Jennifer Walters finally faces her insecurities on She-Hulk: Attorney At Law
Tim Roth makes a welcome return as Emil Blonsky to help Jen work through her identity issues in "The Retreat"
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Last week, it seemed like She-Hulk: Attorney At Law was finally settling into some semblance of a regular format: A story/B story, a fun side case for the supporting cast, moving away from the MCU cameos. But this week tosses all that aside to pull Jen away from GLK&H and back into Emil Blonksy’s orbit. Sorry, Renée Elise Goldsberry. Hopefully, we’ll catch you next time.
Nevertheless, it was a perfectly pleasant episode, and Jen clearly needed the getaway. She’s living the sweetest little rom-com with, Josh (Trevor Salter), the beau she met at Lulu’s wedding. Until quite abruptly, she’s not. (And Josh wasn’t beating those “suspicious dude” allegations early on: His flirty texts on Jen’s screen suggested he already knew what neighborhood she lived in.) Because Jen is a woman living in the 21st century, she can’t help obsessing over their texts when he ghosts her after they have sex.
Luckily a distraction is provided by Blonsky, whose inhibitor malfunctions up on that “wackadoo ranch of his,” in the words of his parole officer. Chuck is reasonably concerned that he might meet the Abomination up there, so he asks Jen to accompany him in her capacity as lawyer and superhero. The malfunction turns out to be a simple run-in with an electric fence (thankfully, Princess Silk Feather, Blonsky’s favorite chicken, was unharmed). Still, the visit expectedly goes off the rails when Man-Bull (“Was a weird lab experiment, don’t ask”) and El Águila (not a matador) destroy Jen’s car.
Rather than his harem of prison pen pals, in this episode, Blonsky surrounds himself with a gang (parole board, take note: it’s not a real gang) of super-adjacent dudes who are trying to get in touch with their feelings. Continuing to obsess over her phone, Jen doesn’t really want anything to do with this rag-tag bunch until That Guy (Nick Gomez) walks in. As Jen helpfully reminds us (“Tell me they Previously On’d him! No, I don’t care, we’re doing it again”), he’s a member of the Wrecking Crew that attacked her weeks ago. Now, he’s at Blonsky’s ranch taking “radical accountability. How exactly he’s doing so is still anyone’s guess.
It’s with this unlikely group that Jen is finally encouraged to voice her true insecurities around She-Hulk. Her super persona is like the cool friend you had in high school: “Like, you think life would be so much easier if I were that person, and I can turn into that person anytime I want to. And everyone pays attention when I’m this. Like, my colleagues, my boss, guys,” she shares. “But it feels like cheating because would they like me if I didn’t have all this? If I were just Jen, would the same guys who like She-Hulk stick around for Jen? Because some of them don’t. And that sucks for Jen because Jen is great. And no one cares when there’s She-Hulk.”
The group manages to convince her to trust them with Just Jen, which is a really liberating moment for her. She is very glad she stayed at the retreat, and is even convinced to delete Josh’s number from her phone (and check out the yurt). Blonsky says she’s welcome back any time, and the not-a-real-gang gives her a parting card (Front: “Bye Jen” Inside: “We love Jen AND She-Hulk”). Jen gets to drive off with a new sense of dignity and a new lease on life.
Unfortunately, we now know that Saracen (Terrence Clowe), the maybe-vampire (and our comments section), was correct that Josh was, indeed, after Jen’s blood. A flashback to their Adult Sleepover shows Josh creeping around in the dead of night, copying the contents of her phone (what does he need that for?!). He also takes a picture of her asleep, half-naked, which is such a heartbreaking violation on top of the betrayal—a very unsettling note for the episode to end on. Jen doesn’t yet know that Josh is actually HulkKing, but one fears the reveal will undo all the progress she made in the yurt.
Stray observations
- So, like… Josh did get her blood then? That’s what his text message at the end of the episode implies, but it’s kind of funny after all the menacing needles they showed us that we don’t actually see him do it.
- Excellent needle drops this episode: we’ve got “MMMBop” by Hanson, “IDGAF” by Dua Lipa, and my favorite, “Now I’m In It” by HAIM, the perfect soundtrack to Jen’s dream rom-com.
- Nikki says Jen is nominated for “Female Lawyer of the Year,” and with all due respect to our girl… for what? She’s light on the lawyering lately, you have to admit.
- Shout out to John Pirruccello as Chuck the parole officer. Really enjoyed his brief appearance and exasperated “Jen, Jen, Jen, you’re honking your horn at a ten-foot tall lizard monster.”
- Actually, the entire guest cast is pretty delightful this week, particularly the possibly codependent Man-Bull and El Águila, played by Nathan Hurd and Joseph Castillo-Midyett, respectively.
- Wardrobe Watch: Jen’s casual outfit at the farm genuinely looks comfortable for both Jen and She-Hulk, unlike last week’s baggy wedding dresses.
- “You know what? Apologize to my Prius Prime. WITH MONEY.”
- Poor Jen’s sweet text messages are torn apart by the group: “I can’t stop smiling” is “thirsty and a cliché,” according to Porcupine (Jordan Aaron Ford), and they all groan at her “blushing smile emoji” double-text. On the other hand, they immediately offer to kill Josh for hurting her feelings, which is cute. (Maybe they should’ve done it!)
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I don’t think Josh is HulkKing, but that he was texting WITH HulkKing.
That was my read of the situation too, but I’d have to go back and see if the text message graphics on screen made it clear if HulkKing was his screenname or the screenname of the person he was texting.
hmmm you could definitely be right about this, my mistake
That’s definitely the case. When you text someone, your own name doesn’t generally show up on the screen. And what unidentified person would the big bad be texting it to?
yeah Hulkking is definitely an incel who wouldn’t be able to complete that part of the mission and needs to hire a goodlooking and funny guy to do it
Yes, Josh was obviously texting HulkKing that he accomplished his “mission.”
HulkKing is pretty obviously Todd, the weird guy she went on a blind date with who was then hanging around her office later.
How wild would it be if HulkKing was Blonsky?
interesting theory, the fact that one of the Wrecking Crew was there would support it, and that he knows how to disable his inhibitor…
I feel like Blonsky has to be involved somehow with that one goofball who already tried to get her blood being at the retreat. (Although, I don’t think Blonsky tripped the monitor to get her there – how would he have known the Probation officer would bring her??) I’ve also heard that Tim Blake Nelson is coming back as ‘The Leader’ in the next Cap America movie. Could he have something to do with trying to get her blood?? We know he LOVED his first experience with Bruce’s blood in Incredible Hulk.
all plausible, and Sterns is the one that created the Abomination, so maybe they are in cahoots?
Josh was in on it. Called that.Porcupine, and in his original costume. Nice.We don’t get to see Emil’s soulmates.I actually liked the wellness retreat. Maybe we’ll see it in some other Marvel properties. Moon Knight could probably use it.
Nothing that was in SheHulk will ever get any appearance or even get mentioned in the future. Except Madisynn
*cough*Wong*cough*
*cough*Wongers*cough*
Wong existed before she hulk so he doesn’t count
You’re dumb. Not only is She-Hulk coming to the Avengers movies but The Leader, who they are setting up here, is in the next Captain America movie.
SheHulk has only the potential to show up in Avongers so far.
And, like, She-Hulk herself who will obviously appear in future movies.
And Blonsky. And Hulk in space.
okay, you’re right, Hulk in space is definitely relevant to the entire phase. 10 points for griffindor
Though I doubt abomination is ever going to return past SheHulk, maybe as a comic relief.
Unless Thunderbolts.
I am all in on a group therapy episode with Steven and Marc trying to make sense of Jake.
I’ve been waiting for Porcupine all season long, so happy he gets his due. I’m not holding my breath that we will one day seem him as Jessica Drew’s babysitter/love interest but you never know
Can this show get any worse?Imagine you get to write a comedy show about one of the most powerful female superheroes. What do you do with it? Of course you focus the entire series on her dating life!
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I don’t know since I stopped watching it, I just check in on the reviews to get a good laugh at this amateur hour written show and to see if Daredevil has shown up yet because I’ll watch/endure that episode to see how bad the writers butcher that character.
Daredevil is going to make a cameo in the last episod
Ah, yes, the streaming show that has been #1, or rarely #2, each week (over GoT and LotR shows) is definetely “amatuer hour.” Perhaps you just don’t get it.
I keep watching it because I am hoping it gets better. I like Tatiana and the idea of a low stakes superhero show so I am hoping the writers find their footing.
This is probably the 3rd best Disney MCU show hater
Yeah loving every bit of this show. For 2022, MCU Plus shows have been 3 for 3.
3rd best only in the universe where Ms marvel and moon knight are the only other MCU shows
I enjoy it, but it’s the worst MCU show. So much of the humor/drama is based on the premise that Jen is some kind of a goofy loser, and yet everyone loves her in She-hulk form. It’s hard to suspend belief when Jen is 1) a successful lawyer and 2) has the looks and charm of Tatiana Maslany.It’s like when they put the glasses and overalls on the girl in She’s All That and suddenly she’s a “nerd”. I don’t buy it.
You wouldn’t like the comics then.
Probably not.
You were so close to getting the point and you still missed it.
It’s not that hard to believe. One of my wife’s closest friends is a very successful accountant (not quite a lawyer) and is pretty good looking. Her dating life has been a complete disaster and this show really hits home for her.
How can it be the worst MCU show in a world where TFATWS exists?
Have you read a She-Hulk comic? Because this is pretty on brand.
Whats on brand? SheHulk was and is fighting the highest tier villains possible, not some freaking gremlins from other dimension. And her earliest comics should remain where they belong – in the trashWhW
So sick of you fake fans. You saw a couple avengers movies when you were 11 and now you think you’re the biggest fans who need to be pandered to.
So sick of you fake fans. You read a couple of 60s books on Marvel Unlimited when you were 35 and now you think you get to tell others how superhero shows should look like in 2022
Don’t hate us cos we can read, buddy. If you want your superhero movies to be the way you like, you can make ‘em. Instead of coming in here and demanding they conform to your standards. We all know you’re going to be chasing a new fad next week anyway. “Waaah, lord of the rings has too many elves in it! Make it how I want it!!!”
No surprise a half-wit like you would enjoy Rings of Power.
Ahhh so you are a Tolkien fan as well. That’s not surprising. You glom on to anything vaguely popular, and then virtue signal how much you hate it, so people think you’re cool.Other people enjoying their media while you stand behind them screaming “STOP HAVING FUN” with tears in your eyes.Touch grass, kid.
I was reading Tolkien when you still were calling your own feces “yum yum”, sweetie
Have sex.
And her earliest comics should remain where they belong – in the trashWhWYeah, that shit was like Wonder Woman as the Justice League’s secretary.
Ahhhhhh, so you have bad taste? You’re trying to tell me that the Byrne and Slott runs that this show are following aren’t all-time great runs? Jennifer Walters’ whole thing is that she is fun.
100% the arcs I was talking about. It’s fine if people don’t like it, but people saying that this isn’t She Hulk are showing their entire ass. Maybe when she’s in an Avengers book she’s minimized to a bruiser with boobs but in her solo books she’s having fun and has actual character.I also liked the Easter egg in this last ep of Slott Towing and if you looked closely the tow truck driver’s name-tag said Dan.
Even in Soule’s excellent run, which focused more on the “attorney” side of things, they never forgot that Jen’s personal life is either a.) a shambles or b.) glitz and glamour. And it’s usually a bit of both.
“SheHulk was and is fighting the highest tier villains possible”I don’t know what She-Hulk comics you’re reading but this is the tier of villains that she fights in the comics:
Yes, how dare they… *(checks notes)* …accurately reflect the tone of She-Hulk comics.
A sitcom makes fun of a main character? Unpossible!
LOL.The best part of these reviews are finding your comments where you obviously hate the show and yet keep watching it because … I guess you hate yourself? Then you try to convince everyone that you’re right and most of everyone else is wrong.If you were expecting a super-hero show that didn’t focus on the main character’s personal/dating life, then I guess you aren’t familiar with the comicbook character. And even if you weren’t, I guess you weren’t paying attention during the first episode where it clearly told the audience “This is not a superhero show – this is a comedy about a single female lawyer”.I hope you kept this going through the finale, it’s hilarious.
Because Jen is a woman living in the 21st century, she can’t help obsessing over their texts when he ghosts her after they have sex.
Point taken, but this is also an issue with U.S. sitcoms as a whole, right? Casual sex is very much seen as a thing Bad People (or bad-adjacent like Barney Stinson) do.
I mean if someone pretends like they want something more until you hook up and then they ghost you, that’s not cool in real-life either. Which is what happens in this episode.There are plenty of shows that have shown characters agreeing to have a one-night stand or friends with benefit type arrangement that paints them in a perfectly fine light. Hell HIMYM even had that in one episode where Ted and Robin decide to have sex again but not be in a relationship.
Community also had the reveal that Jeff and Britta were hooking up, just before Dan Harmon left IIRC. But even beyond the reveal (which people here predicted) there was something hinky about that plotline for me. Still liked the episode overall, though.
I think you’d have a point if Jen and Josh had drunkenly hooked up at the wedding or something, but they went on at least 3 dates and were texting constantly before having sex for the first time. That’s a whole different dynamic.
Am I the only one totally not into the fourth wall breaking?
Probably…..She Hulk has been doing it forever. In fact, she was Deadpool before Deadpool.
Yes.
I don’t mind it, but sometimes it comes across as ‘too much’.
It would be fine if there was someone in the writers room who knew how to write jokes. It’s like Deadpool if nothing was funny.
Watch Fleabag – this is how you do 4th wall breaking properly. SheHulk directors have no idea how to execute it.
Depends on the bit, so far episode 1’s was pretty great and this episode’s “previously on… THIS guy” bit was my favourite one so far because it blends the fourth wall nicely by being a bit that you could see her totally doing regardless of wallage.So I’d say the show’s had a pretty good track record with it so far!
Yeah the one in this episode harkens back to the comic where she’d ask the editor for clarification on something. Very on brand.
They tend to be some of her funnier bits, so I wish she did them more. It’s just that they are so infrequent, that when they happen, they feel like they don’t fit. If they happened often, it would feel more natural.
I think I would enjoy them more if they happened more often. It’s done in a very weird way right now. I remember seeing something from the showrunner before the season started airing that they dialed down the fourth wall breaking and I really wish they hadn’t.
I’d like it to be more of this kind of 4th wall breaking. It’s her thing. She’s the Queen of 4th Wall breaks so I appreciate that this show’s doing it, but I think I’d like her to mess with the “this is a filmed medium” side of things. She-Hulk used to rip panels apart and talk to the editors directly. This is the closest she’s done to that.
This was the first episode where it worked for me. Up til now, I feel it’s an element that adds nothing. Meta for the sake of meta. If she had something worthwhile to say, fine, but it’s usually ‘We’re doing a bottle episode!’ or ‘Hey look! The A and B story came together!’ Nothing worth pulling me out of the story for.“B-b-but it’s from the comics!!!” Ok fine but it’s not like she talked about how her life is a TV show in the comics.
“but it’s not like she talked about how her life is a TV show in the comics.”Except in the comics she talked about her life is a comicbook all the time.She had a supporting character who had been a comicbook character back in the 1960s (?) but once they stopped appearing in comics they aged, so Jen was shocked when she met her and saw that she looked ~20 years older than she had back in the 1960s. Jen would talk to the reader and tell them to keep buying her book so she wouldn’t disappear from comics and age like this.
At this rate, Daredevil’s going to take off his helmet to reveal Ben Affleck, playing Ralph Bohner’s cousin Woody.
Now I know the writes don’t know anything but ….this is dumb .Female Lawyer of the year???
It’s a joke, similar to the SNL Asian First-off between Bowen Yang and Simu Liu.
Yeah it’s satire bud…
But it’s not funny, it’s just kinda dumb and obvious 🤷♂️
Let me guess, you’re one of the people who thought the “depends on your definition of know” joke in episode 01 was actually written as a very serious legal drama argument.
It not that they are light/ funny with stuff ,Its that they are really Fucking Stupid ,with them .
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Yeah. “Lawyer of the Year” for what? Los Angeles’ media obsessed celebrity market? Why not. It scans just fine.
What’s weird is that the writer of this article doesn’t know why Jen would be up for such an award. Getting Blonsky parole is probably enough on its own.
small nitpick, Josh was texting to HulkKing, I don’t think his own text messages would have his own pseudonym instead of who he’s texting
I still like the show overall, but I have a couple minor problems at this point:1) I appreciate the lower stakes of the show. I think there needs to be balance in the MCU between villains threatening the whole world/universe and smaller scale villains and the heroes who fight them. But this show is getting pretty deep into the season, and there is still barely a villain, and She-Hulk has barely had to use her Hulk powers. 2) I think Tatiana Maslany is smoking hot, so it’s hard for me to buy into the whole “guys just aren’t interested in me when I’m Jen” thing. It reminds me of those ‘90s rom-coms where the “ugly,” unpopular girl is really a super hot actor who wears glasses and has a pony tail for a bit.
I think the villain is going to be revealed to be a bigger character and the show will end by revealing She-Hulk will appear in XYZ movie. My guess is its The Leader (given he’s a Hulk villain) and Cap 4 (given The Leader was announced for it already).Agree with you on the second point but given this is a Hollywood production where just about everyone is smoking hot, I’ve let that go.
My bet is it will be some version of the Mad Thinker, just because that will give us Awesome Android and we will be one step closer to him being Jen’s admin assistant
And dating Renée Elise Goldsberry’s character, if the writers be good.
You mean Awesome Andy!
I’ve been saying The Leader because of the emphasis on getting hulk blood. That was his main thing in the Incredible Hulk and I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s spent years trying to get Hulk blood but Bruce was either too careful or too much of an Avenger to get close to.
Chris Evans’s greatest role was in this film!
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I think Tatiana Maslany is smoking hot, so it’s hard for me to buy into the whole “guys just aren’t interested in me when I’m Jen” thing.Not just that, but I think most guys would definitely pick her over She-Hulk, because most guys aren’t into muscular women who are much taller and much stronger than they are. It takes a specific type for that. The mainstream kind of guy would be more into the woman who looks like a pretty actress.
Loved the episode even if I really hoped they’d pull a double-fake and Josh was nabbed by Intelligencia instead of working for them. Poor Jen.
there were only two options for the hook-up:1) he was kidnapped by the bad guys
2) he was the bad guy all along
while both are done to death, I’d rather it had been #1 . I started to like the guy.
Same, including wishing for option #1. Although I’m not sure I’d want to see Jen hulking out to save Prince Charming. I assume that eventually she will need to rescue someone but I don’t want it to be him. I guess now we will lean into the She-Hulk incel community. I also suspect we’ll discover that Mallory has been doing some work around that.
Would have MUCH preferred number one, with She Hulk having to rescue him. Yeah, that’s a bit of a tired trope too (though still not all that common with the genders reversed,) but having Josh be a bad guy is just… SOOOOOO tired, it really just made me groan in frustration.
Agreed, it seemed too obvious and sucky for Jen for him to turn out to have ulterior motives. Saracen saying, “Maybe he just wanted your blood” seemed to foreshadow it so I was prepared, but I still went “DAMN IT!” when he was shown copying her phone. And then “Jesus Christ” when he took the creepy photo of her.
I noticed when she was asleep there were two tiny holes in her back and I think that is what Josh was taking a picture of as proof he got the blood.
I would like to remind everyone that Jennifer Walters is an adult woman. An attorney. She’s not a 25 year old first year associate that shuffles papers or even second chairs, she was a lead attorney on a partner track when we first meet her. Tatiana Maslany just turned 37 one week ago today (happy birthday, queen). So I really, really don’t appreciate it when they infantilize her as someone who needs high school dating and social guidance like an early aughts WB teen show. I don’t expect her to have her life together or anything, but she shouldn’t be written as a dumb baby with no clue how to do or understand anything.Also, the kind of unfunny Nickelodeon sitcom tone they seem to have been aiming for is in extreme contrast to the disturbing sexual manipulation that happened here. Jesus fuck, who is this supposed to be for?
Not o mention we really often see how bad she’s at her job. Was the scene with her texting under the table during business meeting supposed to be funny?NtN
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I’m single and in my mid thirties and found her anxiety over a promising budding relationship suddenly not texting back incredibly relatable. As far as the “high school dating guidance” the things the people in support group were saying were probably all things Jen knew already, but are those kind of things that when you’re actually experiencing the situation for yourself you need to hear.
Same here! The whole episode rang true to me. Actually, the whole series’ take on dating in your 30’s is super relatable. Also, the beginning episodes sort of implied she didn’t date/socialize much before she became She-Hulk which explains why she’s acting inexperienced or naive now. Again, relatable to a lot of us.
Yeah absolutely. I know plenty of people in their mid-30s who are highly successful in their professional careers who have enormous and similar relationship anxiety. It struck me as spot on.
That’s a good point. I know they’re exaggerating for comic effect, but I just wish they could have her be a little less pathetic overall. They kind of acknowledged it in the episode where all her dates showed up to court and Mallory implied she was strong to take public humiliation to win the case, but she gets dunked on and pushed around a lot. This is more a complaint for the series overall, I actually really liked this episode. It did seem like this was a turning point for her, and she’ll have to deal with whatever’s going on with HulkKing, so hopefully we’ll get to see her confidence grow and kick some lame dude’s ass.
very agreed on your last point–crossing my fingers this is handled well in the next episode, but it’s hard to imagine within the sitcom tone
Yeah, I completely agree that the show is a really weird tonal mess, but I also felt this was the first time, perhaps with the exception of that last scene, where it kind of worked. Partially I think because everything in that retreat was so delightfully absurd that Jen having that moment worked for me. Especially since no one in the show has any real depth, so having that kind of superficial scene fit with the flow.That final point is true, though, and I think it reflects how bad the show has in general been when it tries to shift in to serious scenes as none of them make sense. So while that sexual manipulation is absolutely true, it’s hard to except them to be able to do anything with it as everything else about that scene was baffling. The dude copies Jen’s phone and takes pictures of her, only to send a text about having the blood? Which he didn’t seem to have?
I agree 100%. I feel like they write the character to be “funny” but it just doesn’t ring true and feels desperate. But apparently this mirrors the comic, so what do I know?
It’s almost as if it’s for comedy purposes
“unfunny Nickelodeon sitcom”Huh. The Creator would not be a bad name for an MCU villain.
Kamala Khan’s first supervillain in the comics was literally called “The Inventor”.
I know a lot of lawyers (my extended family and their friends) and quite a few that are single (and even the married ones for that matter) in their late 30s (and 40s) and socially, uh, awkward. Professional accomplishments have little bearing on a what a person’s social life is. I also don’t see where they infantilized her. Dating sucks. Especially in your late 30s. In the dating montage she was shown to be in control of what she wanted and not some naive “dumb baby.”The whole point is that Jen is feeling a entirely new level of insecurity about herself because of how differently she’s perceived in her She-Hulk form. And this dichotomy has been thrust upon her.As to the dark turn at the end, the show had been leading up to that for a while. From the beginning the show has highlighted the specific vulnerabilities women face and have to deal with socially and professionally.
Well said.
Spot on! I agree with all this and find the show to be really entertaining and relatable.
But we’ve seen other, better shows execute those ideas much, much better. Buffy, Jessica Jones, or even that Futurama episode where Fry gets brain worms. Just because it has ideas that are good or relatable, it doesn’t mean they’re executing them well. The Falcon and the Winter Soldier in a heist sounds like a great idea on paper, but the execution, not so much. If it was a better show, Jen would have reached the same cathartic realization by doing something else and not by having others explain everything to her for the entire runtime.
They don’t explain it to her. She explains it to herself with the help of a group therapy session.
You’re remembering wrong. She shares/recaps her feelings, and then the whole group tells her how she can understand and get over it. Here, I’ll type it out for your benefit:Porcupine: Well, for one thing, I’d say you can’t control what others do.
El Águila: It hurts when someone rejects us because it reminds us of the times we reject ourselves.
Wrecker: Maybe this Josh thing hurts so much because you haven’t been spending enough time with Jen.
Saracen: And that’s a shame because I bet Jen is pretty damn great.
Man-Bull: Maybe this Josh isn’t the only guy who likes Jen Walters. Maybe, there’s a group of guys right here who would love to spend time with Jen right now.
Blonsky: Do you believe that this group genuinely values the whole of you?
Jen: I do.
Wrecker: So maybe you can stop using She-Hulk as a protective shield and trust us with Jen. If Josh isn’t spending time on Jen, then Jen doesn’t need to be spending time on Josh.
Man-Bull: Delete Josh’s number is what he’s saying.
All but Jen: Delete it! (chanting)
So, they tell her how to feel and what to do, and she does everything they say.
Yeah; they should have done all that with thought balloons.
“infantilize her as someone who needs high school dating and social guidance”Have you ever met… people? At the very least, have you ever seen people in a sitcom?No one is ever really experienced at dating, because one you get even slightly good your reward is that you don’t have to do it any more.
I feel like this is a prime example of media created by and for women clashing against the expectations of an audience raised only on media created for men.Dating is a minefield of insecurities, and it’s true at any age and gender. But an overwhelming amount of the stuff we’re used to watching have been power fantasies for men, that only ever pander to those insecurities rather than engaging with them honestly. So along comes a show that is very much not a power fantasy (at least, not yet), that shows a protagonist struggling with insecurities before ultimately overcoming them (by which point it’ll probably become a power fantasy; see, the point is, power fantasies aren’t necessarily bad), and people don’t like it because they’re so used to something different.Being ghosted after sleeping with someone for the first time is very much an adult concern for women. Infantilized? GTFO.
Oh, please. Don’t pull the “media for women” card to apologize for mediocre writing. Have you not seen Crazy Ex-Girlfriend? Also, this episode wasn’t “for women by women,” check the credits. It was written by Zeb Wells, a 45 year old man. I need to do a paragraph break while I laugh at your moronic assumptions.The problem isn’t that Jen has insecurities, it’s how she has zero tools to deal with those insecurities and needs everything to be explained to her like she’s 5. Her friend slutsplaining the unspoken rules of dating texts is just a teen trope that might as well have been lifted directly from something like MTV’s Awkward. The whole dating mentor shtick predates texting and you can find them in plenty of teen and 20 something sex comedies going back decades. It’s clichéd, and at this point in time, hacky. We can have Jen be ghosted without having a literal room full of characters explain to her things she should already know. It’s not for the character’s benefit, it’s for the supposed 15 and under target audience. The entire episode was about not getting a text back. In something competently written, we can have Jen be ghosted and feeling terrible about it without Jen being oblivious and in constant need of explaining.
Jesus fuck, who is this supposed to be for?
clearly, the writers
This show is being made for me. Please kindly stop watching it.
Or maybe you can still enjoy what you enjoy and have adult discussions about criticisms without being a gatekeeper. I don’t need everything to be for me specifically, but I think every piece of media needs to be competently executed if they want more than a niche demographic to appreciate what they’ve made.
IT’S MINE I SAID STOP WATCHING IT
When SNL did the “Black Widow Movie” sketch with it the movie being a romantic comedy I took it as a commentary on how women are portrayed in media especially by men. Not we are getting it from women in real life.This is the best we can do with a female superhero written and directed by women. This is Wonder Woman 84 (still pining for some dick she had 70 years ago from a dude she knew for a week and willing to rape a stranger to get that dick) level of cringe.And no, this show isn’t even close to being Ally McBeal clever.
This is fucking She-Hulk dude. This is the character and the narrative. This character does not represent the full potential of female characters.Stop that nonsense.
Asking a character to be well written has nothing to do with her written to “represent the full potential of female characters.” Some people on here are suggesting that the only reason anyone dislikes this show is that they don’t like content starring and written by women. Yet this supposedly progressive female superhero show created by a woman trots out the tired narrative of single gal in the city and her relationship problems. Groundbreaking. The entirety of the character seems to be her relationship with men (at her job, on the street, in her personal life), the life changing superpowers are an afterthought. If a man created this show, it would be getting roasted on here.
It’s a sitcom, dude. The entire point of this show and this character is the juxtaposition of superheroics with mundane life. This is what her comics have mostly been like. The character is written just fine. You just don’t like the character, because you want her to be a completely different character on a completely different show. Go find that show and watch it.And it seems like you just want to complain, son. You’re annoyed that it’s apparently somehow political and annoyed that it isn’t political enough in the way you want it to be.You also have some weird ideas about what art by and about women must be, dude. Guess what? It can be whatever the fuck it wants to be.
I get what you are saying, and I am saying the writing is bad. It is a comment section on a piece of pop culture on a pop culture web site. You like the show, I don’t. People can have different opinions.Some people on here have brought in gender politics as a reason why people dislike the show, so I am putting it out there that the gender politics isn’t particularly progressive. It can be whatever the fuck it wants to be.Agreed. Including bad.
You disliking the show is perfectly valid. Your convoluted and self-contradictory take on why the show (or any show, regardless of quality, that focuses on daily life and relationships) is objectively, unacceptably bad, however, was foolish.And it has been a lot less peopling bringing “ in gender politics as a reason why people dislike the show” and more explicit misogynistic review bombing bullshit (which also happens in female-led properties that are on the complete other end of the spectrum, like Captain Marvel). Assholes hating women vs. stories about women doesn’t have anything to do with conservatives and progressives, except that those assholes also tend to hate minorities and LGBTQ+ people.
I don’t like the show because the writing is bad. Her characterization is silly. She is responses to “daily life and relationships” are baffling for a woman (or man) in her 30s. It isn’t a particularly funny sitcom or a good superhero show. And it has been a lot less peopling bringing “ in gender politics as a reason why people dislike the show” and more explicit misogynistic review bombing bullshit (which also happens in female-led properties that are on the complete other end of the spectrum, like Captain Marvel). Assholes hating women vs. stories about women doesn’t have anything to do with conservatives and progressives, except that those assholes also tend to hate minorities and LGBTQ+ people.Not denying the existence of these people.
Probably should have just led with that.But, also, you don’t like this character, clearly. This is a pretty representative take on Jennifer Walters. If you hate it, you just weren’t going to like a She-Hulk show.But it remains weird that you’re so sure that people in their 30s all act a certain way, especially after having their whole lives inverted by trauma and cartoonish transformations. If you think no one in the 30s is uncertain about life, career, and relationships, you clearly don’t know many people.
“This one character doesn’t fit the mold I insist on for all female characters.”
Yes, it’s totally feminist to have dating mansplained to a woman by a whole room full of guys that all know better than her, even the guy so afraid of the world that he doesn’t bathe and wears a spiky suit 24/7, that fuckin guy knows about dating and socializing. Girl power!
“I’m pretty sure I know exactly what feminism is — it requires female characters to not go through character arcs (even though pretty much every male superhero character has some kind of inherent flaw he must overcome) — and women that don’t live up to it deserve my wrath.”I bet you have some great takes on which waves of feminism were good and which are bad etc.
My take? Feminism is good, pretending you’re a feminist because you’re an apologist for mediocre work that has a female lead/cast is pathetic. You don’t know a god damn thing about me. If you think becoming a hulk and then being ghosted qualifies as an arc, let alone a feminist arc, you know nothing about arcs or feminism. You’re trying to flex your feminism as if it’s greater than mine? You’re not more feminist than me, you just have considerably lower standards. You want some real feminist TV, watch Crazy Ex-Girlfriend, The Handmaids Tale, or The Good Fight, to name a few. It’s not about being hot, a “girl boss,” or even being empowered, it’s about telling women’s stories and experiences competently, to have an engaging experience without it devolving into the kind of empty, pandering, unconvincing, “Girls are actually really good,” silliness that asks viewers to respect women instead of convincing them to. I don’t need Jen to be hot, cool, smart, bad ass, or kick ass, I need Jen to be someone I care about. There’s no point if nothing she does actually matters.
Everything I’ve heard about the She-Hulk comics was high praise, so the character and Tatiana Maslany deserve so much better. Women and feminism deserve better. Instead, we get a cartoon comedy that isn’t funny, a squandered supporting cast that never does anything, definitely not as much as the big guest stars they’ve heavily leaned on, and an undercooked main arc that only has two more episodes to get to where it’s going, which is likely going to be a video game boss fight that ends with Jen triumphant. Pointless empty calories, I guarantee it.
You seem really cool and not at all obsessive or pretentious, dude!You’re the only person here talking about feminism, and you’ve created a tiny, prescriptive version of it to use as a weapon while writing thousands of words about how a silly sitcom is ruining everything because it’s not what you, a person who isn’t familiar with this character, think it ought to be.You’re a joke.
What’s that, not one rebuttal to a single argument? Predictable.
I brought up the word feminism, but you’re the one who started making assumptions and non sequiturs about what I’m supposed to think female characters should be. This audience you’ve made up in your head, demanding we should all hold this up as some kind of important piece of women’s media is a fucking insult to all the women you insist on speaking on behalf of. You’re no white knight, and if this show deserved defending, you’d actually have an answer to anything I’m saying. Plenty of women think the show sucks. I’d accuse you of being in a bubble, but that implies you having consideration for the opinions of people you know instead of this total ass pull from your fragile ego and insistence on attacking people who have fair, accurate, and common criticisms. The show objectively does nothing well except for Tatiana Maslany’s performance.
Boy, are you insecure. I imagine you spend a lot of time railing against arguments other people didn’t make.I didn’t laud the show or claim to speak for anyone. I just said that you’re bloviating, affected prick.
I’m the insecure person, yet you’re the one repeatedly making ad hominem attacks over a TV show you’re not lauding. That makes me the prick? What is this even about? Who gives a fuck about this show this much? Psychotic assholes, apparently.
Locate some self-awareness!
“Female superheroes must be idealized supergoddesses that turn me on, not relatable characters pitched to a more female-skewing audience.”
Dating is hard out there. I have friends also in their mid-thirties (including a phd) who are trying the dating scene, and it’s brutal. It’s apps and lies and texting anxiety and not knowing how to navigate this landscape because dates no longer end when you say goodnight at the door. They go on and on and sometimes they ghost you, and you will never know why.
Speaking as a lawyer in their mid-30s who was on the dating scene until relatively recently, and many of whose friends are in the same or similar boats, no, the show’s take on dating is both relatable and accurate. Most of us are anxious, awkward messes. Jen could basically be any of a dozen friends of mine if they happened to turn into a hulk.
Speaking as an awkward, anxious 40 something that has trouble dating, the situation being relatable is not the point. The point is, me, you, and many of your friends don’t need everything explained to you by an entire group of men or a clichéd “sexual mentor” that are just around to say how cringe we are or shouldn’t be. We don’t fall apart and obsess over a ghosting after three dates. I’m also not someone who would be comfortable sleeping with someone so early in the relationship, not that there’s anything wrong with that.It’s also difficult to empathize and be as invested in the relationship as Jen because they chose to show its entirety in a montage. If they showed any more, for the story to work, we would see him telling her what she wanted to hear and feeding her ego, which would make her look really dumb. As is, they had tacos, went to a crafting fair…?, and went to a movie (a terrible date to get to know someone). She sought something casual, got something casual, and then was hurt as if it was more than casual. Maybe she ended up feeling something more than she intended, but it just rings false to me that she would have her guard up in the way that she does and let it down so easily.
Yeah; I had figured out how to live with my superhuman alter ego by junior year; sheesh.
Even 37 year olds can be dorky and unsure when dating.
she was a lead attorney on a partner track when we first meet herNo such thing as a partner track at the DA’s office.
Oops. In my defense, this show is getting a lot of things about the courtroom wrong that the writers admitted to not knowing anything about, such as Jen always sitting on the side furthest away from the jury box regardless of her being on defense or prosecution (the prosecution/plaintiff always sits on the side closest to the jury), or being fired for a heroic act with no pushback from the prosecutors union or red tape (that’s a written notice at best).
I would just like to point out that 37 year-olds did not grow up with phone dating apps. It creates even more anxiety to navigate for someone who is already single and awkward. Jenn is portrayed as not having dipped her toe into the dating field.
My very insecure good friend just got married over the weekend at 40 to a guy she met on a dating app 3-4 years ago. Their first few months was a lot of awkward texting and “what should I write?” They were a couple of 37 year-old WB teens (but with smart phones).
I assumed the Lawyer of the Year thing is a popularity contest. Isn’t that what most awards are?
Yeah, I assumed it was another thing she was getting because of She-Hulk and not Jen, which went with the remainder of the episode.
Excellent needle drops this episode: we’ve got “MMMBop” by Hanson, “IDGAF” by Dua Lipa, and my favorite, “Now I’m In It” by HAIM, the perfect soundtrack to Jen’s dream rom-com.
You left out the remarkably clever “Peppers and Onions” by Tierra Whack, which I would have never guessed would be on a MCU show and yet was so happy to be wrong.
I’m glad someone brought it up, that’s been my favorite needle drop so far!
Most of the stuff at the ranch fell flat for me. Unless he’s gonna be Abomination, I don’t want to see Emil anymore. His revamp is just the “Trevor” joke all over again, and it wasn’t funny the first time. I’d just like more conflict. The plot of this episode amounted to ‘sad a boy won’t call.’ As the MCU tries to improve its lineup of female heroes, this is such a weird way to be adapting the great She-Hulk. BUT… Jen’s therapeutic speech to the group was really good. It’s the kind of substance the show has been missing. I liked the ‘cool friend’ metaphor, and what that does for Jen psychologically. However, in the end, it’s still another episode where people need to stroke Jen’s ego, and tell her she’s awesome. That’s been the theme this season, even though we don’t really see why.
I’m not sure why you’re expecting a “why” for Jen being insecure. It’s a normal state and everyone has insecurities about aspects of themselves, no matter their accomplishments or profession, especially when it comes to dating. This, of all the MCU shows, has finally just taken that as a matter of fact.
I think you and I have been similarly lukewarm on the show throughout these reviews, but this one was by far my favorite episode and the best written/paced imo. The low stakes actually worked for it. Since it was only following Jen and the majority of the episode took place over one afternoon on the ranch, the story could breathe more and dig deeper into Jen’s character and the episode’s theme, rather than try to also cram in a half-baked court case and B-plot. It felt like an actual episodic story arc instead of “some things happened and then uh-oh, here’s a cliffhanger, find out more next time.” Give me more of this!I’d say the plot is more about her reconciling her two identities and not discounting “just Jen,” with “sad a boy won’t call” being a manifestation of the issue. It’s something that’s come up repeatedly, as you noted, and the show could’ve handled that emotional throughline more elegantly across the episodes, but I liked how it came together here. With the group therapy scene as the obvious highlight.
While I’m still enjoying it I wish it would lean a bit more one way or the other in terms of tone, right now it can be a little wishywashy and its hurting it especially with only 2 episodes left
Another week, another waste of time. Also, maybe She-Hulk would be the ‘prettier friend’ if Marvel didn’t bully their CGI artists. I’m at the point where I’m actually struggling to look at her.Where the hell is my boy Matt Murdock, this sinking ship needs saving…
I was super relieved that getting her to relax as Jen wasn’t a ploy to get her blood somehow. Those guys were actually good guys! I still think it’s silly that she didn’t ask the wrecking crew guy more questions. And thank god she’s such a good actor, her monologue towards the end was hindered a bit by her CGI face, but hearing the pain in her voice just carried it. I’m enjoying the hell out of this show and love that these characters have time to breath.
if she takes the relaxation thing into her life in future episodes, though, trying to learn to love “just Jen”, that would be interesting. i’m enjoying it and look forward to seeing whatever it is they do, but that would be an interesting turn either way.
I know they needed her to be in hulk form for the moment where she decides she’s good with being “just Jen” and turns back, but it was kind of a bummer the CGI hid her performance a bit there–I’m just imagining how much more powerful it would be with her actual face. Agree that she still knocked that scene out of the park though with her voice.
I was absolutely certain that Blonsky was tricking her, right up until she was being driven away. It was so perfect (especially with Saracen’s blood fixation) that it had to be writer’s intent.
Abomination as a good guy is too perfect. They don’t want to ruin that, “turns out former supervillain is still a supervillain” would be a boring development.
That character is actually helpfully called “The Wrecker”. In the comics, a construction crew gets their equipment powered up by Loki- can’t make it up! The gloriousness madness of Silver Age comics…
“She-Hulk” is “Ally McBeal” with superpowers.
If it was, I’d stop watching. I’m actually pretty grateful that it’s mostly felt more like Harvey Birdman than like Ally McBeal.
I’m reminded of Harvey Birdman as well. I’m sure they took some cues from the show.
More like this:
am I the only one that thought that Abomination and the gang (not a real gang) will definitely put the inhibitor on Jen when she de-hulks? I mean they even foreshadowed it with the electric fence and then the not-a-matador’s electricity related powers, so it was a very welcome surprise when it turned out they actually meant to help Jen
Oh no, I didn’t think of it, but now that you’ve pointed it out, I think that option is very much still in play. It’s awfully convenient that they got Jen to let go of Josh. A Jen who’s still obsessed with him would probably track him down a lot quicker.
Again, loved it. Charming and funny. I just wish this hadn’t ended on a sexually predatory note. I assume Josh is going to get knocked into a different county at some point.
Reading this comment thread it’s obvious who has and hasn’t read She Hulk comics.I think the show is a lot of fun and one of the better Marvel products in recent years because of it.
It’s obvious who has and hasn’t seen a sitcom… except everyone has seen a sitcom. Do they all have amnesia?
It’s less “reading She-Hulk comics” and more “blatant sexism” IMO. These manchildren are just getting their feelings hurt.
Or different people can like or dislike different things. The show intersects my two favorite genres currently, superhero media and romantic comedy and I think it does both poorly. Doesn’t negate your opinion, I am just a different person. It be like that sometimes.
If the only way to enjoy the show is to read them comics, then it’s not really a good show, IMO. I’ve seen a ton of sitcoms, courtroom dramas, and action oriented comic book shows, and I’m sorry to say, but She-Hulk is not that great. It’s a tonal mess that somewhat feels like a Disney or Nickelodeon kids show at times, but then handles some intense topics of misogyny and sexism, with one night stands and ghosting, while maintaining no purposeful direction, or introducing any stakes to compel the audience to watch beyond: she’s a female Hulk and she’s a lawyer. That’s just not cutting it for me… It’s not even middling in it’s comedy, presentation, or storytelling—making it one of the worst comic book shows I’ve seen. I’ve given it quite a few chances to improve, but it’s just not stepping up its game or giving me a reason to continue watching. I often ask myself: Why am I watching this? What purpose does this have in the MCU? All the other shows I’ve seen (tho haven’t watched Ms. Msrvel yet) have an understood purpose or goal to accomplish in the MCU, but She-Hulk kinda doesn’t. It’s really disappointing, because Bruce Banner’s Hulk has been a lot of places and has connected to a lot of story threads in the MCU. But now his presence with the introduction of She-Hulk boils down to introducing a character with no established place or connections. Everything so far just feels like short-lived cameos… And so I ask again: Why am I watching this?I’ve never read the “House of M” comic, but I loved WandaVision. I’m not sure if there’s any comic material for Falcon & The Winter Soldier, but if there is, then I never read it. I also never read into Hawkeye for his show, and I never even heard of Moon Knight until his show was announced. I think all those are pretty decent entries into the MCU and vastly superior to She-Hulk. I also can’t say that I’ve read a single Black Panther comic, but that ended up being in my top 5 of MCU films, because it’s simply a very good film. If I have to read She-Hulk to understand She-Hulk, which is something I’ve never had to do with other people, then understanding She-Hulk becomes a chore, and that doesn’t make this worthwhile, especially since the show is already a cinematic mess.
Am I allowed to think that this show is really, really mediocre? That it’s missing it’s mark and wasting a ton of talent? That it’s not funny? That it’s as decidedly average as a huge chunk of the other series’/movies that whatever-phase of the MCU we’re in now has delivered? Am I allowed dread that us finally seeing Daredevil in the MCU proper will be absolutely undermined by some horrendous joke and not be the kick-ass, jumping-out-of-our-seat, fist-pumping moment both the fans and the character deserves? I really, really want to like She-Hulk. I so want it to pull something out of the bag and give us a satisfying finale. But… it’s just a bit shit, isn’t it? I feel like I’m not allowed to say that here, like I’m gonna be declared a hater or something… but surely even the people defending this thing can admit that it’s not really that good?
During that slow pan of various rooms with multiple Jens sharing the screen, I was really hoping one of them would be Helena.
The cut to Jen singing “MMMBop” reminded me of this:
What Josh did to Jen is one of the reasons I don’t delete contacts; she just made it harder to track him down later. But then, I’m actually capable of just not talking to someone anymore, even if their number is still in my phone.
Well, we suspected Josh was in on it. The funny thing is, though, I think we would all have suspected Josh was just a little too perfect in any other Marvel show, but in this one without the reveal of “Intelligentsia” and the surveillance thing from last episode, I don’t know that we would have gone in that direction.But by copying her phone, they now have all of her contacts, any personal information kept on it. They may even be able to start trying to ruin her by texting things to people as her. And being able to have a picture of someone in their own bed is gold for people trying to harrass someone. It’s like sending them a picture of their front door, but even more intense.Basically, I don’t know what they want with her blood, but they are definitely going to try to destroy her personally and professionally with what they’ve just stolen.
This episode was especially dumb and grating.
Once again we have a lot of people with mass amnesia about what a sitcom is like. The main characters are going to be made fun of. All the time.
I hope they explain how Josh got her blood. Is he a mutant with some sort of proboscis-like syphoning penis? Is Josh a vampire who bit her, drank her blood, went out to his car later, and threw up in a ziplock bag? Seriously, though if they flashback to him, like, chloroforming her after they had sex and putting a giant needle in her arm and drawing blood… Jesus. Sex crime much, Josh? It’s so heinous, I’d have to guess Josh – however evil he is or not is – will (as a plot necessity) have to wash up dead on the shore. I could see it if they’re trying to traumatize Jen into permanently becoming She-Hulk (which is where she lands in the comics) but whoa… hardcore.
He might have gotten lucky and… y’know… found some in the bathroom trash can.
Another great episode. I really enjoyed this one and the performances of both Maslany and Roth continue to shine.
the posters in Emil’s retreat were also hilarious! i need some of those. “Today is today.”
ABOMASTE
Oh, hey. You should know I was working for a man who paid my group to steal your blood. He was part of a group of super villains who created a website for men who hate you and track your every move. Yes, I called him boss, and not the client, because I’ve worked for him before. I am familiar with his name or how he looks. Why would you ask?
Josh is not HulkKing. He was sending a message to him. Look back when we see the messages between Jen and Josh, we’re seeing them from the perspective of Jen’s phone and the person she is messaging has their name at the top of the screen. Josh is messaging HulkKing.
Female Lawyer of the Year….an award which is probably not super followed. Honestly it would make sense to nominate Jen, trailblazer in superhuman law, if only to get people to pay attention to their awards, regardless if she deserves it on merits or not.
This was the best episode so far.
So I’ve been wondering, where is all this The Leader rumour stuff coming from did anything actually get leaked? I’ve seen so many comments “The Leader is all but confirmed!!!” but like it could be any character trying to get her blood…. I just feel like that sad group of fans is gearing up for another Mephisto situation (where they’re bored watching one show so they’ve convinced themselves there will be some huge reveal at the end that has larger implications for the MCU) Like…. this might be a crazy concept for you guys out there but maybe we’re just watching a show called She-Hulk… and I’m fine with that. Ya’ll need more interesting lives.
Well, The Leader was a (arguably the) key member of The Intelligencia in the comics.I guess I just feel like some people go out of their way to find things to hate.
my one issue with this episode was that I felt uneasy about the very last scene. Just because of how many times they mentioned its their first time having sex having him take a picture of like that while she’s sleeping afterward and implying he took blood samples seems extremely creepy. Not even in a villain way where I’m like “the hero needs to beat that guy!” but in like a “oh that felt weird” way.
Josh’s heel turn was ruined in both last episode and this episode’s previously ons because of juxtaposition with the stuff about incels I love the videogame music in the Yurt part.I agree that the sexual aspect of the manipulation was not handled well…and why was there ummm blood involved?
Sorry to self-reply, but just wanted to mention that I still hate the CGI, but Jen’s speech about the popular friend proves that even through a CGI face Maslany can act the hell out of everything.Look up the lady who is the on-set reference for She-Hulk, she’s 6 foot 5 and pretty awesome
I think the whole think with Blonsky was a setup.His tracker goes off three days after Josh left so she is down.It’s a Sunday so the parole office has no backup so naturally he calls her (as the lawyer).Blonsky is obviously lying and manipulating the entire encounter (including the signal only working in the one cabin.And then that guy shows up and she doesn’t interrogate him for who he is working for or why they wanted the blood. She’s a lawyer it’s the first place she’d go. But she is so distracted by Josh she just sits there and takes it.I will cheer when he punches Porcupine’s face in.It’s a terrible betrayal for her, and it’s telegraphed an episode or two in advance.
I think this is the worst Marvel show so far. The storyline is boring, the 4th wall breaking feels forced and gimmicky and some of the appearances of comic book minor characters are lame. Man-Bull looked dumb and nothing like his comic counterpart (Porcupine looked awful too but he does in the comics as well), Wrecking Crew were underwhelming. I’m hoping that with Jen’s blood they get transformed into much more fearsome characters but who knows? I guessed what was happening with Josh early on this episode.