The relationship between Eddie Murphy and Bill Cosby—the most influential Black performers of the 1980s and ’90s (and also, arguably, all time)—has always been a fraught one. Murphy has talked in the past about the unasked for advice the older, more “respectable” Cosby would send his way during their respective heydays about being the “right” kind of Black comedian in America—the irony of which the Coming To America star clearly seemed to relish during his monologue on Saturday Night Live this weekend, in which he pointed out how weird it is that he’s now a comfortable, respected, mostly-quiet stay-at-home father, and Cosby is a registered sex offender who’s currently serving time in jail.
But hey: You know who didn’t enjoy those jokes, in which Murphy busted out his Cosby impression (the one he declined to employ during the show’s big 40th anniversary special back in 2015, on the grounds of not kicking the guy while he was down) in order to ask “Who’s America’s Dad now?” Convicted sex offender Bill Cosby, whose representation issued a statement today condemning Murphy as, among other things, “a Hollywood Slave.”
In fact, the statement goes pretty heavy on the “Eddie Murphy is a bad Black person because he said something mildly mean about Bill Cosby on TV” stuff, invoking all sorts of gross imagery regarding the supposed meanings of Murphy’s decision to point out that Bill Cosby is, in fact, in jail. It even goes so far as to suggest that Murphy is bringing about “the destruction of Black men in Hollywood,” ignoring that even if that idea wasn’t ludicrously simplistic on the face of it—which, it is—we’re still pretty sure that nothing Murphy’s done has been anywhere near as harmful as Cosby’s own decision to consciously craft himself into some kind of cultural role model, while simultaneously spending years (allegedly) engineering situations in which he could sexually assault the women in his orbit.
Murphy has yet to respond to the Cosby camp’s comments; he’s presumably busy spending the holidays with his family, which he can, because he’s not in jail for committing sexual assault.
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Meh. Fuck him. The joke was funny.
And it wasn’t an attack! It was a statement of a fact (he is indeed in jail) and an impression!You could still tell that he didn’t want to lay into Cosby. And that’s smart, if you happen to have some sordid life in your own background, albeit nowhere near as heinous. I worry though, he may actually still feel kind of bad for Cosby.
Yeah, he wasn’t up to do Cosby in the 40th anniversary show. That’s why all he did was come up and give a speech, no jokes. I don’t think he feels bad for Cosby, though.
When you consider that Eddie, out of deference, wouldn’t do the Bill Cosby joke at the 40th Anniversary special that Norm wrote for the Celebrity Jeopardy skit (this was before Cosby was convicted, just accused… and accused… and accused.. and accused… and, well, you know), it’s even more insane.
I think the difference between the proposed 40th Anniversary show and Saturday’s monologue was that in the first instance they were using Murphy to put words in Bill Cosby’s character/mouth and in Saturday’s monologue Murphy got to express his thoughts on Cosby directly in his own words.
what sordid past does eddie have? i mean he told dirty jokes in an era when everyone did and probably did that dirty era’s dirty drugs. is there something else i’m missing?
I seem to recall him being seen with transgender prostitutes a few times. Unless they were underage or he was abusing them in some way I don’t think people would care as much now as they did then.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/eddie-murphy-stopped-police-transsexual-prostitute-car-040035645.htmlHis response was the biggest problem. It was so obviously a lie that people couldn’t even pretend to believe him. Nowadays the trans part of it would matter much less but the prostitute part would be a bigger deal. Of course nowadays you wouldn’t go looking for a prostitute on the street, you would go online so its unlikely we will see too many cases like this again.
Oh, just the usual child denial and hooker issues of any celebrity, I suppose. I love me some Eddie Murphy. Delirious is one of the greatest hours of standup there is, if not the best. I dare say it helped gay acceptance in 1983. which he probably undid with Raw in 1987, but oh well. The SNL return was good. I was a little worried it would suck.
“ is there something else i’m missing?”Once he transferred copyrighted material from one medium to another without the express written consent of the copyright holder.
Psst: people still tell dirty jokes. Don’t pussyfoot around: he told offensive jokes in an era where they weren’t as frowned upon as today.
Bill Cosby has always hated Eddie Murphy, and Eddie Murphy has always been funnier. That’d be all there was to say on the matter even if Cosby wasn’t a serial rapist.Also, this is petty spaghetti, but Cosby wishes he looked as good at 58 as Eddie Murphy does. Guess when your soul is that rotten it leaks right out.
Yeah, a general rule of “Side with the guy who’s not in jail for a bunch of sexual assaults” will get you far in this sort of situation, I guess. /shrug
I never found Cosby funny.
Riiight!
I legit hated Cosby, but because I was a latchkey teen in the 80’s from a shitty suburban home that was more Bundy than Cosby. Also my Dad was kinda racist and hated Cosby so he’d put on stuff like George Carlin and Lenny Bruce.
Have you seen his sex tape?
Some of his bits were good. They weren’t “I’m going to let you skate on raping women for four or five decades” good, but still, he had his moments.
Never as good as Carlins worst observations.
Carlin has had entire bad specials. I’m pretty sure he forgot to tell jokes in his final few shows.
Carlin was in his 70s in his last special, and while he had slowed down, as expected, he still killed it, as expected. Carlin was consistent and wrote constantly, he had no equal in this department (although Joan Rivers was close in the writing dept). Even Pryor, who I find slightly funnier than George, did not have the ability that George did. Carlin had discipline in a way Richard lacked. Cosby may have been witty, but I didnt find him funny. Comedy, we all know is subjective. But most people I know do not find Bill funny.
I enjoyed the tv show but his stand up stuff never tickled me. even the wit of the show was dampened for me by finding out what a prick he could be to people around him and his humorless self-inauguration as the arbiter of what was right and good.
Bet you never watched him on that television you don’t even own.
Eh?
Bill Cosby: Himself was actually really, really good (gotta give credit where credit is due), but when weighed against everything we know about him now, it doesn’t seem quite as funny as it did then. Are we still allowed to laugh?If so, it’s still uncomfortable laughter at best.
That Cosby is one funny Ssigned, everyone’s Great Uncle Jack who thinks hes being complimentary.And Pill is not funny. Eddie is.
I can understand that if all you saw of him was The Cosby Show and after. My dad had one of his comedy albums. The one with the Noah bit and Custer among other things and I used to listen to that all the time. It was hilarious. I did think some of his standup in the 80s was funny, too, but he was funnier earlier.
I’ve always been the same. I remember people laughing at his material, lots of people, and I remember thinking ‘I see why people think this is funny, I just don’t’.
Souls don’t exist.
Later that night, the spokesman was raped by Bill Cosby.
Why am I laughing at this?
Ron Howard’s voice is what made it comedy gold.
And I’m just like, Bill Cosby still has spokespeople? I guess I just assumed that, once you’re a convicted rapist, you pretty much speak for yourself.
Bill still thinks we should care about his opinion.
It’s so insane. Still firing off patronizing, moralizing rants from prison. Just utterly detached. Kevin Spacey can’t stop releasing lunatic House of Cards video criticisms of the real life crimes he’s been charged with. It’s crazy to think that they really do seem to believe that they can get it all back if they just play it right. I guess that used to be how it worked. Gross.
I think it’s just easier to get our voices out there these days. Back in the day people got locked up in prison and weren’t heard from until they’re sentences were done, or a parole board decided they were rehabilitated.YIKES! I almost sound like a republican on this one! I need a drink.
You deserve TWO stars!!**
Funny that Cosby wants to have credit for breaking barriers for Murphy’s success considering how shitty he always was towards him.
He didn’t break barriers. He just slipped the barriers a benadryl to help them relax.
Being the spokesman for a guy in jail has to be a pretty low-stakes job.
It’s a problem in getting paid; not a lot of these gigs are available.
Bill Cosby is a fetid cunt. He can fuck off and burn in hell.His publicist talking about “Hollywood slavery” when he’s working for a convicted rapist who raped women by the dozen can fuck off too.By the way, I find Murphy’s class impressive. He literally has the last laugh over Cosby now, and yet he’s kept his input to the minimum. Dude has class. If I was in his place, I would make this entire monologue about shitting on Cosby, just because.
If you haven’t already, you should check out Norm Macdonald’s series of tweets on Eddie Murphy’s appearance on the SNL anniversary special. Norm seemed quite impressed with Eddie’s sense of tact.“Eddie decides the laughs are not worth it. He will not kick a man when he is down.”
Thanks! I’ve checked it out only to stay for Norm’s tweets about Better Call Saul. It’s weird to see him write this cerebral, heartfelt analysis of that show.“The scene most illustratative of this is not a scene but a montage with a perfect song playing neath (no spoilers). Kim, make-up free, unsmiling brushing her teeth beside an unkept Saul as they begin their day. It is the best scene I have seen in my life in conveying intimacy.” – dude could have a decent career as a reviewer.
“The next time motherfucker call, tell him I said, ‘Suck my dick.’ “I don’t give a fuck. “Whatever the fuck make the people laugh, say that shit.” He said, “Do people laugh when you say what you say?” I said, “Yes.” “Do you get paid?” I said, “Yes.” He said, “Well, tell Bill I said: ‘Have a Coke and a smile and shut the fuck up.’ “The Jell-O pudding-eating motherfucker.”
This is the only and appropriate response to ANYTHING from Pill Cosby.
Pill Cosby!Good one!I am MOST DEFINITELY stealing that joke.
I use “have a coke and a smile and shut the fuck up” a lot. Ah Richard Pryor.
I still say that a lot as well.
Man, I can hear that in character in my head and now I wish I had his CDs on my ipod. I’d love to listen to them again. It’s been ages.
Now I’m watching Delirious on YouTube. 🙂
Is that where the line from Martin Lawrence in Bad Boys came from? I knew Murphy said it way back, but for some reason I’m in tears every time I hear it in the film.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebKhQ-CMmpE
Ooh, I didn’t know it was an ad campaign. Thanks for the link!
Bill Cosby would still be a piece of shit even if he hadn’t raped anyone.
this has to be icing on the cake for eddie. whining from your prison cell about being slandered. that’s some good shit.
Deeply weird the way that statement refers to Cosby and Murphy and other black comedians. Like, saying “He was the first Black to win…” instead of “….first black man…” or “….first black comedian….” Also, fuck off Bill Cosby, you horrible rapist, this Black will wear his pants hanging off his Black ass all he wants! Eddie Murphy is funnier than you, had a better career than you, and deserved it.
I imagine spokespeople who are good with language are working for people who aren’t in jail.
Richard Pryor would be laughing his ass off at all this. You know who would give their right arm to be a ‘Hollywood slave’ now that he’s rotting in prison? You know who would step over a dying pregnant nun to be hosting SNL right about now? You know who would really love to be making well-received movies and projects right and left? Bill Cosby, that’s who. But he can’t. He’s too busy rotting in prison for raping people for the last 40 goddamn years. Karma’s a filth flarn flithy bitch, Bill.Destruction of black men in Hollywood? Yeah, tell that to the line-up of wildly successful black men who stood on that stage this past weekend and clowned your pathetic ass.
I just want to know how that nun got pregnant. Jesus pt. 2?
Well, when a nun and a locker room full of hockey players love each other very much…
That would be an ecumenical matter.
“You know who would give their right arm to be a ‘Hollywood slave’ now that he’s rotting in prison?”I bet you think the answer is Bill Cosby, but if so you must not be aware that he recently said he would rather serve out his sentence than show remorse for the countless drugging followed by rapes that he perpetrated.
Louis Armstrong altered how music is both played and sung in Western culture. I’m going to go ahead and say he was a more influential entertainer than both Eddie Murphy and Bill Cosby.
I have Miles Davis on line one for you. He concurs.
I read the Miles avis biography and he hung out with Cosby and also criticized Louie for being an Uncle Tom even though he admired him musically.
Yeah, that was a weird phrasing. Even if we’re just limiting it to the 80s and 90s, were Murphy and Cosby more influential performers than Tupac or Prince?
And even if we’re limiting it to comedians, Richard Pryor and Redd Foxx have something to say.
To an extent it depends on what you mean in terms of “influence”. Cosby was much more famous than Pryor and had a big cultural impact, which you could fairly characterize as influence, outside of the lens of seeing him as a comedian and actor. Like, Nichelle Nichols wasn’t influential on the way people act in television, but she was influential because of the position she had in appearing on a mainstream show with the respect and bearing she had. Cosby was like that except even more so, even years before he became Dr. Huxtable.On the other hand, as successful and funny as Cosby was, Pryor is the much more influential comedian, in the sense that any random successful comic today takes more from Pryor than from Cosby, and (even prior to these allegations rising to the top of mainstream awareness) you wouldn’t hear today’s top comedians citing him as one of the two or three greatest of all time.
Bill Cosby couldn’t hold Richard Pryor’s or Redd Foxx’s jock straps.BTW: Both of whom Eddie Murphy starred with in Harlem Nights!
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Maybe he meant comedians?
Or Jackson (to draw a cheap-shot parallel to Cosby.)
Jesus was a black guy, too, and he’s way out in front of them both. For, um, better or for worse.
why you adding make believe characters to this debate?
Jesus could totally beat up Miles Davis.
y’all need to know Miles self-confessed that he beat up on women
(https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1990/01/the-book-on-miles/475422/) so lets FUCK OFF on the hagiograph for Miles Davis now.
How about you FUCK OFF for taking jokes about dumb shit like Jesus beating up Miles Davis so seriously. You brought the shit about his history with women in here, not me.
No shit. That in no way changes his effect on music (just as Cosby’s monstrous behavior doesn’t change his effect on comedy). Of course we should mention it whenever we discuss these people, but just pretending their cultural contributions didn’t exist doesn’t serve anyone.
You dismissed my last comment for some reason, so I’ll follow with this. I don’t know why the fuck you directed that comment at me when all I was doing in here is making dumb jokes about Jesus being able to beat up Miles Davis. So hey, how about you cool your jets, pay attention to who you’re responding to and FUCK OFF with your misdirected FUCK OFF bullshit.
And the buddha, and i think Confucius, also both black guys.
If it was 1983, here’s where a really terrible off-color joke about what a black Confucius says would be.
if it ws 2003, you could just have Samuel Jackson say some “motherfucker, Confucius say a lot of shit” or some such
I dunno. How many Louis Armstrong songs would the average person recognize? By contrast, how many people are well acquainted with the Cosby Show, or Bill Cosby’s comedy routines, or Eddie Murphy’s comedy routines, or his time on SNL, or his many hit movies?
While granting that jazz might not be as popular as it once was, personally I’d be willing to bet actual money that almost every single adult in the western world would recognise “What a Wonderful World” and “Hello Dolly” which, all respect to Eddie Murphy, probably can’t be said about Raw. And while a lot of Armstrong’s recordings are jazz standards, he’s probably a big reason why a lot of jazz standards are actually known and played outside of the jazz community. As for broader cultural influence, Louis Armstrong is also a pretty big reason why modern African American entertainers don’t exist purely in their own niche to begin with. He was one of the first, if not the actual first, African American entertainers who was able to cross over and reach commercial success with white audiences as well, at a time where this was let’s say pretty difficult. A pretty compelling case can be made that pretty much every African American artist who crossed over since is to some degree at least riding a train that Louis Armstrong laid the tracks for.
Sure, because Raw is Eddie Murphy’s only output.
No need to get snotty. I didn’t say that. However, if you can instead suggest a work that Eddie Murphy has done which has achieved the near-universal cultural recognition and ubiquity that I’d personally argue “What a Wonderful World” has, or a way in which Eddie Murphy has created a cultural shift such as how Louis Armstrong’s success opened doors for other African American entertainers, I’m all ears. I have to say, though, the fact that you latched on to my use of Raw as an example to try and dismiss my entire post instead of doing so is kind of suggestive. Especially since I only brought it up because you stated that his comedy routines were one of the things that people were well-acquainted with, and Raw is probably his most well-known stand-up show. Maybe the Beverly Hills Cop movies, but I’m personally skeptical they’ve held up in the cultural imagination as well as some of Armstrong’s tunes have.To be clear, I’m not especially into Louis Armstrong’s music and love a lot of Eddie Murphy’s work (at least, pre-1993, say). But bluntly, I don’t think the claim that Eddie Murphy has had greater cultural influence than Louis Armstrong particularly holds water. I’m open to being convinced, though.
Sorry, I get snotty when confronted over disingenuous arguments. Having had a couple of pieces of your output universally recognized (and there are lots of musical artists with two well-known songs) and having had cross-racial success are not the only two dimensions along which one could consider the question. That’s the thing about this question. The criteria varies from person to person, and I’m not certainly not trying to convince you of one over the other. I am not scoffing at anyone’s choices. Louis Armstrong is a fine choice. Bill Cosby is a fine choice. Eddie Murphy is a fine choice. Louis Armstrong is a fine choice. I suspect the reason the author used the former two is because, well, this article is about them, and to demonstrate the cultural significance of the feud and Eddie’s joke, not to spark some controversy because he slighted Louis Armstrong. In any event, since we’re having the conversation, and according to the criteria you laid out: As you can see from Saturday’s SNL, many of Murphy’s characters from his SNL are still well known and loved (and this is despite his seasons of SNL having almost never been in reruns and not being available on streaming services). There’s Beverly Hills cop, yes, and also Coming to America, and Shrek, off the top of my head, and also Raw and Delirious. The Nutty Professor, maybe? I dunno. And SNL was a white cultural institution by 1980 when the original cast left. Garret Morris was on the show, but certainly wasn’t a standout star by any means. Eddie Murphy, a black guy, saved and carried the show for years. I would say that opened the door to the idea that a black guy could be more than a token on the show who played a necessary black character as a fill in, but instead drove and starred in the show, as well as the idea that racial comedy could work on a consistent basis on the show.
Look, it’s the holidays. I’ve been a bit blunt at times, I’ll grant you, but I’ve honestly meant no offence and will freely and with sincere apologies retract anything I’ve said that you’ve found objectionable. However, this goes both ways. I don’t appreciate being accused of disingenuousness, especially in such a glib and unsupported fashion. Disagree with me all you want, think I’m full of shit, fair enough. It’s the internet. But my positions if nothing else have been honestly my own and I’ve tried to be respectful and polite to you in making my case. Maybe I’ve fallen a bit short in that goal, for which I will freely apologise, but I have genuinely tried to be so.And frankly, it has to be said; while you make an entirely valid point that popular recognition and cross-audience appeal aren’t the only factors in determining influence, this point might carry a bit more weight if you hadn’t opened this thread with “How many Louis Armstrong songs would the average person recognize?” and tried to suggest that The Cosby Show and Eddie Murphy’s stand-up routines were more widely known than anything he may have recorded. Because to be honest, you making that point now smacks a little of trying to change the goalposts upon being being confronted with an inconvenient counter-example, which doesn’t exactly seem ingenuous itself. Maybe you don’t intend for it to come off this way, but it does a little bit, so I don’t think you should be throwing around accusations of disingenuousness in such a cavalier fashion, and certainly don’t get to do so unchallenged.As for the rest of your post, to clarify my position I’ve not intended to suggest that Eddie Murphy has had no cultural influence. You’ve raised some good examples — among them at least one of my all-time favourite movies (Coming to America, if you care) — but I’m still not convinced that they necessarily demonstrate that Murphy has had an equally or more significant influence on the broader culture than Armstrong, especially since some of them seem to be arguing more over his influence on Saturday Night Live which, while it’s a massively influential TV show, isn’t the be-all and end-all of culture itself. Especially since I’m not just arguing that Louis Armstrong had cross-cultural appeal — I’m arguing that he was arguably one of the first African American performing artists to have such appeal, which opened doors for African American performers regardless of who or what they did. I’ll freely concede that Eddie Murphy opened doors for other African American comedians to follow him, but a pretty (I think) compelling case can be made that Louis Armstrong opened the door for performers in general from his community to follow him.
In any case, I’ve said my piece. We may have to agree to disagree, but in the seasonal spirit of peace and goodwill, regardless of our disagreements I offer you sincere apologies for any and all wrongs I may have done to you, and my sincere best wishes to you and yours during this time.
First of all, chill. There’s some harmless shit talking, no need for essays or apologies about it.I didn’t open the thread. I responded to a post in the thread. In pointing out how many Louis Armstrong a typical person knows, I was only countering the OPs strong declaration that seemed to put the argument beyond question. I am not trying to convince you of anything. If you think Louis Armstrong is the answer, or more of the answer over Eddie Murphy, have at it. There are a hundred different right answers to the question.
psssst….you’re wrong
That’s not the point. Louis Armstrong created the concept of swing in music and was recorded doing it, that altered how people (by this point, almost naturally) play instruments, and he broke down phrasing in his vocals in ways that just about everybody following him would do. Again, it became the nature of many, many artists and everyday vocalists to do these things. That’s what I mean. I’m not saying he sold 30-million copies of “Heebie Jeebies.”
That’s only because this is TV, this is visual, and this is current (or at least, recent.)The fact that more or less any music these people “acquainted with” Cosby or Murphy could ever be listening to has to some extent a direct line to Armstrong/Davis et al. means that the OP’s mention stands up to scrutiny.Why, given rap music’s influence, I’d dare say many rappers have shaped current culture more than either Cosby or Murphy.
alright
I dunno either but everyone has heard a Louie Armstrong song and they still show up occasionally 50 years after his death. Will that be true for Cosby’s Noah talks to God bit?
Also, Miles Davis.And to other posters, it doesn’t really matter how many Louis Armstrong songs “people know” these days, he literally changed American music. A strong argument could be made that (along with a couple writers and filmmakers), he and Davis are the two most influential American entertainment artists bar none.
Don’t subtweet people on Kinja, it’s lame. In any event, think how many people could are familiar with a performer’s output is actually a pretty relevant metric in how “influential” they are. It’s not the end all be all, but it is certainly relevant. How did Louis Armstrong change American music? Did he change it in a way you would be able to see in today’s music? Because I could also say that Bill Cosby and Eddie Murphy changed American comedy.
(See my above comment.) I would contend that far more people perform music in Armstrong’s wake than say funny things like Bill Cosby. You know what I mean? People in their living rooms aren’t being funny in a manner resembling Bill Cosby’s because that’s almost become the naturally accepted way of being funny. Believe me- I know all these guys are significant cultural figures. I have enjoyed them all and understand their significance. But I’m sticking with Armstrong, by a considerable distance.
Maybe, maybe not. I’m not sure what you mean by “more people” performing “in Armstrong’s wake.” Personally, I wouldn’t even put Armstrong as the most influential musician (James Brown?), or even jazz musician (Miles Davis). What that Armstrong did can I see reflected in popular music today? Bill Cosby had one of the most popular television shows of the 80s, and of all time. And I would say the way he is funny became a naturally accepted way of being funny. His comedy career began in an era in which one liners and standalone bits prevailed, whereas now lengthy personal narratives, and an entire theme that ties together entire specials is the norm; Cosby was a big part of driving that transformation (compare Bill Cosby is a Very Funny Fellow to Himself just to see the transformation within his own stuff). Eddie Murphy was a massive TV star, was (and is) a massive movie star, and had some a couple of iconic comedy specials. It’s all subjective, and there isn’t even a way to measure it. There are a lot of people in the conversation, depending on what criteria you choose to emphasize, but I wouldn’t put Armstrong ahead of anyone “by a considerable distance.”
Miles on Louis Armstrong:“But Davis liked Armstrong’s playing. ‘You can’t play nothing on trumpet that doesn’t come from him, not even modern shit,’ Davis says in Miles: The Autobiography (1989). ‘I can’t even remember a time when he sounded bad playing the trumpet. Never.’”
(I stand by Armstrong, with little doubt in my mind. He provided the ingredients that baked tons of other cakes, to one degree or another. Just telling you where I stand on it, and that’s it for me. I’m fine if anybody disagrees. Merry Christmas everybody.)
ok
psssst….you’re right
Thats because you don’t understand how the music of the 20s, 30s, and 40s influenced all popular music since then.
Nah man, I listen to the Colgate Comedy Hour.
Strangely enough, however, other people may feel differently.
This lady invented rock & roll.
And the woman who played guitar for Lizzo on SNL used the same guitar and a guitar strap with the word “Sister” on it in tribute!
That’s precisely what I’m saying, yes. I didn’t immediately think of Miles, but he’s in the running.
Yeah, I meant to agree with you (sorry if that wasn’t clear), and only tacked on the ‘btw’ for other posters I’d seen below!
If you’re going down that road, then rock and roll was invented by Sister Rosetta Tharpe, so I would say she’s way more influential.
Are you guys young? Because Bill Cosby was absolutely huge for like 35 years. Arguably bigger than Eddie at his peak, though it’s probably too close to call. Pryor was nowhere near as widely popular at the time and Foxx even less so.
But Pryor and Lenny Bruce were much more influential.
This whole thread seems like a complete waste of time, consisting of comparing highly non-similar people in significantly different fields, resulting from jumping on some minor case of poorly-chosen wording in the article.Silly. Silly silly silly.In fact: silly pilly poo.
My kids have watched Daddy Day Care about 400 times each. Yes, Eddie Murphy is America’s Dad, at least in my household.
“the most influential Black performers of the 1980s and ’90s (and also, arguably, all time)“ – I think you omitted “comic” because otherwise that’s categorically wrong, as much as I like Murphy (and admit to Cosby’s relevance.)
There’s a crazy long list of musicians, writers, playwrights, and actors ahead of or near them otherwise.
If you don’t know the history between these 2 I’d imagine you were very confused by this line, but this was the hardest I laughed all episode.
Mr. Cosby if you don’t want people making mean-spirited jokes at your expense, then take Shaq’s advice: don’t be rapin’.
Ah, he and his flack can shut the fuck up.
I don’t think you need to have the “allegedly” parenthetical. The man was convicted in a court of law. He did it.
It’s not ‘sexual assault’, either. It’s rape.
Call it rape.
‘Rape’ isn’t the actual crime in most jurisdictions. I haven’t read the specific Cosby indictment but in most places rape called under sexual assault. So…you’re correcting nothing, unlike the usage of allegidly for someone already convicted.
It’s legally not rape, though. Pennsylvania’s laws are written such that rape and aggravated indecent assault are different offenses.
Both are really, really bad.
Agreed. But given a sofies choice type bargain, I’d elect for the sexual assault over the rape.At least, I think that’s correct.
It kind of like copping to a manslaughter charge to avoid a murder charge. Either way, he’s guilty as hell.
Agreed!
Came to say this, take your star.
I agree with you he is guilty. That being said I’m sure there are probably quite a few wrongly convicted people out there who would be happy to point out that just because you were convicted in a court law doesn’t me you have, in fact, commited the crime you were convicted of. It just means a jury believes it’s been prove beyond doubt and juries are NOT infallible.
And when you say “it”, he did it often.
Beat me to it.
Bill Cosby is a convicted rapist, why the fuck are we listening to anything he says?
Because this is the funniest shit he’s said in 40 years.
Representatives of convicted sex offenders say the darnedest things.
Hes a rapist. A CONVICTED rapist. he doesnt like jokes? Too fuckin bad, women dont like being raped, either. (Not that the two things are equivilent.)
Bill Cosby sounded like Uncle Ruckus when he talked about poor black people a few years ago ….now he thinks he’s some kind of role model? Creepy old pudding peddling convict.
There needs to be some new laws to prevent people from having a public platform while in prison. And how is he watching tv late at night while in prison? Does he have a tv in his cell? No time restrictions on what he can do?
Eh, let him have it. He’s rotting in jail at 82 and his legacy will forever be overshadowed by him being scum.Instead, take satisfaction in the fact that we’ve reduced his dignity to yelling from a prison cell by proxy. He didn’t wiggle himself out through death like Jimmy Saville.
Problem is, laws like that cut both ways, and then we no longer get Letters From Birmingham Jail.
The only one who has tarnished Cosby’s legacy is Cosby himself. He definitely achieved a lot, but he’s the one who undercut it by being a monster in his spare time.
Well, America isn’t a fan of Bill Cosby’s decades of drugging and raping women, so… call it even?
Is it at all within the job description of a spokesman to say “Mr Cosby, maybe we should just this one slide without comment. No thank you Mr. Cosby I’m not thirsty.”?
This is a truly Trump-level unhinged rant from Cosby. Jail must be getting to him.Good.
[Eddie]’s presumably busy spending the holidays with his family, which he can, because he’s not in jail for committing sexual assault.As funny as Eddie’s monologue was — and it was indeed funny — this is best punchline one can imagine. As the wise man said: living well is the best reward.
Yo damn that’s a spiff suit jacket Eddie’s sporting.Also, to hell with Cosby, and damnit I loved him when I was a kid, even went and saw Ghost Dad in theaters.
I’ve never personally read a note written by a serial killer, but I’m pretty sure whoever wrote this note is a serial killer.
Cosby is doing a lot of talking for a guy who should be hanging from his pants right about now.
Harvey Weinstein: “paved the way for women in film”.Bill Cosby: “paved the way for blacks in the entertainment industry”.These rapists really have a pattern to lie and lie. I’m not surprised that Weinstein doesn’t know who Irving G. Thalberg, Douglas Sirk or Sherry Lansing were.
But Cosby is insulting the memory of Sammy Davis Jr., Louis Armstrong, Sidney Poitier, Dorothy Dandridge, Harry Belafonte, Diahann Carroll and many others. What an egoistical pig. And Eddie Murphy’s joke was about the image of a father not about the convicted rapist. Cosby is just terrifyingly humorless.
And a minimum of 25 women are not fans of Bill Cosby. His disapproval is now a sign that you’re doing something right.
Yeah well. Eddie never raped anyone. *please don’t let him have raped anyone. *
Do you really have to say “allegedly” when he was convicted and is serving jail time for his actions?
“You’re going to embarrass your mother. You’re going to embarrass your family.”Bill Cosby, “Pound Cake” speechShut the fuck up, Cosby. You embarrassed your family. You have lost all credibility.