Dave Chappelle says he’s open to speaking with Netflix’s trans employees about The Closer
The comedian still doesn't get why his words were so harmful, though
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In a new standup video, Dave Chappelle says he’s open to speaking with Netflix’s trans employees about the transphobic comments he made in his Netflix comedy special, The Closer.
“It’s been said in the press that I was invited to speak to the transgender employees of Netflix and I refused. That is not true,” he says in the clip.
However, it seems he still doesn’t completely get why people were so alarmed and hurt by his words, saying, “If they had invited me I would have accepted it, although I am confused about what we would be speaking about. I said what I said, and boy, I heard what you said. My God, how could I not? You said you want a safe working environment at Netflix. It seems like I’m the only one who can’t go to the office.”
He adds, “I want everyone in this audience to know that even though the media frames it that it’s me versus that community, that’s not what it is. Do not blame the LGBTQ community for any of this. It’s about corporate interests, and what I can say, and what I cannot say.”
He also says, “To the transgender community, I am more than willing to give you an audience, but you will not summon me. I am not bending to anybody’s demands.”
He continues, “And if you want to meet with me, I am more than willing to, but I have some conditions: first of all, you cannot come if you have not watched my special from beginning to end. You must come to a place of my choosing and time of my choosing. And thirdly, you must admit that Hannah Gadsby is not funny.
He additionally claims that some of his own trans friends had no problem with his comments, saying, “For the record, and I need you to know this, everyone I know from that community has been loving and supportive, so I don’t know what this nonsense is about.”
This video comes a week after Netflix employees and stars like Jonathan Van Ness, Jameela Jamil, and Angelica Ross—participated in and supported a walkout, protesting Netflix’s mishandling of the situation, as well as the firing of employee B. Pagels-Minor. Pagels-Minor was accused of leaking confidential information about the comedy special and an internal memo from co-CEO Sarandos, in which he stood by Chappelle’s comments. (Sarandos later admitted he “screwed up.”) Pagels-Minor denies being responsible for the leak.
The backlash doesn’t seem to have harmed Chappelle’s career much. The comedian has a tour coming up in November.
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You know what I was thinking about this morning? He did this bit for months live, presumably, before putting it in his special. That means hundreds or thousands of people saw it and were cool with it. Woof.
That’s what has bothered me about this whole saga. Chappelle thinks and says whatever, and he’s the wrong person to be talking about queerness and trans topics. That’s one thing. What’s scary is that there is a not-insignificant audience who is totally like, “Dave Chappelle, speaking the truth. That’s my guy.” So many people are willing to buy into his charismatic obliviousness without a second thought.
After four years of Trump are you surprised people think this way?
r/conservative is full of new Chapelle fans. There’s a feather in Dave’s cap. 🙄
We should vote Dave for president
Courting a certain crowd (who are hard to define exactly but being vocally “anti-PC” and having a trollish bent is a big part of it) is probably really lucrative. I’ve heard Louis CK shows are always sold old now and he’s playing some big venues (for a comedian, at least) and this is who his audience is now. I don’t know if Chapelle is heading that way deliberately or he just enjoys the fight no matter where it takes him, but that’s probably who he’s going to be playing to from here as well.
Someone didn’t watch the special all the way through to the end
Never underestimate what low standards mainstream comedy fans have.
We can bash them all we want, but Jeff Dunham and Carlos Mencia gaining success didn’t just come out of nowhere.
A lot of “comedy” fans just want to see a famous person on stage. What they actually say is immaterial. “I saw Larry the Cable Guy LIVE last night! It was totally worth the $70 ticket to be close to Guy I Know From TV! His act? Oh, he just read from the phone book for two hours. Standing ovation at the end.”
Sopened has some hurt feelings. Probably didn’t even watch the whole special
Im going to watch it again just for you.
What “bit”? You obviously didn’t even watch the special.
That’s probably one of the biggest and most frustrating things about this whole controversy: It’s not just that his comedian friends are either staying silent so they don’t have to risk the professional benefits that come from their association with him, or are trying to make room for him and his non-apologies. And it’s not just the famous, rich, celebrity types that seem to be his primary sounding board giving him explicit and tacit approval to use Trans folks as his primary instrument for fighting this fucking insipid “cancel culture” boogeyman. It’s that he’s legitimately giving people permission to indulge their biases and ignorance regarding Trans folks. Chappelle is cool. Chappelle is respected. Chappelle is basically a living comedy legend, the anointed son of Pryor and Murphy and Mooney and Gregory, etc. So when he decides to let people know “hey, it’s 100% safe and okay and honestly RIGHT to push all in on denigrating and demeaning Trans folks” – that shit sticks.And the most painful bit is this: Remember that this dude once CANCELED HIMSELF (the only possible person who ever could cancel Chappelle is, and always was, Chappelle) to the tune of 50 mil from Comedy Central because he thought that exact same thing was accidentally happening to Black folks via shitty white people misinterpreting and misusing his comedy for hurtful purposes. He spent $50 mil on preserving his conscience over continuing down a path he didn’t believe in. More than half the reason he’s considered a legend is because he walked from that contract. And here he is, over 20 years later, not recognizing how far he’s fallen from that moment, doing the same thing he was afraid of TO trans folks, ON PURPOSE, while crying about not getting his fucking documentary booked as if that’s the real injustice here. To quote the Bunk: It makes me sick, motherfucker, to see how far we done fell.
I think the most telling of the whole special and of his audience (and perhaps the majority of our society) is when he spells out what being a feminist is, and that he didn’t realize he was one. If most people are learning this along with him, then they surely aren’t brushed up on the issues plaguing the LGBTQ+ community.
Right. And as the audiences in his taped specials show, his audience of fans is primed to laugh at anything he says. I barely thought his last special was comedy. It was confident. It was strongly-worded opinion. But I found myself wondering what the live audience was roaring with laughter about. Hell, even he has stated that he can’t trust “his audience” to give him honest feedback about whether he’s doing good work anymore.
Which is ironic, considered that one criticism of *Nanette* is that it wasn’t really a “comedy special,” but more like a “spoken word” or a TED Talk.I mean, I loved *Nanette*. But, sure. It wasn’t a typical comedy special/set. The way you describe Chappelle’s stuff… he’s trying to dunk on her (which is … something and him trying to set the terms of the “conversation” vis a vis he’s not operating in good faith) but he basically did the same kind of thing. Just got on stage and gave his opinions, rather than crafting a really good set of jokes.
I never saw Nanette, so I can’t speak to it. I’m merely judging Chappelle for his own work. But his audience was laughing reacting as though it were a typical comedy special. *shrug*
You must be one of the people that tucks it in the bathroom
Wah wah wah
It’s worth noting that the past, oh, 18 months or so haven’t exactly been “business as usual” for live standup comedy, so I wouldn’t be as certain about that as under any circumstances. He undoubtedly wasn’t doing the material for the first time for the special, but I also doubt that all that many people saw it beforehand (at least compared to the number that would in non-pandemic times). Even with his ill-conceived outdoor shows that ended up being spreader events in several cases.
And…I would be very surprised if you don’t meet more of them right now….
Seems to be the case with anyone who actually watches it. It’s the ones just hearing about it that have the problem.
“Do not blame the LGBTQ community for any of this.”We weren’t, but thanks for the heads up.
same vibes
Fuck. Late period Dave was often toothless, but every now and then he would bust something so savage like this out.
The low key diss on Jimmy Fallon was fucking prescient, too.
“Low key” and “Jimmy Fallon” don’t usually pop up in the same sentence zip code.
*slaps knee and fake laughs for 5 minutes*
*stares at camera, breaks forth wall*
*laughs insincerily before motion towards camera is even halfway done*
…“Lonnie Donegan?”
Ha! That was my immediate thought!
Admittedly, his fans probably need to hear this.
So.. you didn’t understand who he was talking to or are you just intentionally obtuse?
Yes, because this is the audience that this comment was intended for. You seem sharp.
He also claims that some of his own trans friends had no problem with his comments, saying, “For the record, and I need you to know this, everyone I know from that community has been loving and supportive, so I don’t know what this nonsense is about.”Now imagine if a white comedian said “I have a black friend and they had no problem with what I said!”in defense of a special where they used racial slurs for black people…Also considering he didn’t even bother to show up to his trans “friend’s” funeral you can tell how close they actually were.As a reminder, please do not reply to transphobes in the comments, especially if they’re in the greys. It’s a waste of everyone’s time that’s just gonna bump their thread to the top of the comment section. If you wanna reply to them create your own thread and post a screenshot of their comments.
This is the exact argument I’ve been making since the special dropped. It’s one thing that Chappelle tells a story about a trans friend of his. It’s another that they can’t defend their story and that Chappelle is using it to justify his own ignorance.
I don’t think it’s so bad that he didn’t go to her funeral – as a famous man who has public problems with the transgender community it would have been a distraction at best.This is not defending anything else, especially not the godawful special he did and how he exploited her memory for an extended “my best friend is in a minority!” justification.
It sure seems that everyone is a transphobe for no other reason than disagreeing. I read some very mature well thought outcomments on here but never see an equal response or discussion. Maybe my definition of hating someone is different.
We can reply to the greys again?! They fixed something with Kinja?!
We can? We’ll see if/when I get a bigot responding to my comments. =D
Yep you can go to the URL’s of your comments at least at AVClub and Kotaku.
They did.
Him going to that funeral would have been a side show and a distraction so probably a good thing he didn’t
Glad to see you’re playing the hits. Now do the one about south park hating gays or some other willfully misunderstanding of reality.
Just so we are all clear, this is the person who called for the walkout from Netflix. I guess her racism and homophobia are okay though? This was never a real controversy. Everyone but the most ardent Twitter warriors have since moved on. Give it up already.
kill yourself
Her repeated jokes at the expense of my community are repulsive. But the majority of these tweets are from ten years ago, and I’m not so cynical that I believe a person is incapable of evolving. And even if those awful beliefs do still live in her heart after all this time, I don’t think they invalidate the work she’s doing now. Broken clocks and all that.
Oh, please. If this was from someone you didn’t already have a bias to think of positively, I seriously doubt you’d be saying that. This is horrendous behavior. You condoning it only makes you look bad as well.
She has since apologized for posting that hateful garbage. That’s not an excuse, but apologizing is more than Chapelle’s done.
kill yourself
The hypocrisy is noteworthy, but the reason this was never a controversy is because these are tweets made by a relative nobody, not the world’s most famous comedian on the world’s biggest streaming service.
But it does make laugh. I dont care what she says either way.
There are 2 dizen people who literally cant and theve decided they speak for an entire group. They themselves. Its like believing Al Sharpton speaks for all or even a majority of black people. Well my 2 boys are considered black, although theyre probably around 35% and i can assure you Al nor no one else speaks for them. Just like there is no white/native american person who speaks for me or my group.
Racism and homophobia are completely unacceptable. Her prejudices do not make Chappelle’s bigotry OK.
Thank you. Was just about to post: Two wrongs don’t make a right. We learned that in, what, Kindergarten?
I can think of one person who has decidedly not moved on
This is all a media-supported clickbait play. Nobody gives a shit for real.
It’s about corporate interests, and what I can say, and what I cannot say.
Fuck off. Don’t try to deflect the trans community’s criticism as being “corporate interests.” Also, the only corporation involved here is Netflix and they’re on your side. You are the corporate interest in this story.
“For the record, and I need you to know this, everyone I know from that
community has been loving and supportive, so I don’t know what this
nonsense is about.”
Yeah and everyone around Kanye has been telling him his ideas are great. You live in a bubble and you’re worth millions, nobody cares that your inner circle thinks your shit doesn’t stink. That’s not a sign that the rest of the world is wrong, it’s a sign that you don’t just depend on your friends to judge your material, which is something most professional comedians know really goddamn well so what even is this excuse.
Upon further reflection, this actually makes we want to cut Chappelle some slack.Because what I just read is textbook “Old man doesn’t get what the fuss is being made over his behaviour about something he’s never bothered to properly understand in the first place because he never really had the need to.”And that shit’s pretty much terminal. He’s not gonna learn. Best we can do now is ignore him until he fades away.
If I have to choose, I vastly prefer that attitude to trying to get his work taken away from people who want to consume it.
Fades away as in wins his new oscar for this hilarious special right
kill yourself
Hey, robot, scrape the Academy’s site and you’ll “see” there’s no Oscar for “comedy special” because they’re movie prizes.
This post made me think about how “cut him some slack” is kind of an underhand burn.
“I want everyone in this audience to know that even though the media frames it that it’s me versus that community, that’s not what it is. Do not blame the LGBTQ community for any of this. It’s about corporate interests, and what I can say, and what I cannot say.”
I hate to break it to Dave, but the corporate interests are on his side. The white establishment is on his side. Joe Rogan, who has the flagship program on Spotify and more than 30 million viewers, is supporting him. Jon Stewart, a media icon who has the flagship program on Apple+, is supporting him. Ted Sarandos, the friggin’ co-CEO of Netflix, is supporting him. The power imbalance is entirely in Chappelle’s and its pathetic of him to whine otherwise.
Chapelle previously compared himself to a slave to gain leverage in a routine contract dispute and it worked! Legally he had no leg to stand on but the bad press was enough to get him the contract he wanted. Dude has no shame about manipulating the media and I’m not surprised that’s his go-to move here.
I don’t have a problem with Chappelle leveraging his influence in a contract dispute. Corporations leverage the economic advantages they have all the time. People tend to treat contracts like holy writ, but they can be the basis of a negotiation. I think it is completely fair to find his use of the “Slave” metaphor crass, but creators of IP, such as Prince, have often felt exploited in that way by the owners of their work. I also think it was economics — Chappelle’s ability to tank the value of his old series with this campaign, as well as losing out on any potential of doing business with one of America’s most successful comics — that propelled the decision to give him back the rights to his eponymous show.It is accurate to say that Chappelle was playing dirty, but I don’t put it on the same level as punching down and misrepresenting a disagreement with an entire marginalized class.
Wait John Stewart is supporting him???
I didn’t think any of the Green Lanterns were, but I can’t be sure.
Haven’t heard anything concrete, but I’ll just go ahead and say Guy Gardner is firmly on Chappelle’s side.
Man, I could see Guy, in all his assholeness, being pro-trans and telling Dave to shove.Hal, on the other hand, is classically a milquetoast white conservative. He would totally stan for chappelle
My favorite Green Lantern hasn’t weighed in the topic, but the former host of the Daily Show:https://news.yahoo.com/jon-stewart-says-dave-chappelle-031155440.html
I respect your taste in comedy. Also thank you.
Holy shit. He straight up went “but he’s a really good guy” on him.““And if it is [hurtful], it’s certainly unintentional,” Stewart pressed. “He’s really – he’s a good man.”” JFC.
Yeah that hurt reading. His covid take a little while back was concerning but this? For godsake you really truly never know someone as well as you think. Fuck I didn’t even know myself as well as I thought. If your excuse can sound like something a friend of Ted Bundy would say, maybe just don’t say it?
I’m so sorry, man. I read downthread that are trans. It’s fucking bullshit you need to go through this because a rich motherfucker wants to deny you your humanity and dignity for the sake of ‘jokez.’
How is it inconsistent with something he would’ve said on The Daily Show? I remember a lot of people accusing him of being too kind to conservatives.
You’re JAQing off again.
Don’t engage with Dino. Just hit the dismiss button and move on.
Laserface would probably consider it JAQing off if I said “How about this weather?”Also, even though he seems to think it’s normal for people to routinely dismiss people they disagree with, I’ve never once dismissed a post in the over four years since the Kinjapocalypse.
It’s the exact reverse of the sentiment Stewart voiced about cancel culture just last week. It’s the kind of reversal — seemingly hypocritical about the subject now it involves a friend — he would have mocked on the Daily Show.
…on WEEEEEED?!
Yes, Chappelle is backed by corporate interests. But so is your outrage, which generates millions itself.
You’re right, but corporate interest change, and have changed, based on public “outrage” and opinion real quick too.
OK. Are we doing future crime now?
I have no idea what that means. There’s historic precedents so no probably.
Chappelle special should be judged on its content. Whether or not people liked it, they are entitled to their own subjective opinion. But the fact that some corporate interest MIGHT pay attention and react to negative opinions is imo not a good rationale for critiquing those opinions.
Billionaire investors are on the other side. So is the Democratic Party, the ACLU, Planned Parenthood, Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Intel, Dell, , Yelp, PayPal, and 53 other mostly tech corporations…
“And thirdly, you must admit that Hannah Gadsby is not funny.” lol… so true.
From Variety:Chappelle also spoke about his upcoming documentary about his summer 2020 comedy tour, claiming that it has now been excluded from film festivals.“This film that I made was invited to every film festival in the United States and some of those invitations I accepted. When this controversy came out about ‘The Closer,’ they began disinviting me from these film festivals,” Chappelle claimed. “And now, today, not a film company, not a movie studio, not a film festival, nobody will touch this film. Thank God for Ted Sarandos and Netflix, he’s the only one that didn’t cancel me yet.”Sort of throws a wrench into the whole “he’s not facing any consequences. Why is he whining?” narrative. Also…of course there were plenty of trans people who had no problem with it. Because most of the country, and world, doesn’t play identity politics every waking minute.
I don’t know what it is, I’m really not someone who’s passionate about social issues, but reading what people like Rowling and Chappelle say about Trans people makes me sick to my stomach.I just picture some kid out there going through all the hard times associated with realizing their body doesn’t match their mind, and hearing these rich, powerful celebrities mouthing off about how trans people are wrong and the celeb is the real victim here. It’s fucking horrifying. Like watching unbridled narcissism finally come out into the open.
I can vouch for myself that no its not fun seeing successful entertainers punch down on people like me for no reason. But hey at least these people give away how awful they are without much effort.
Which comments they have said make you the sickest? Which specfic ones are the most hateful and egregious?
I’d be interested in what you read of Rowling’s that made you sick to your stomach? I keep looking for it in her words and haven’t found it, and no one’s ever actually quoted the problematic words to me.
“He says things I don’t like” isn’t the same thing as “harmful”. One is opinion, the other needs receipts, and all anyone ever brings to the table is the former.
kill yourself
Or there are ‘receipts’ on offer, but skill in a certain kind of connect-the-dots game is required in order to relate them to Chappelle. “XYZ bad things happened to trans people, Dave Chappelle was talking about trans people, yada yada yada, those bad things were Dave Chappelle’s fault.”
He doesn’t deserve another chance. This is an intelligent human being who has chosen to pander to the laziest bullshit to generate buzz. Call me crazy but I’d bet that there are tens, perhaps even hundreds of black comedians who aren’t cynically-shitty people.
Not as funny though
Call me crazy but I’d bet that there are tens, perhaps even hundreds of black comedians who aren’t cynically-shitty people….and so? All black comedians are interchangeable? Not individuals? Not complete humans? Warrior mask slips.
Oh honey, no.
The way a normal person would read what I said is “Black comedians don’t get nearly the opportunities they should. Maybe we could give his airtime to one of them instead.”I didn’t realize that I needed to spell that out for you. There you are, feel better now?
I dont think Dave is the one here seeking out “buzz”> He sells out everywhere he goes, with zero advertising.
This seems as good a place as any to point out that stand-up comedy is a rudimentary form of live theater that gives comedy writers a chance to test their material and club owners a cheaper alternative to booking a band. As an artistic form it’s been, to put it mildly, overvalued. This guy got paid $20M to ramble his views on culture for an hour on an unadorned stage. University professors are lucky to get 90 grand for that job, and the audience isn’t usually as friendly.
“stars like Jonathan Van Ness, Jameela Jamil, and Angelica Ross”I have never heard of any of those people.
this dude sucks!
I don’t think he should meet with anyone. Why?
He said what he said and that’s that. I firmly believe that you are not lock step with everything the trans community believes as a hive, they will deem you an enemy. I believe Daphne Dormer was a casualty of the trans community and not Dave Chappelle.
There are some folks out here that are unhinged.
Yeah, he can go fuck himself some more
And thirdly, you must admit that Hannah Gadsby is not funny. I was gonna go through his comments piece by piece, but this one line is all you need to understand what an out-of-touch, entitled, hypocritical piece of shit Dave Chappelle is. This is some Trump-level petty bullshit, on multiple levels.
Yeah that’s very much a she wasn’t pretty anyway comment and supremely juvenile. How is that relevant?
He thinks nothing is off limits for his “jokes” and any criticism is unfair cancel culture, but wants everyone to essentially cancel Hannah in his presence. That’s some “cover up all references to the USS John S. McCain”-type energy.
Feel free to explain how making an offhand joke about a comedian who loudly criticized him equates to trying to “cancel” them. In no way, shape, or form did he say anything remotely similar to trying to cancel them. Some of you have taken the offense and self-righteousness to an absurdlt stupid level that is embarrassing to even read.
Yeah, I thought Daphne was part of “his tribe” because she was a comedian. Same can’t be said for Hannah, I guess?
Ir’s called a “joke.” Let’s not stupidly take offense to literally every offhand comment that he makes, and focus on the important things. Reading some of these comments is embarrassing.
She isnt funny. I mean ive never actually watched or listen to her before, but she isnt.
Its actually pretty funny that he said that though. Its a pretty mild joke, and true to boot.
So is she funny or something?
Yep!
She tweeted out this great line the other day about how pieces of her feces come out with intact spinal columns!
It was a joke. Holy fuck. I understand taking issue with the trans jokes, but some of you take the self-righteousness, sensitivity, and censorship to a very fucking stupid level. So he somehow shouldnt be allowed to joke about another comedian? Dont you think that maybe youre going a bit overboard at this point?
He is already complaining about losing sponsors and people not wanting to hear his pitches. Oh boo hoo look at your big ass mansion and think for more then a minute. The amount of self pity is already intolerable and he will no doubt bring it up every chance he gets when that tour starts.
“I want to say what I want!! YOU CAN’T TELL ME NOT TO!”
Some sponsors: “eh, sure, but we don’t want to give you money anymore.”“HOW DARE YOU”Freedom my ass. Selfishness.
Dave Chapelle and Ariel Pink are gonna go on a 75 city “I Been A Bad Boyyy!” tour, maybe get Trump to headline some dates.
I’m going to treat it as given that this person is acting in good faith, and will respond to their argument accoridngly. 1. Yes, those Tweets are bad. They’re also from several years ago. There is a huge difference between “cancelling” people for saying bigoted things NOW and saying bigoted things IN THE PAST. It’s entirely possible that Preston has grown as a person since then. 1.5. Also, IT WAS CLEARLY JUST A JOKE, SO YOU’RE NOT ALLOWED TO BE OFFENDED!!! (This is sarcasm, for the record, because I am goddamn sick and tired of the “humor” argument). 2. Even IF she’s still a bigot currently, that doesn’t actually devalue any criticism of Chappelle? (For example: If I have a bad opinion regarding book-burning and censorship, that doesn’t necessarily mean I’m going to have a bad opinion about literally everything else). This is just ad hominem, and it’s not a good argument. 3. Preston is a nobody. I literally didn’t even know her name until the screenshots. Chappelle is a famous multimillionaire with tons of famous friends. Preston’s speech doesn’t have the same amount of impact as Chappelle’s, so it can’t be judged the same way. (If that seems unfair, it is! However, keep in mind that in exchange for that smaller amount of public-impunity, Chappelle has millions of dollars).
“It seems like I’m the only one who can’t go to the office.”I have nothing to say about trans folks, but that is the most tone deaf thing I’ve heard a motherfucker say this side of 1/1/2020.I miss my office…
Yeah, if this guy even has an “office,” its probably just one of the rooms in his mansion.
Man that little Hannah Gadsby dig is the biggest tell here, considering her second special is just legit a solid comedy routine, and her first special hinges in having a very funny half hour of a comedy routine. Talk about throwing stones without watching it! What a sensitive little prick Dave is. I think the best course of action is just to let him have his little specials, make his millions, and let it flame out after a couple days – as those internal metrics noted, apparently they’re not even that highly-rated. Dave’s become a troll and like all trolls, best not to feed him.
I’ll feed whomever I want, fuck you very much.God, he can’t even crack a joke about Hannah now? Some of you are simply too delicate for this world.
It really was telling, wasn’t it? So fucking petty.But, can you do me a solid and explain the Hannah “feud” to me? I saw that she responded to Sarandos’s memo and made mention of Chappelle’s fans bombarding her with hate in the past, but I don’t really know how far back it goes.
I don’t know the ins and outs, but we can pretty justifiably presume that Chappelle’s fans who love his “hey I’m just telling it like it is but also joking” thing about trans people do not like an unapologetic lesbian who dares disagree.
Heh. Fair enough. I figured that was the TL;DR version.
She posted this after Sarandos held her up as an example of the diversity of viewpoints on Netflix:
She criticised Chappelle indirectly while addressing someone else, but apparently that’s enough to pierce his thin skin.
Ah, okay, I saw that when she posted it—and thought it was great. The fact that he’s now shitting on her while performing live made me think that there was more to the story. Nope, just a thin-skinned old man yelling at clouds, per the (recent) usual.
Chappelle has a thin skin??? Is this a joke???
No clue, I know she responded about his special to Netflix after Sarandos name-dropped her. But no idea if/why there’s a personal feud there.
Okay, that’s all I thought this “feud” consisted of, as well, and apparently, we’re correct.Yikes, Chappelle. Grow up.
He didn’t say that. He said this: He continues, “And if you want to meet with me, I am more than willing to, but I have some conditions: first of all, you cannot come if you have not watched my special from beginning to end. You must come to a place of my choosing and time of my choosing. And thirdly, you must admit that Hannah Gadsby is not funny.”Fuck off, Dave Chappelle.
“I will only listen to you on my terms, at my place, at my convenience” really says everything that needs to be said about how much he actually gives a shit.
Better than bullying your way in to an executive meeting where you werent invited and causing problems at literally one of the most progressive and trans friendly companies ive ever heard of.
Yet another one of the people I held to a high standard turns out to be a hypocritical d-bag.I better start working on my people-reading skills.I understand Dave is probably under siege from all angles right now with this controversy, but he could at least have made an effort to not come off as a belligerent clown in this statement.
Well in case ya missed it, being a clown is literally his job and sole source of income.
Surely, whatever our differences, we can all agree one of those demands is the definition of truth. Right?
No. Dave = never funny; three specials; I didn’t even giggle. Hannah = I’ve never before in my life laughed till I cried. Thought people were making that shit up! Turns out stand up is just filled with unoriginal hacks except for her.
Sure, no problem with the first one.
My eyes rolled so hard at that part of his comment I think I sprained something.
Seems reasonable. But, no one will do it, because the people bitching are a very small few who arent open to actual dialogue and victimhood. Which is sad because a great deal of my trans brother and sister are actual victims of actual crimes or violance and hate and this kind of bullshit detracts from real victims.
The third part is fair though
But she isn’t. She makes interesting faces, while addressing her huge victimhood, being a popular lgbt comedian with two netflix specials. Funny? no
The last thing the employees of Netflix need is a lecture from Chappelle explaining why his offensive comments were fine.
Nice to see these sites toning down what was clearly heavily one-sided coverage of this continuing story. I mean collectively what was put out here on AV, over on Jezebel, and on Gizmodo went from proper reporting to essentially a character assassination of Dave Chappelle/Netflix without even waiting for responses or outright dismissing any statement/action by two said parties as out of touch.
Are you serious? We must be using different sites, they’re as hateful and intolerant as ever over unsettled science.
Lol
Much better to just print his words so he can commit character suicide.
“It seems like I’m the only one who can’t go to the office.”-Poor victim.“Do not blame the LGBTQ community for any of this.”-That’s mighty magnanimous of you, but I wasn’t, dipshit. “To the transgender community, I am more than willing to give you an audience, but you will not summon me. I am not bending to anybody’s demands.”-*fart*“For the record, and I need you to know this, everyone I know from that community has been loving and supportive, so I don’t know what this nonsense is about.”-Oh, he’s got trans friends? Well I stand corrected
Oh, I’m sure he has so many friends who are willing to call him out and tell him when he’s being an ass. Not just tell him what he wants to hear, kiss his ass, and reinforce his “genius.”
I have some conditions: first of all, you cannot come if you have not watched my special from beginning to end. You must come to a place of my choosing and time of my choosing. And thirdly, you must admit that Hannah Gadsby is not funny.
Is this another of his *checks notepad* “jokes”?
Now imagine a white person saying that to the black community over racial comments. The hypocrisy is astounding.
I thought it was interesting that Bill Maher said he sides with Chappelle, when he was infamously schooled about not just saying what he likes.
Well, if Bill Maher is on your side, you’re CLEARLY doing awesome!
He’s more talking points now than man. Twisted and preachy.
Why would that be a surprise, What happened to Maher would be a good reason for Maher to support Chapelle
I didn’t say it was a surprise, just interesting.
A lot of people have never really dealt with the fact the Dave Chappelle’s thing is being a black guy who is willing to make all the dumb racist jokes white guys make. Most people have too much dignity for something like that but not Dave.
“It’s about corporate interests, and what I can say, and what I cannot say.”The corporate interests that sent out a memo backing you and paid you $20million and fired someone for leaking that, which caused a walkout that you are mocking? Hilarious that he’s trying to frame this as a class issue.
I just had a vision of South Africa under apartheid rule referring to boycotts as “cancel culture”.
Boy, Mendela lucked out by way of social media not being a thing back then.
So did Mandela.
No no, it’s always been spelt Mendela, you must be mistaken….I may have confused two “alternate reality” theories right there.
Yo I mean this was legitimately a thing for Republicans and the right-wing back in the 80’s.
It’s okay, he’s been cancelled. His career is over. Right? That’s what cancel culture does, right?
See all those viewing dates and I’m like “Wow, for once great to be an Ohioan”
Isn’t that what white people like to say, though, to the black community? “We need to have a conversation. We are going to listen to you” about cops killing black folks, systemic racism, etc. And, rightfully, I read many articles on the Root and other black-centered outlets about how the “conversation” is just a way for white people to feel like they’re doing things without actually making any change. That its white folks still trying to set the terms of the “discussion” and trying to set the table rather than actually listening or being willing to interrogate their own white bias and/or racism; that the “conversation” is one black people have been trying to get white folks to listen to for years and decades. White people telling black people “we will listen, but you need to protest/communicate *this* way.”So… We have a rich (black) man telling a minority that he is open to a conversation but only on his terms.I…..
Regardless of what you feel about Dave, Hannah, or Netflix, the important thing to remember is that we can’t watch that one Community episode about Dungeons & Dragons.
I can. I used the internet to steal it.
I own it on DVD. Same diff.
Say, an idea like that could catch on!
But we can still watch the S4 one with double blackface handpuppets!
He’s literally gonna die on that hill.
What I don’t like is the hypocrisy. He used his leverage with his fans to get what he felt like was justice in a contract dispute, literally using the words “I know where my power lies” (referring to his audiences) in that one special where he asked them for help, and the moment any of his audiences come back and say “Hey, we don’t like this”, the MOMENT that happens, all of a sudden, the humility and respect evaporates, and even further, he deserves, nay, DICTATES the terms of an “invitation” he should receive to discuss things with, what, some vague Congress of Trans People that should be privileged to talk to him? Guess his power DOESN’T lie with the people he offended, because he certainly does not grant it to them.
He knows he has power, wishes to use it, and not lose it. Now, a cynic may note that that describes the majority of humanity in his situation. But that cannot be an excuse when he pretends humility and acts like he is above that shit. You can’t in one moment embrace your more ignorant impulses as long as it gets a fucking laugh and the next ask others to restrain their speech to the kind, time and place he prefers, ESPECIALLY when he has the privilege to talk to literally millions of homes at a time.
To be clear: the people that aren’t on his side on this one subject aren’t people that hated Dave Chappelle. They are people that thought he was better than this. That’s why they’re fucking hurt, Dave. The people ON his side, on the other hand, are the ones who made him run away from comedy in the first place. The yesmen only around for money, and the oppressors only there for support for their own beliefs.
Maybe he really does know where his power lies.
Maybe he really does know where his power lies.
When push comes to shove, this is it. “Give Trump a chance.”
I think you could persuasively argue he’s using his leverage with fans in this situation as well.
I have long maintained that even if you’re not a Fox News idiot, if you live in some rural town where everyone else is watching that trash, you hear the Fox talking points that way of thinking starts to creep into your brain. I feel like that’s what happened to Dave, because he’s sounding increasingly like a fussy old MAGA dude who insists everyone else is wrong to be offended. “The problem isn’t my transphobia, it’s that y’all are too sensitive, nyuck nyuck!”He think he has the rhetorical power and cool cache’ to talk his way out of this, but from my perspective he’s just digging himself deeper. Either way, it’s a bummer to watch one of your heroes morph into a MAGA dude.
I can safely say that every single Mongolian thinks I’m amazing. I only know one person from Mongolia, he loves me, but I digress. Mongolians love me.
Is he cool with you calling him a mongoloid?
please just get cancer and croak you bully coward scumbag!!!!!
This is the wrong move for Dave – best just to ignore the community in public and move on with his life and make good on his promise not to bring this up again.
Do not blame the LGBTQ community for any of this.
We don’t. We blame you, unequivocally.
“For the record, and I need you to know this, everyone I know from that
community has been loving and supportive, so I don’t know what this
nonsense is about.
I can’t be a racist, I have black friends.
So, Dave, is there anything else we can do for you?
Oh. Okay. Oughtta work out well.
I’m sure that’ll help.
Dude, can you just go away?
Ugh I can’t tell you how much I wish Chappelle would take his own advice and…
Meanwhile this is happening in England:Congrats Dave for contributing to a dangerous climate of fear-mongering
For the record, I didn’t enjoy “The Closer” or “Nanette.” But this is interesting nonetheless.
Not really. Audience scores are easily manipulated, especially if something is seen as politically charged.
The explanation is a two-parter: 4chan and 8kun
I propose that people start yelling “I’m Rick James Bitch!” at Chapelle in public again to remind him that the things he says can have real world consequences. Because he didn’t like when that was happening last time.
I think that Chappelle understands why so many people claim that his words were harmful. I think he disagrees.
“It seems like I’m the only one who can’t go to the office.”
What office?
“And thirdly, you must admit that Hannah Gadsby is not funny.”
Get fucked.
LMAO @ the Gadsby line
“I’m willing to speak with you as long as you agree to my conditions. One, you’re wrong and I’m right. Two, I don’t have to learn anything or change my mind. And three, I’m just going to keep doing what I’m doing.”Later …“I don’t understand why they are so angry with me.”
“Black people can’t be bigots” is an awful position that, thankfully, seems to be dying with GenX.
Good God, Dave has reached Dennis Miller levels of “Damn, I’m embarrassed that I once found you funny.”
I really hope we can decenter Chappelle soon and actually focus on the trans community and what sort of difficulties they face. He’s clearly trying to make this all about himself, but that doesn’t mean we should indulge him.
This is how you do comedy.https://www.theonion.com/how-to-find-a-masculine-halloween-costume-for-your-effe-1819594860
I know he’s not funny (puppet humor, let alone racist puppet humor is simply not funny) but I really do feel like all this attention on Dave Chapelle is really giving Jeff Dunham a pass.
Think about it. His thing is humor in making you uncomfortable. His ultimate uncomfortable joke would be to become the very thing he professes to hate. Dude is very committed to his craft. He also has almost kanye level abilities to “stay in the conversation” b/c here we are. Hats off to him. I guess.
Shouldn’t be too hard. Hannah Gadsby is not funny.