With its YA angle, can The Walking Dead: World Beyond reanimate the zombie apocalypse?

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With its YA angle, can The Walking Dead: World Beyond reanimate the zombie apocalypse?
Nico Tortorella Photo: AMC

There’s rust flaking off the twisted metal bars surrounding the empty pool. The enveloping woods look as though they’ve been reclaimed by wildlife—unsurprising, considering the middle-of-nowhere drive required to get here. And the paint, faded and peeling off the signs at this long-abandoned water park just outside Richmond, Virginia, is too faint to give any indication of how many years have passed since anyone last set foot inside this now-empty hub of onetime youthful recreation. Or rather, it would seem empty, were it not for the dozens of people hustling around, trying to keep on-schedule as the cast and crew of AMC’s splashy new show struggle to make sure they’re not still filming when the sun comes up. But walk 30 yards south of where the cameras are set up, and all you’ll hear is the creak of decaying playground swings and the odd bird crying in the stillness. If you want eerie post-apocalyptic vibes, you’ve come to the right place.

Which is only fitting. The Walking Dead: World Beyond, the new spin-off series from AMC’s long-running (and soon-to-end) juggernaut The Walking Dead, is hoping to breathe new life into the world of the undead. The flagship program has seen sharply declining ratings over the past few years—it’s still the top-rated show on AMC, but at roughly 3 million live viewers per episode, it’s a far cry from the more than 17 million tuning in during season five. Some of the drop-off could be attributed to a dip in quality (many cite the ignominious send-off of Rick Grimes as the moment they checked out), but even if you believe the past two seasons under new showrunner Angela Kang have seen an improvement in storytelling, there’s no denying the steady attrition of interest. And yet AMC is doubling down on its belief in the viability of the Walking Dead world: Planned spin-off movies with Grimes, continuing to expand Fear The Walking Dead’s narrative ambitions, and announcing a show focused on Daryl and Carol to continue this story once The Walking Dead ends, all signal a firm commitment to the network’s equivalent of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. And the first big gamble in this expansion is World Beyond.

The new series certainly isn’t skimping when it comes to production value, which in this case means creating the look of a world more than a decade into the aftermath of the zombie apocalypse. The show focuses on a handful of teenagers—the first generation of kids to come of age in a world overrun by the undead (or “empties,” in the new parlance of the series, replacing the mothership program’s “walkers”)—venturing out into the now-unfamiliar and mostly vacant American landscape. As a result, the production design requires a look even more ramshackle and run-down than what we’ve seen before. And that goes for the zombies, too; as John Wrightson, the key makeup effects artist for the new series, explains it, there’s a fundamental aesthetic to all the undead you’ll be seeing: “Decay.”

Ironically, crafting a series set in an even more decomposed world than The Walking Dead (or Fear The Walking Dead) is all about injecting some fresh, youthful energy into a universe that’s been growing long in the tooth. There’s a distinct YA flavor to the tone of World Beyond that comes from transposing the life-or-death struggles of this reality onto teenage protagonists. Sure, they could be attacked at any minute by the hordes of jawing undead, but they’re still dealing with hormones, crushes, and the angst of figuring themselves out—zombies or no zombies. Personality changes that are big deals for adults are practically routine for adolescents. As Hal Cumpston, who plays 17-year-old Silas, puts it, “These teenagers don’t know who they are normally anyway!”

That goes double for Silas, a Boo Radley-like outcast in the community that’s evolved inside the fortified walls of a university in Omaha, Nebraska, where survivors have managed to build a thriving populace largely insulated from the terrors outside its gates. The angry and withdrawn young man gets roped into the narrative via teen sisters Iris (Aliyah Royale) and Hope (Alexa Mansour), who are spurred to action in the pilot, leaving the compound in search of their scientist father. Along with Silas, they also find themselves joined by Elton (Nicolas Cantu), an earnest overachiever eager to put his book learning to the test in the outside world. Hot on the kids’ trail in the pilot are Felix (Nico Tortorella) and Huck (The Americans’ Annet Mahendru); the latter is a former Marine, now a security guard at the university, while the former is not only her boss, but also an adopted older brother of sorts to Iris and Hope.

Beyond that basic outline, the travails of these kids and their older protectors are practically state secrets within the production. As all of us journalists sent to cover the show on this trip agree, this is one of the most zealously guarded set visits outside of a Marvel movie. At one point, after being assured that we’ve signed NDAs allowing her to speak freely about any and all plot points, actor Aliyah Royale begins to answer a relatively innocuous question, then turns to the publicist: “Am I allowed to talk about [a certain narrative twist]?” The answer is immediate: “No.” So much for those NDAs.

Still, some things are open for discussion, especially the distinctive personalities each of these kids brings to their group of travelers. Sisters Iris and Hope are the core of this makeshift family—and as is often the case with siblings, they’re a study in contrasts. “Hope is the girl that you will find drunk in a locker room; Iris is the one who’d be up all night studying,” as Mansour puts it. “Hope is an angsty teen. She doesn’t give a shit about anything. She’s pretty sure she could die at any moment, and I don’t think she cares.” Whereas Iris, Royale explains, goes the opposite direction. “I really like playing a person who is so giving,” she says, “who doesn’t have a selfish bone in her body.” As the pair’s journey progresses, both start to realize their respective worldviews could use some adjusting.

One thing all the actors we spoke to hope is that this series will connect with kids in a way that its forbears didn’t. By focusing on a younger cast, there are opportunities to explore YA issues in a manner the original show wouldn’t or couldn’t. One of the series’ key themes is isolation, that sense of feeling like you’re all alone that many kids experience—a feeling that can be blown out to a much more symbolically significant degree in the wasteland of a zombie apocalypse. “As cheesy as it sounds, I hope they realize that they’re not alone,” Mansour says of the potential audience of kids checking out the show. Explaining how she was intensely bullied at a young age, the actor admits it wasn’t hard to connect to Hope’s angst and disillusionment, that lack of self-esteem that makes her dismiss her own value. “It’s important for kids who are watching this to see that it’s okay to be open about what you’re feeling… It’s not the end of the world, it’s going to get better.”

Nicolas Cantu, who plays 14-year-old Elton (and therefore the default younger brother of the gang), agrees. “I really do relate to Elton. The world is brutal, and he’s just come to accept that.” Cantu thinks the view of reality as a cold and cruel place is one that a lot of teens can relate to, unfortunately—but also one they often refuse to let prevent them from living life. “Elton sees it as a positive nihilism,” he offers, tying his character’s attitude to that of people he’s known in real life. “Whatever happens, he wants to be there to observe it.” As similarly genre-specific books and films like The Hunger Games and The Maze Runner have demonstrated, sometimes seeing life-or-death predicaments through the eyes of young people can spur fresh and insightful narratives out of well-worn tropes.

But there are other draws to the series, ones that further the advances made by the original series. Nico Tortorella, who comes to World Beyond after four years on the TV Land dramedy Younger, was attracted to the inclusivity woven into the series—especially his character, Felix, a queer man in a loving relationship who also happens to be a total badass. “Felix is very much a hero. He protects the people around him, in a way that’s contradictory to the stereotype of what a gay character usually is on television.” Tortorella is no stranger to LGBTQ activism—he was in Bali working with queer youth when he got the call about joining the Walking Dead universe—and was energized by the way the show works to create not just a plausible zombie apocalypse, but also a model of future progress that has evolved since the original show began a decade ago. “This show coming out 10 years later, it’s different. The art that we create is a mirror of what’s happening, and this binary divide that exists in the country and the world has never been stronger. And what Scott [Gimple, executive producer] said to me that really grabbed my attention was, ‘The only binary that really exists post-apocalypse is dead and alive.’ That just really struck a chord with me. I wanna live in that world. I wanna know what that feels like.”

Even though the show filmed before the pandemic—World Beyond was originally set to premiere in late March (and this set visit occurred almost a year ago now)—some of the themes have become uncomfortably relevant to our current predicament. As the world tries to figure out how to restructure itself in the face of an ongoing threat, a show about carrying on with life in a satisfying way despite the ever-present specter of danger carries more than a whiff of timeliness. True, it’s all too easy to repurpose culture, to look at it through the lens of the present, but some of the comments made on set can’t help but feel oddly prescient. “Life has been so dire,” Annet Mahendru says of the world of the show. “We all have these strong ties to what life was like before, and we’re all trying to figure out who we are now, and is there a future, and what we can do about that.” It’s enough to make one consider taking notes on her character’s survival techniques.

Still, it would be silly to get too somber. This is a show about fighting off zombies, after all, with all the attendant thrills and larger-than-life adventurism that premise entails. If anything, the edge-of-your-seat excitement World Beyond is going for can only be helped by the youthful perspective. “The show is through the eyes of teenagers, so everything is more exaggerated, everything is more intense,” Cantu says. “An empty threat might not be that much of a threat to a more experienced person, but Elton is very new,” Royale agrees. “The minute that [Iris] encounters the first walker, it’s just absolute fear. As much as you can prepare, as many books as you can read, you can’t prepare.”

AMC is presumably hoping that that sense of newness extends to the audience, as World Beyond premieres to a culture getting ready to bid farewell to the series that spawned it. It makes sense as a gambit: If the audience is tuning out from the very adult themes and scenarios that defined the original, why not go the opposite tack? A little bit of wide-eyed wonder and heightened emotion might be the key to reinvesting viewers in a universe they think they already know. As Mahendru notes, if the audience is wise to the ways of this undead land, so are the characters. “The world is still the same, if not worse, because time has gone by. Everyone’s gotten stronger because of that.” Still, as she warns with a laugh, “So have the walkers—they’ve been walking for awhile now!”


Travel and accommodations for this set visit were provided by AMC.

84 Comments

  • jeffreyyourpizzaisready-av says:

    It’s “Walking Dead Babies”!

  • treeves15146-av says:

    No. This series is way past its sell date. I checked out with the violence porn of Negan bashing those people’s heads in. (I forget the names). I watched a few episodes of Fear the Walking Dead and they squandered the one thing it had going for it, which is it started right when the zombie apocalypse started and breezed right past it to be TWD west coast. There is literally nothing left to tell in this universe. They established there is no cure, so every plot point is new baddie comes, does something awful…seven episodes filler, someone dies at mid season..another seven episodes of filler, the baddie is defeated, repeat.It is all window dressing. This show has teenagers! So what! Fear has people of color! So what. It is the same show. AMC should be looking for the next Mad Men or Breaking bad or Halt and Catch Fire, not keeping alive this shark jumped premise for the diminishing returns low ratings.

    • murrychang-av says:

      AMC should bring back Into the Badlands instead of continuing with this drek. 

    • ohnoray-av says:

      I’m curious to see what the world looks like for children of the zombies, I feel I’ve been wanting to see something like this in zombie stories for awhile on television, but we’ll see how long before they rush the dusty zombies and it just becomes the walking dead again.

    • tvcr-av says:

      AMC has the rights to The Vampire Chronicles. That feels like a show that wouldn’t appeal much to the Walking Dead crowd, but with TWD cast no longer working on the show, perhaps we could see a few of them in new roles. Darryl as a grittier Lestat, Glen as Louis… I don’t know. Is Sophia still young enough to play Claudia? I stopped watching when Glen died.

    • frankwalkerbarr-av says:

      They haven’t done Fur the Walking Dead yet in which the zombies are battled by people wearing elaborate animal costumes.

      • cordingly-av says:

        And don’t forget Burr the Walking Dead, where by some mishap, time traveling zombies are dispatched by historical figures.

    • happoopappoo-av says:

      The Negan head bashing is when I stopped too. It was too much after the earlier fake out with Glen. They lost my trust. 

  • miked1954-av says:

    I’m a bit worried about that kid up top in the brown three piece suit including vest. Did the zombie apocalypse happen while he was in rehearsals for ‘The Music Man’?

    • cropply-crab-av says:

      Very confused as to where he got that. Do they loot a zombie Wes Anderson in the pilot?

      • galdarn-av says:

        “Very confused as to where he got that. “

        As we all know, vintage shops will be the first to fall in the zombie apocalypse.

        Or, you know, maybe he, um…owned it?

        • cropply-crab-av says:

          It’s set a decade after the initial zombie outbreak. Obviously they’re salvaging pre-apocalypse clothes, it just seems very silly that that one kid is so aesthetic compared to the rest who are all dressed pretty practically. Even if it was the only thing I had to wear during an apocalypse, I’d probably ditch the waistcoat at least. 

      • nothem-av says:

        Seriously. Why would you wear that 10 years into a zombie apocalypse? One week into Covid people would bail on that getup.

        • miked1954-av says:

          Standard zombie apocalypse gear: sweat pants and flip-flops.

        • obatarian-av says:

          1 day into covid and I stopped wearing pants while working! I haven’t worn a suit since February and was so happy I never had to wear one last summer.

        • frankwalkerbarr-av says:

          Good point. Why isn’t everyone in these shows not just wearing pajamas? If we can’t be bothered getting dressed in this time of Covid, why bother for the actual collapse of civilization?

        • cordingly-av says:

          The most unbelievable thing about zombie movies are the lack of people wearing sweat pants.

      • bcfred-av says:

        They live in Omaha.  Outfits like that are probably strewn around the city.

    • murrychang-av says:

      The zombies are going to beat him up, steal his lunch money and THEN eat his brains.The post apocalypse SUCKS for a nerd.

    • elchappie2-av says:

      Don’t forget that the Scavengers somehow forgot how to form complete sentences like they were raised by Kevin from the Office..Writer had bad idea. Put in show anyway. Make season 8 stupid.

  • jalapenogeorge-av says:

    How can we rebuild interest in our flagging series? Let’s do a spin off full of brand news characters and make those characters angsty teens!This sounds awful. TWD also had kids. They were undoubtedly the worst part of the show and correctly jettisoned to the side. TWD is also set a decade after the apocalypse so no new perspective there. Hell, TWD even already has a badass LGBT character (or four?).
    I’m not quite completely over the whole walking dead universe, and I can still see some interesting perspectives/stories to tell, but this YA PSA ain’t it.

  • luasdublin-av says:

    Venn diagram of “ Things that are done to death” and need to be canned.Circle :1 “ Angsty bleak Zombie media”Circle 2″ Angsty Young Adult drama”.

  • theporcupine42-av says:

    We taking bets on whether this gets to air a full season before getting axed? I feel like it’s a given that it won’t get a second season.

    • galdarn-av says:

      “We taking bets on whether this gets to air a full season before getting axed?”

      Yes, 100%. I will take that bet. I’ll bet every cent I have in the world.

      When was the last time AMC canceled a show mid-season. Besides, you know, never?

    • humperdinck-av says:

      It’s already picked up for a second season, and it’s only going to be two seasons long.

  • keepcalmporzingis-av says:

    I fell asleep just reading the article. AMC has done the impossible and made zombies boring.

  • sven-t-sexgore-av says:

    Could it be a decent show in theory: Yes, though I’m not going to hold my breath.

    Can it revive the zombie genre: Fuck no. This is not a series known for creative or novel approaches to its genre and the genre itself is pretty damn played out. 

  • reglidan-av says:

    I suspect that in short order, the teenagers will discover that the enemy is really us and that we are the walking dead.So, no, I don’t really think it will revive anything.

  • miss-tina-av says:

    I am happy to see Annet Manhendru. I’m nearing the end of a rewatch of The Americans and she was fantastic in that show. Poor NinaI would like to see the process of rebuilding a society. How do you get from horses to trains, from animal power to industrial revolution—the blueprints are around but will history take the same course? Also…shouldn’t there be a lot fewer dead by now? Natural causes for the few remaining humans would be a tiny number and in the decade or so since the beginning, most of the infected population would presumably have been exterminated or eventually, as Noah Emmerich said in S1 at the CDC, actually be really dead.

    • actionactioncut-av says:

      I am happy to see Annet Manhendru.I was skimming this post, becoming more and more bored and annoyed with each detail, and then: Annet Mahendru’s name, which led to a brief “Well, maybe…” but then I immediately came to my senses.

    • conan-in-ireland-av says:

      I agree with you about the premise of the show rebuilding a society. I would love to see a Walking Dead show infused with the themes of Deadwood. (Walking Deadwood, har har.) But Scott Gimple isn’t David Milch.

      • doobie1-av says:

        The catch-22 of a zombie show is that people will piss and moan if the there aren’t regular zombie attacks, but zombies can’t really sustain a series, let alone a huge media empire. One of the TWD biggest problems is that, for all the feints toward civilization and society, its characters always default to just trying to survive by the middle of the season. The characters are exactly as depressed by this as one might expect, which makes it a slog to sit through as a viewer.

        The show you want might be better achieved by having the disaster just be a partial nuclear war or a death ray from space or something.

      • frankwalkerbarr-av says:

        There was the (pen-and-paper not computer) RPG called Deadlands which was about a zombie apocalypse in the Old West.

    • bcfred-av says:

      Something that 28 Days Later got right – these are still organisms that need fuel, and will eventually starve to death. I realize I’m probably nitpicking a zombie story but the laws of thermodynamics don’t cease to exist.

      • r3507mk2-av says:

        28DL was one of the few zombie stories to have a wholly mundane explanation for it’s zombies. (Super rabies, basically.) TWD doesn’t stick to the rational – while zombie bites do kill, I seem to recall that *any* dead human comes back as a Walker if their body is sufficiently intact.What I’m trying to say is that TWD has already thumbed it’s nose at thermodynamics.

    • wakemein2024-av says:

      I’d be interested in a show about the rebuilding. Society, government, technology. There would be important decisions all along the way, and no small amount of peril.It could be a stealth adaptation of A Canticle for Leibowitz

    • kimothy-av says:

      She was one of my favorite characters and one of my favorite actors from that show. I’ve been listening to this podcast, Tanis, and there is a character on it who sounds just like her.

  • grogthepissed-av says:

    I’m a Walking Dead apologist and still enjoy the original despite the drop off in quality and well-established issues with the show. And even I am not interested in this new version. Had they gone back and done what many hoped Fear would be (anthology of the world falling apart for different groups of people a la World War Z), I’d be all in. This is just beating a zombie horse.

    • fireupabove-av says:

      Yeah, this is pretty much where I am with it. I just don’t care about anything outside the core show (which I also still watch & enjoy), and once it’s done, so am I. I don’t care about the Rick movies, the Carol & Daryl show, these teenagers or even Fear TWD.

      • grogthepissed-av says:

        I gave Fear a shot during the first season to see if it did the collapse justice, but when the second season immediately became just the original show in a new setting I quit. I caught a few episodes here and there when Morgan jumped over, but it was all too silly to keep me hooked. I’m willing to admit there’s a degree of investment with the characters from the OG that keeps me in with finishing returns, but nothing strong enough to draw me into their spin-offs unless they really step up the game on their storytelling.

        • fireupabove-av says:

          I think the one thing they could maybe do to draw me into a new show is have it be episodic rather than an arc and have it set primarily on a boat on some long river – the Missouri/Mississippi, Rio Grande, Yukon, Colorado, something. They have to stop occasionally, gather supplies, fight off zombies and the occasional crazy gang leader, but they figure it out week to week and mostly just kinda see what happened to the country. It would probably be way too expensive to recreate the distinct geography of all the waypoints they’d hit.

          • bcfred-av says:

            Thus the World War Z suggestion. It’s still just sitting out there since Pitt decided to turn the movie version into a standard-issue zombie flick. The best part of the book was looking at how different cultures would react, given what we know about them today.
            China – pretend it isn’t happening until it’s no longer deniable (boy does THAT sound prescient)USA – try to blow it up, at least for a whileNorth Korea – go totally dark, funneling its population into bunkers which now may or may not be entirely populated with zombiesRussia – throw as many of its soldiers at the problem as needed regardless of casualties
            etc.

    • miked1954-av says:

      There’s a TV series that’s just started from Korea named “Zombie Detective”. Its about one of the walking dead who uses skin care products to disguise himself and somehow gets a job as a private eye.

    • kimothy-av says:

      Or, take out the zombies. They’re all gone now, except maybe a random one here and there from someone who died alone. Make it more about surviving without the comforts we were used to before the zombie apocalypse happened. 

  • miked1954-av says:

    When The Walking Dead first appeared a decade ago I saw it as a pretty obvious allegory for Iraq war-related PTSD paranoia. Heavily armed Americans behind a fence with a hostile world surrounding them. Welcome to Mosul! Now I don’t know what its an allegory for.

    • perlafas-av says:

      It’s an allegory for good comics turned into soul-less tv shows that just won’t die.

    • frankwalkerbarr-av says:

      Yeah, it’s absolutely unrelatable. They discover early on that the CDC was ineffectual. Imagine living through a pandemic where the CDC was useless and run by worthless political hacks!

  • thekinjacaffeinespider-av says:

    No, we’re done with zombies. We have had it with zombies. It’s all about revenants now.Ass.

  • bs-leblanc-av says:

    Based on the pic, the kid to the right is both my least (WTH, a three-piece corduroy suit?) and favorite character (a pocket fisherman!).

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  • hcd4-av says:

    This is kind of a random comment, but I’m getting slight uncanny valley vibes from some of these stills, especially around the figures. I’ve never had that going this direction—photos feeling weird as opposed to CGI getting close but not quite the mark. Something about how in focus everything is/isn’t? A kind of diorama effect?Re: Walking Dead—the kind of saturation AMC has been engaged in with the franchise has always felt like too much too soon with diminishing returns, except it’s obviously been successful enough. Much like superheros or any other genre, the sooner they break out of the most common mode of stories the better. It reminds me of World War Z (the book), which I think had success thanks to its variety. I don’t know if AMC will ever try to go past “humans are the monsters,” since this sounds like Walking Dead but with level 1 fighters or something, but maybe?

  • xy0001-av says:

    God i hope not. Zombies haven’t been interesting for over a decade 

  • weedlord420-av says:

    “Aliyah Royale begins to answer a relatively innocuous question, then turns to the publicist: “Am I allowed to talk about [a certain narrative twist]?””If the twist isn’t “one of the kids dies before the end of episode 1” I’ll be stunned. 

  • mykinjaa-av says:

    You know why you didn’t see a lot of kids in TWD? Because adults killed them, ate them or enslaved them. THE END. This is dumb.

  • romain13420-av says:

    Hey, Nico Tortorella identifies as non-binary and their pronouns are they/them

  • amessagetorudy-av says:

    I’m trying to stay with TWD until end (six episodes sitting in my DVR) but just waiting for the next warlord to get theirs is tedious. Make this an anthology series and take it around the world. How are they fighting zombies and struggling with rebuilding society in France? Kenya? Tokyo? Toronto? San Paulo? Did some places deal with it quickly unlike others? Are some societies successfully weaponizing zombies? Have others harnessed them for power? What’s going on elsewhere (and I don’t mean on the other coast with the same dumb people)? Move this show out of the country and stop trying to get us to care about a character so you can dangle them in front of us and chop their head off. 

    • harleyquinnpleasechokeme-av says:

      I second your anthology suggestion. Fear the Walking Dead started with that idea, and they had me until AMC decided to completely upend it’s cast, timeline, premise, hell EVERYTHING, just to cross it over into TWD. It isn’t said enough, but season 3 of Fear is one of that entire franchise’s best.

  • preparationheche-av says:

    I bet it caaa-an’t!

  • bmglmc-av says:

    from left: Alexa Mansour, Aliyah Royale, Hal Cumpston, and Nicolas Cantu in The Walking Dead: World Beyond

    whaaat? Alexa Mansour is third, Hal Cumpston is second— look, can someone please get fired over this and tell us about it please

  • lmh325-av says:

    Way back when, there was a super scary British miniseries called “Threads” that was all about nuclear fallout. In some ways, it was like the Day After, but it went further to deal with how society would potentially rebuild and what the social implications were of an annihilated society down to kids like not knowing how to talk properly because most parents were dead and there was no real school anymore.I’d almost like to see that approach to this. Rather than living in a clean, secure college campus, how would a group of plucky teens rebuild society if the zombies suddenly went away? If people were able to go back to their pre-Walker lives, but no one from those days was left, what would society look like? Would it bounce back? Would there be cars and wifi and modern conveniences? 

  • harleyquinnpleasechokeme-av says:

    Good God. So the WD universe is now: The original, Fear, Beyond, Tales, and the Daryl/Carol spin-off. That’s FIVE shows…SIX if I count Talking Dead. Who wants all of these shows? Surely even the biggest fans of this universe have a point of over-saturation? 

    • taumpytearrs-av says:

      The Daryl/Carol spin-off comes after the main series ends. So its not really a new show per se so much as a financial boondoggle to keep the show going with its most popular characters and easily cut the rest of the cast and reset pay rates back to “season 1″ prices (as pay generally increases with each subsequent multi-year contract). I imagine the actors playing Carol and Daryl will still get a pretty penny since they are the main draws, but if everyone else is new then they are starting from zero in terms of pay rate and negotiating power and it will be much cheaper to produce.

      • harleyquinnpleasechokeme-av says:

        It’s…still a new and separate show, though? Like I’m sure you’re right and the incentive for the show’s creation is financial and all that, but…it’s still a separate entity. And I know that the rest of the original will not air along with the other 4 shows, but I’d argue that 4 shows + an after show is still beyond the point of over saturation.

        • taumpytearrs-av says:

          I guess it depends on what qualifies as a “different” show. At this point its a bit of a “Ship of Theseus situation… they are the only actors/characters from the first two seasons of the main show who are still around, and the main protagonist of the first umpteen years is gone. If they change the name but keep the two longest standing cast members, does that really change anything? Unless they have some new hook, like the new show is Walking Dead Babies, Fear… was supposed to chronicle the actual outbreak, but I don’t see what new hook could make “Carol & Daryl” (which is absolutely what the title should be) differ from the main series in any way other than a new title and cutting the cast back down to more manageable numbers like the first seasons of the main show.And I agree it is total oversaturation, I think even if it was just still the main series going it is long past time to put it to pasture, multiple spin-offs is ridiculous.

          • harleyquinnpleasechokeme-av says:

            “Different” or not, it’s still a new show in the plain technical sense, and that’s all I’m considering when tallying up how many entries this god forsaken franchise is racking up 😉. I agree w/all your points though. Creatively, The Relentlessly Sepia Toned Adventures of Carol and Daryl won’t be “new” in any sense of the word. Given that AMC has Scott “I don’t want this zombie movie to ever end” Gimple at the helm of the WD universe, I’m half sure this shit will just limp on forever and ever and ever. 

  • soyientgreen-av says:

    Since AMC has no desire to let these shows just fade away, I’m willing to bring back Zombo, Zombie of the Plains for the right price.

  • buffalobear-av says:

    Not doing it. Young adult, first of all. Ugh. Pass.Dumping Fear TWD, too. Don’t care about the characters anymore. It’s dried out and lifeless. Had potential, but they had to kill off anyone interesting and replace them with those who are… NOT.The only reason I’m going to stick with the original TWD this season is because of Daryl and Carol – the last two I give a shit about. Will see if they can save it. No more Michonne, so – fuck it, hanging by a thread.Why the hell did they have to ruin zombies? Why?

  • bammontaylor-av says:

    I guess AMC needs to keep the money flowing, but I assume this is going to be another “apparently only stupid people survive the apocalypse” zombie show so I will pass.

  • erictan04-av says:

    Its first episode was boring. Does it get better?

  • davidhpe-av says:

    Four teenagers prepare for a trip of 1,000 miles through zombie infested lands and they choose a fossil and a giant heavy wrench as their weapons of choice and a 3 piece corduroy suit as clothing.  Yea right.  Then then sit around and pontificate for 90 % of the show.  Not doing the franchise any favors with this one.  The only thing I am interested in this series is to get more information on the nature of the black helicopter people but I am prepared to be disappointed there too.

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