
They don’t, like any media now they just obey to a corporate agenda to stir crap to draw clicks and get more ad money.
Kinja is leaning left so they can’t be saying anything nice about someone who’s not leaning left (or left enough). It’s tiring to hear right wing people tell us that we need to hate everything and everyone on the left and vice versa.
Yeah, I dunno about all that but you’re welcome to your opinion there. I was just saying they really wrote this review through gritted teeth.
Question…. if “woke” is truly unpopular, why – as you claim – would corporate entities go along with it to their financial detriment?
No. But I also don’t find him funny.Crazy that I can feel that way, huh?And is says a lot about how your tribal lizard brain works that I just blew mind by saying that.
Shane and the SNL Cast did a fine show…fun and funny. Shane had a John Candy-type vibe (RIP). People have many facets, Shane, Chappelle and other comedians, writers or our family members who talk outside the box are not villains. Save the hatred for the awful people who truly do bad things. Saying questionable things for attention is not a capital offense (yet). Btw, was there a skit cut out of the Weekend Update segment? Seemed incomplete.
Except John Candy was actually funny
No one was calling for his death. The reviewer didn’t like the episode or the host. Happens. People have been disagreeing with the AVclub reviews of SNL for close to a decade now, but now it’s special when a putatively canceled comedian is the one getting the wrong opinion? Let me reverse the self-victimization: when did it become a critic’s job to like everything you like, or else they’re a liberal shill? And even if they were, when did THAT become a capital offense? And why must people only dislike “the awful”? Are we not allowed to dislike “the annoying” or “the boring” or “the exhausting” without permission?Saying questionable things for attention is a critic’s job as much as it is a comedian’s, and all the complaints about this reviewer this week, instead of being simply how they missed the mark again, sound like oversensitive conservatives and centrists wanting their insecurities and/or their balls cradled by everybody else, and getting upset when not everyone cups the way they like, if at all.Well, in America, not every place is going to do that for you, even if you deserve a good cradling once in a while, even if the same person cradles you appropriately in other reviews and this feels inconsistent and unfair. If you don’t like it, you can git out.Of the AVClub, not America.And if this doesn’t apply to you, well, grand. Honestly. Glad not-all-centrists are over-sensitive whiners who don’t see how their arguments just as often apply to themselves. But my response here is colored by the general tenor of self-righteous defensiveness and snide victory lapping I’ve seen elsewhere in the comments, and if that means I’m unloading a bit on you unfairly, I apologize. Just seems to fit an annoying, boring, exhausting pattern.If I have permission to feel so.
Are you okay?
Glad not-all-centrists are over-sensitive whiners who don’t see how their arguments just as often apply to themselves.idk dude the ignorant whining of “yes all sides” in the face of the utter horrors of this stupid world (be that actual horrors like the occupation of Palestine or the figurative and inconsequential horrors of how stupid this website has become) is exactly born of “over-sensitive whiners who don’t see how their arguments just as often apply to themselves.”
What box are Gillis and Chappelle speaking outside of?They are aren’t pushing boundaries, dude. They’re clinging to the past.And I’m confused… are you for free speech or against it? Because last I checked, calling Gillis a lazy, hack comedy with problematic jokes is ALSO just me using my free speech. Why do you think me and people who agree with me shouldn’t express that opinion?And since you will immediately backtrack and say that I am free to say that… Then what’s the point of your comment?
John Candy was funny.
What an insult to John Candy
And making fun of people who say questionable things isn’t capital punishment. Get a fucking grip babe.
Big yikes.
So does this mean Adam Friedland is going to host next season?
C+ is about where I would put this episode…
The Pre-taped stuff was not bad. The live stuff was not so great at all.
I keep seeing people in these comments calling this guy is famous. For what? Is he on a show? In a movie? Dating Taylor Swift?All I see about him is he got fired from SNL for being a dick and now he is popular on YouTube and TikTok. Which really isn’t a true bar of famous imho.
Okay, grandpa. Lol. This isn’t 1999, you don’t need to star in a sitcom to be famous. He sells out every stand up show he does, he has a huge comedy podcast, he appears on every other giant comedy podcast. He’s famous among young people, not elderly guys who can’t find their clicker.
He has a podcast!!!! Oh then he must be famous! Either that or he’s every third white guy in America.
You must have missed the “huge” part of it. And the fact that he goes on every other huge and successful one. Yes, gramps, podcasts are as relevant as other forms of media these days. I know, it’s shocking.Also like how you just skipped over “sells out every stand up show” because it didn’t fit in with your sassy comeback, lol. He came to the NBA arena down the road from me a few weeks back and had to keep adding shows because they kept selling out immediately.
Are they? I love podcasts! I listen to a lot of them. No one hosting one is doing it as their first option. No one is getting famous having one
“No one is getting famous having one”
LOLOLOL. Holy shit. Thank you for making my point for me regarding how out of touch you are. That is the main way in which comedians become huge in 2024. I think we’re done here, not gonna further attempt explaining to an ancient artifact how the internet works.
This is why Gen Z is doomed. You think the internet is real world. You are all gonna die from drinking bleach to cure Covid because a pretty blonde on TikTok told you too
“You think the internet is real world.”Oh my god, lmao. Okay, putting aside just how obviously very old you are, what exactly is the difference between the internet and your “approved” forms of media for famous people, like television and movies? You realize it’s just a different delivery method for the same exact shit, right? Why is a sitcom somehow more “real” to you than internet comedy podcasts or sketches?
I know I’m wasting my time here and you’ve dug in like a typical boomer, but it was worth a shot.
One is something you can do yourself. It’s an amateur affair.To get a sitcom or be in a big movie you need other people saying you are worth the investment. I’m not saying that’s better or good but it means you are actually famous. Or have the potential to be famous. Everyone with a comedy podcast or making sketches online wants that call from a studio to step up into the big leagues. The internet is still the minor leagues and everyone who starts here is niche famous at best It’s odd this guys stepped right from internet to SNL but SNL has always tried to be “cool and for young people” and it’s clear they have been trying that for the last few years. Back in the day you had to do the big project and the get SNL(usually to promote it). Honestly the fact that you are calling me an old boomer while we argue about casting for fucking SNL(the most boomer of shows) is kinda hilarious
Yes, anyone can do things on the internet. And if they’re good, a lot of people watch them. If a lot of people watch them, that means the people doing them are famous. Regardless of whether people who still cling to traditional media as the be-all end-all know who they are.“To get a sitcom or be in a big movie you need other people saying you are worth the investment. I’m not saying that’s better or good but it means you are actually famous.”
It means that some likely out of touch television executive sees you as famous. The absence of these things does not mean you aren’t famous, it might mean you aren’t famous amongst a very specific demographic.
I think this guy just really likes podcasts.
Another wild old appears
I really like podcasts. Perhaps in another place and another time, we could have been friends. Of course I bet the podcasts we like are completely different and probably haven’t heard of each others favorites because there are literally a million of them. He comes off as a Joe Rogan guy while I’m happily listening to “Podcast: The Ride”
I genuinely LOLed at that.
That is the main way in which comedians become huge in 2024. Don’t most of these comedians already have fame before starting their podcasts?
Nope, not at all.
Maybe a small level of fame? The vast majority of guys like Segura, Tim Dillon, Andrew Schultz etc became huge touring acts on the back of their podcasts or TikTok, etc. Hell, even Bill Burr rode MMP to superstardom. A lot of these guys suck, mind you, but regardless, a huge chunk of the big touring acts today only became household names via their podcasts. And for some of them, it shows in the quality of their acts. Shane is not one of those guys IMO. His standup is great.
No one is getting famous having oneThat’s an odd thing to say given that someone who’s mostly notable as a podcaster got a Netflix special and just hosted SNL. And Marc Maron’s stand-up career wasn’t really doing that well before his show took off – now he sells out theatres regularly. And there’s no question that way more people know who Joe Rogan is after that huge Spotify deal.People no longer need “conventional” exposure to the masses to become famous.
I’d argue that Marc Maron isn’t really that famous. Joe Rogan was on a popular sitcom and hosted hugely popular game show before he pivoted to podcasting
Rogan’s podcast brings in 11 million listeners. The top-rated episode of Fear Factor had 8.8 million. I really think you’re underestimating the power this format can have.And no, Maron isn’t that famous – I’m sure he can walk through an airport unbothered – but being able to fill 2000 seat venues isn’t nothing. He is most definitely more famous than he was pre-podcast.
The top-rates episode of News Radio at 20.5 million viewers so I would argue more people new who Joe Rogan was in the late 90s then today with his podcast
Ah, my bad. I should’ve realized that most of his fans follow him because he was sixth on the call sheet for a sitcom that ended 25 years ago.
Most of Joe Rogans follow him because they were dropped on their heads as children but that is not the point.
On that we can agree.
Ah, my bad. I should’ve realized that most of his fans follow him because he was sixth on the call sheet for a sitcom that ended 25 years ago.
Eh, I think the point was Joe Rogan’s prior exposure on TV put him in a position where a lot more people would recognize him and give his podcast an initial listen than if he’d been Joe Schmoe from 123 Elm Street, Peoria. Also you cite News Radio, but recall he was also the host of Fear Factor, which was also a popular and long lasting show.
That could be (but with an average listener age of 24 I’d say it’s unlikely that most are unfamiliar with his work on either show), but the point is that he’s famous NOW because of the podcast.Ronald Reagan is famous because he was the president, not because he was an actor.
I hate joe rogan but this is not a good argument
This is an insanely stupid take. So in 1999 major news outlets were talking about what Joe Rogan, a minor character on a mid-level sitcom thought?
GTFOH.
Eh, not to give too much ammo to the OP, but I do think there’s a point that Joe Rogan’s reach and influence as host of his podcast extends far beyond what it did when he was a TV personality. But I guess the question is would his podcast have ever been that influential in the first place if he hadn’t already been a generally known TV show host.
Andy Dick was on that sitcom too. How’s his career now?
The man is famous enough to host SNL and you’re commenting about how much you don’t know him, a contradiction in terms. Fame shouldn’t be the deciding factor of a host, and despite the Kremlinology of the writer of the piece analyzing the faces of the band (they’re pretty stone faced for every host) the man has a lot of fans. Clearly. Most of them are insane, but he’s an excellent comedian.
“gramps”We get it, you’re a hip young cool kid who knows all the big stars!And that’s why you talk like an ignorant little shit.
We get it, you’re old and mad and screaming at clouds. Cry more. Or just die soon and make way for people who enjoy things.
But did he fuck you yet?
He’s also got your mouth all over his balls!
It’s kind of funny because you’re saying it’s not 1999, but you’re describing a version of fame that sounds just like the 1940s. “His radio show and vaudeville routine are so popular that he got to host a TV variety show!”
“He sells out..! He has huge..! He appears..! He’s famous…!”
Damn, Chile, you sound like you’re ‘bout to wet yourself.Here’s a big screen and a lolly. Hush now. The grown ups are making you an AI forever friend.
I know this troll. He’s advocating for Gillis because of the racism and homophobia, not despite it.
Ugh. I should have guessed it. Thanks.
lololol yeah you know me from that time you tried trolling me and then ended up pissing yourself and running away. And look, you’re in yet ANOTHER comment section falsely accusing someone of racism/some other ism. Once again: You have no multitudes.
You sound like an old fart who is upset that he doesn’t know who famous people are anymore. Don’t worry buddy, I’m sure those movie and TV stars you idolized 30 years ago still matter to other old nobodies.
He’s dating Taylor Swift… if he believes it.
He’s got fired from a job for making bad jokes, which means he has a loyal, built-in fanbase of online chuds who will follow him off a cliff and I’m sure are being very normal and chill towards you in the greys right now.
He’s definitely not a cross-over star at this point. I feel like his audience is still mostly weird internet bros.
Maybe three or four more comments about him and you’ll totally get across how much you don’t care about the guy!
Number one show on Patreon. Big netflix deal. Budweiser deal. Huge touring comic. Does he need to “date Taylor Swift” for your empty head to consider him famous?
lol, was a funny episode, but I knew before coming here AV Club would trash it. Can’t just gracefully take their L and accept that the guy they tried to help ruin a few years ago survived it.
That’s because SNL has become irrelevant and dumb, but glad it’s your thing.Does a big bucket of salsa come with that huge chip on your shoulder?
Yeah, the Elordi episode (most recently) clinched that SNL is just not my thing at the moment. There are a few moments per episode that I can catch on YT the next day, but I can’t sit through a full episode anymore. WAY too hit or miss, and the misses are just total friggin’ cringe. Not in a “this offends my sensibilities” way, but in a “this is like late-stage MadTV-level bad.”
When did SNL become something with a winner and a loser?What a weird take, dude.Bonus points for the “party of personal responsibility” seeing Gillis having no role in … check notes… the words that he chose to say out loud.
Your life is so sad little bb ☹️
It was nice getting a window into what could have been if Gillis was cast on the show, turns out he would have blown up either way, outside the regular timing issues and line stumbles that have replaced ‘breaking’ on the show, was smiling every sketch but not laughing through them. Monologue was excellent and sounded like all the laughs he wanted were there- and of course you bring up the band trending on twitter despite seeing everyones favorite new ‘not laughing bassist’ smirking and holding back laughter on most jokes. You know their not supposed to sell the laughter like kevin eubanks on leno back in the day right?
Lenny Pickett was trying his best to remain stone-faced, but even he cracked a smile a couple of times.
certainly not the worst episode of the season, but also not a good one. I don’t think SNL was missing anything by not having him as a cast member. He didnt take away from the ep, but most of what was good about it had nothing to do with him.
Not surprised the comments are chock full of people here to defend him, I dont really think he needs defending though. His career is obviously doing fine and he’s clearly talented enough to do what he does. People are going to blindly go after him, just like people are blinding defending him as if he’s the best thing SNL has seen in years(which he isn’t).
Shane Gillis gage him some serious competition. Sound like something Bowen is use to.
Huh?
The cut-for-time sketch might have been the funniest part of the show. A shame it didn’t air:
This was way funnier than all but 1 or 2 sketches from the show.
The cut for time sketch being better than what’s on the show seems to happen rather frequently
Maybe but it’s also one of Lornes stealth ads for actual products they have been trying to “sneak” into the show for the last few years.
regardless of whether one finds the bit funny or not, i’m real turned off by SNL’s increasing reliance on product placement for jokes
Yeah dude I really don’t think Liberty Mutual paid SNL to feature their mascot snorting cocaine and murdering people.
if you think i dont understand the handshake between the two, you’d be wrong. i’m saying it’s tacky and lame as fuck. right up your alley it seems.
You’re an extremely dumb person. But I’m guessing you already knew that.
that’s your big comeback? stop being such a gay edge lord. just be gay, ya fag.
Whoa man, this guy used some edgy words. I’ve been totally out-edgelorded!!
such a SJW comment
Grrr you got me so triggered with this reverse psychology!
You’re an extremely dumb person. But I’m guessing you already knew that.
Shane asked me to ask you to stop sending him picture of his headshot covered in your cum. He’s not into you like that gay dad. Maybe if you were gay to your mom.
Funny they had plenty of time for that awful cold open, but couldn’t squeeze in a very funny 2 minute pre-recorded sketch.
Yeah, I don’t disagree. I have a feeling, though, that Shane’s overlong and cringey monologue was the real reason why.
I agree 100%. Laughed more at this than just about anything apart from “Fugliana” and Bowen-as-Tru.
This show does not deserve a weekly recap post
If this was a ratings stunt by SNL (and I have to imagine it was), they really didn’t lean into it. Other than his joke about it at the top of the monologue, very little was made of Gillis as some sort of ‘dangerous’ figure. If you were unaware of the original firing, you’d probably have no idea that Gillis was controversial at all. If I were running the show, I might have cooked up a sketch with an alternate-universe 2019 where Shane was backstage meeting his new SNL castmates, each of whom also revealed various terrible things they’d said or done. You could even bring back 2019-era cast members like Pete Davidson or Kate McKinnon. Something like that would have gotten a lot more ‘check out our stunt-casting’ attention than just ‘Shane Gillis hosts the show, plays a tubby white guy in a bunch of sketches’, which is what we got.
Is there a “White Bro” alert that goes out to summon them to spam articles? Because there is no reason for them to be here in such large numbers. They did the same on a “True Detective” piece recently. Not buying there’s this much real interest in an episode of SNL.
Yeah, I’d say there is. A good chunk of Gillis’ following and among the types of podcasts in the genre he runs in are made up of terminally online white males ages 15 to 35. Any appearance or mention anywhere results in the entire flock moving towards it. It’s similar to a K-Pop hive but if it were made up of people supremely overconfident yet incredibly sad.
So exactly the same as a K-pop hive?
I feel like a better explanation is that there’s a huge portion of the country that mainstream entertainment, and especially the commentary around mainstream entertainment, doesn’t usually cater to, some portion of the 150 million Americans listening to country music on a regular basis. And when it remembers they exist and caters to them well, it can get attention. True Detective Season 1 was a show about male cops in the South, so much so that it was anything from “focused on the male perspective” to grossly sexist depending on whom you asked. Shane Gillis goes on SNL for comedy about high school football, families that go to church on vacation, and comedy about Trump that isn’t from a place of aggressive contempt, it’s something different. I think it’s the parallel to the fans of the NFL who were mad about all the extra people and things that came with Taylor Swift. People who aren’t normally part of the audience suddenly are hanging around, watching games, on social media, and it feels like an invasion of outsiders.
It’s a couple of no-life trolls with multiple burners.
Always relevant:
Some one turned on the “Oh no, so Woke!” symbol and it summoned them from the depths of 4Chan and The Joe Rogan Twitter feed
But folks who, say, obsessively comb every public figure’s online interaction for years back seeking an unacceptable joke by today’s terms because trying to ruin their career for sport is a fun hobby are totally well-adjusted people with normal lives, right? Nothing pathetic about that.Same story as ever. Anyone who even mildly disagrees with these stereotypes and generalizations is automatically a _____. It’s how a child believes the world should be – just what I say, or you’re evil. Just like the far-right y’all claim to despise but crib from with every hypocrisy and every horrific methodology. Just as disconnected from the concept of shared humanity and working towards common goals across differences as any fascist MAGA piece of trash. Nothing says ‘progressive’ like rigid orthodoxy of behavior at the risk of being made a pariah, and bullying followers into silence lest they dare question your decency. Stereotypes of those not exactly like you? So leftist. HUAC was pretty fond of calling every defender of those accused ‘communists’ too. Now go ahead and hallucinate that me saying these things makes me an evil white incel MAGA troll because I brought up a point you disagree with. Super progressive and mature and accepting! Truly leftist principles in action and not co-opted far-right hypocritical fascistic garbage adopted by people obsessed with control and orthodoxy and the veneration of their own perceived purity. Must be scary to consider any of these issues actually being worked towards and overcome. What would you do if you actually tried to solve a single fucking social justice issue instead of fretted like Puritans over someone not being just like you? The hypocrisy when contrasted with actual progressive beliefs is harrowing. This is right-wing repression and fascistic fetish play that any MAGA chud would be delighted by (and how could they not be? the modern ‘left’ keeps handing them wins while they laugh all the way to office at how easy we are to pit against each other and distract? What would it be like if you types cared more about working with people TOGETHER to solve those issues instead of disgusting accusations and dismissals? If you could accept criticism and that the world isn’t built on childish moral binaries like an actual adult? What would you folks have left if you couldn’t smugly point fingers online at those that don’t tow to your childish, dangerous, narrow line of binary moral purity, desperate resegregation, and absolute homogeny of belief? You don’t want any of this shit to end, or you’d fucking do something like a real progressive about it. You need this. It’s all you have. This is about YOU and your ego and nothing else. It sure isn’t anything progressive.
god forbid someone other than your echo chamber says anything when publishing the nonstop wheelhouse articles or comments. cope
There a lot of “white bros” who used to like the AV Club when it was less whatever it is. Basically the same “white bros” who used to be IN an AV Club in high school.They lurk, mostly just being mildly irritated by articles that don’t interest them, until they see an article about a subject that they might actually care about.
Culture warriors gonna culture war. Therapy’s expensive, and this is easier.
This year isn’t going good for SNL, did they run out of people to host?
“Bro humor”. Is it still the 2010s at the AVC?
If it was, they would still be reviewing decent shows.
I mean… how else would you describe a comedian doing material that seems like it was written pre-2010?
There’s a commenter with the name iamyourgaydad so yeah, sure seems like it
It’s a shame that the reviewer seemed to let her bias against the person themselves, rather than the actual merits of the episode. I thought it was pretty fun. I think people are misrepresenting someone based on the perception of his humor, without actually listening to the actual context of it.
He’s a hack. That’s not a political stance.And me pointing out that he goes for easy laughs telling jokes whose content and style isn’t a political take either.To be clear, hacks can still be funny. But being a funny hack isn’t as impressive as being funny and having truly new jokes to tell. And when reviewing comedy – like judging gymnastics – you should get more or less credit for what you did based on how hard the thing you attempted was. COntrary to popular belief, hacks like Gillis and late career Chappelle aren’t pushing boundaries or challenging anything. They’re trying to maintain the old boundaries so their old-style jokes still work.
Shane Gillis learned his lesson after his SNL hiring and firing: stop punching down. Gillis made himself the target of his jokes, no one get cancelled for attacking themselves.
What do you think a “comedienne” is?
What do YOU think it is?It’s referring to Ego Nwodim.In what way does the term not apply to a female cast member of SNL?
i really enjoyed this episode. more sketches made me laugh than not laugh, which is not usually the case with this show. his opening monologue was so funny and goofy (e.g. “son’s being their mom’s best gay friend” lol) as mentioned elsewhere, Gillis brings a jovial energy which wins you over.We got a glipse of what he would have been like as a performer on SNL, and i bet Lourne regrets having to fire him.
I have no real opinion on Shane Gillis TBH, and I know that pointing this out is a bit like holding back the Pacific with a teaspoon, but nevertheless:(Ironically, Gillis would have joined the show the very same season as Bowen Yang, the show’s first Chinese American cast member, who has not been shy about his displeasure over some of the casting choices this season.)This isn’t actually irony, it’s just a coincidence. It would be ironic if Gillis being fired had opened the door for Yang to appear on the show, thus enabling him to consequently be in a position to voice his displeasure over Gillis appearing on the show as a host. But as is, it’s just a thing that happened.
Your example wouldn’t be ironic either.People need to stop using “ironic” to just mean “two events connected in a way that I either don’t know the right word for or it doesn’t already have a word”.
Everything that I know about irony I learned from Canadian radio in the 1990s.
I realize that online sports gambling is a big addiction with many people worldwide. With that said, I found the skit on this SNL episode about betting odds on how your co worker or friend will get out of their massive debt to be rather funny. The sad reality is I know people who would put bets on this to make extra income out of a person they know misery. I really thought it was good satire to show the crazy degrees of online gambling addiction!
I don’t get it. The only really offensive thing about him is he aint funny for shit. Has no timing and his jokes were stale by the end of the 00’s.
The common thread between hack comedians and conservative ideology is both are backward looking.That he does 20 year material is his appeal to a lot of people. They don’t want new things. Gillis is scratching the same type of itch as the Full House re-boot. He’s for people who stopped trying new things years ago and just want more of the same.
Holy shit this was an unfunny episode. Agree that the trump shoes thing was the best part. Also, did he have dip in his lower lip the whole show?
Bowen Yang, the show’s first Chinese American cast member, who has not been shy about his displeasure over some of the casting choices this seasonYou mean when he vagueposted about Haley and then deleted it? Or the time he stood on stage far away from Chappelle?Wow, he’s so forceful. So brave
Who is this, again? Shouldn’t the hosts of SNL be, at least, somewhat household names? I get that he’s had some success but frankly, when the cast members are more famous than you are, there’s a big issue. Mikey Day has that “Is It Cake” recognition now. Why isn’t he hosting?
Who is Mikey Day?
Yeah, that host sure did suck on Saturday. They just plain sucked. I’ve seen hosts suck before but he was the suckiest bunch of suck that ever sucked.
if Michael Che and Jost had made ANY of the jokes Gillis made in his monoluge ya’ll would not have thought twice about it. Pure and simple. It’s the truth
The fuck is a monoluge?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/monologue
I definitely watched to see how he’d do an what the show would feel like. I thought the cold open was a little hard to take in because it feels so true, so I respect that they got me to laugh as much as they did. The monologue went about how you’d expect it—a nervous standup in a potentially hostile room who wants to be liked but probably likes his material a bit more. I don’t think his jokes about having family with Down Syndrome landed as well as they did in his specials, but I kind of appreciate that he’s not treating the subject too carefully—it feels more like a part of normal life and not just some genetic tragedy when people can joke about it. And I don’t recall him saying anything negative as much the discomfort of the topic won that particular night. Most of Gillis’ sketches were pretty good. I thought the HR sketch was the weakest one, personally. The performances were fine, but it felt underdeveloped—people aggressively misunderstand a policy 5 words into HR starting their presentation is familiar enough to land but it felt like a slow build to a rushed ending. The Trump shoes sketch was the best, followed by Jamaican Church, and probably the Gump Reunion sketch. I didn’t like the phone spying sketch too much, but that was more because it was a little too gross for me. The cut Lemu Emu and Doug sketch should found a place in the lineup, though. And the betting sketch was really good, but probably a little too long.I thought 21 Savage’s presentation was really cool but I thought his vocal performance felt really flat. Maybe I just haven’t listened to him enough to get it.Weekend Update had its moments, but those moments were with Jost and Che, not the “guests” in my opinion. The embryo had some good lines but it went on too long. Yang’s Capote wasn’t great IMO; at least I know he’s funnier than that was.Overall, I think it’s good Gillis got to host. I prefer reconciliation to shunning (not saying there’s no justice in his termination though), I think Gillis is funny, and I think SNL is funny. If anything, I hope he gets a round two in a year or so and they can dial it all in a lot better.
Honestly, he’s a good comic, and the backlash put him in the center of a culture war where his fans are CHUDs and his critics sound like Helen Lovejoy. He became this because of weird articles that make his comedy much more consequential than it is. Like, I could predict the reactions to his hosting a month away depending on the past leanings of whomever is talking. The discourse flattens everyone and makes us boring.
While I’d have preferred to avoid the controversy, I’m just going to say it….that didn’t sound like “Go Pack Go” to me.
but the majority of the punchlines notably didn’t land with the uneasy studio audience (including the stone-faced band behind him)Through my tv speakers it sounded like most of it landed pretty damn well so I was confused when he made the ‘well-lit’ comment… though I did notice the band barely reacting, thought maybe they just can’t hear him so well. Does SNL pipe in canned laughter?
I’ve tried to keep some glimmer of hope alive for this site…. but this article and the ensuing comments pretty much marks it as dead. This place used to be about discussing entertainment and writing and performing….but that’s been over for awhile. Now it’s a home for whining about various hot-button outrage / cancelation issues and how they can shoehorn any show or performance in to whatever issue box. I’m a liberal guy, but the ranting immaturity about SO many things like comedy and music and fans of such went beyond insufferable in the last few years. It’s f***ing comedy, people. He was doing a comedy routine to the audience – not reading a script on cure cards written by writers. His reaction to the crowd was all part of his bit. He even volunteers for Special Olympics because he has Downs family and he relates funny stories about it. He accepts and embraces them fully as they are. Have any of YOU ever volunteered to spend time with Downs folks? He was funny even when most of you REFUSE to allow him to ever be funny because you heard he needed canceling at some point for some thing he said somewhere at sometime, never to be forgotten even if you don’t know what it was in the first place. Get over it. You drive people away from the liberal side with your pedantic, whining, bitchery.
This episode was the biggest dud of the season for me. Worse than the Jacob Elordi episode where everything was satire on his looks.The monologue was awkward and unfunny and most of the sketches with Gillis, except the Trump shoes commercial, were surprisingly weak. I was assuming he was some podcaster who was put into an awkward situation out of his element where he had to act and do a stand-up monologue, but hearing he’s actually a professional stand-up is surprising. His appearance was unnecessary.