J.K. Rowling’s rampant transphobia makes Daniel Radcliffe “really sad”
Harry Potter star Daniel Radcliffe continues to distance himself from J.K. Rowling's anti-transgender views
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As we’ve witnessed, Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling’s anti-transgender agenda has gone beyond political belief into a full-blown obsession. She posts about gender ideology debates near-daily on Twitter/X, lending her considerable capital (both social and financial) to causes championed by trans-exclusionary radical feminists. This reflects not only on Rowling, but on the entire Wizarding World empire she’s built, including its original stars, like Daniel Radcliffe.
Recently nominated for a Tony Award for his performance in Merrily We Roll Along on Broadway, Radcliffe tells The Atlantic that he currently has no contact with Rowling. “It makes me really sad, ultimately,” he shares, “because I do look at the person that I met, the times that we met, and the books that she wrote, and the world that she created, and all of that is to me so deeply empathic.” In fact, during his time making the blockbusters and becoming an advocate for the LGBTQ+ organization The Trevor Project, “I did have a realization of a connection to Harry Potter and this stuff,” Radcliffe explains. “A lot of people found some solace in those books and films who were dealing with feeling closeted or rejected by their family or living with a secret.”
When Rowling initially began sharing her transgender skepticism publically in 2020, Radcliffe released his own statement through the Trevor Project distancing himself from her views. “I’d worked with the Trevor Project for 12 years and it would have seemed like, I don’t know, immense cowardice to me to not say something. I wanted to try and help people that had been negatively affected by the comments,” he says now. “And to say that if those are Jo’s views, then they are not the views of everybody associated with the Potter franchise.”
All three of the series’ main stars (Radcliffe, Emma Watson, and Rupert Grint) have voiced their support for the trans community. In response to a fan’s post last month, Rowling said (via People) that she wouldn’t accept an apology from or forgive Radcliffe and Watson for their remarks: “Celebs who cosied up to a movement intent on eroding women’s hard-won rights and who used their platforms to cheer on the transitioning of minors can save their apologies for traumatised detransitioners and vulnerable women reliant on single sex spaces.”
“I will continue to support the rights of all LGBTQ people, and have no further comment than that,” Radcliffe says on the subject. However, of the general phenomenon that pit the actors against the author, he observes, “There’s a version of ‘Are these three kids ungrateful brats?’ that people have always wanted to write, and they were finally able to. So, good for them, I guess.”
In his original Trevor Project statement, Radcliffe specifically noted that “certain press outlets will probably want to paint this as in-fighting between J. K. Rowling and myself, but that is really not what this is about, nor is it what’s important right now.” Unfortunately, Rowling’s extremely high profile warps a civil rights issue for trans people into a he-said she-said between two cisgender celebrities. To his credit, Radcliffe remains undaunted by this “feud,” such as it is. “Jo, obviously Harry Potter would not have happened without her, so nothing in my life would have probably happened the way it is without that person,” he says. “But that doesn’t mean that you owe the things you truly believe to someone else for your entire life.”
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I agree. It is really sad. It’s pretty incredible how far she’s descending in a relatively short amount of time. It makes me happy that he publicly and clearly condemns her for it.
“This reflects not only on Rowling, but on the entire Wizarding World empire she’s built, including its original stars, like Daniel Radcliffe.”No it doesn’t and nobody believes that it does. Why would JK Rowling’s contemporary rants on transgender people indicate literally anything about people who have been tangentially associated with her IP in the past?I ate an orange once. Does that mean I am MAGA?!?!
There’s literally decades worth of stories about actors getting yelled at by people upset about a character they played. Is it fair, or logical? No, but a frightening number of people have difficulty separating the artist from the art.
Perfect Blue, basically, yes. But those people are by and large mentally ill and shouldn’t be a barometer for unnecessary apologies either?
I dunno, I don’t think it’s ever totally unnecessary to be absolutely clear about where you stand with bigotry. Specifically with this example, Dan has been an advocate for the LGBTQ community for years, and he spoke up not because anybody was assuming he agreed with JKR, but because he felt obligated to say plainly “I don’t agree with her, and we don’t talk anymore because of it.” An important step to confronting bigotry is speaking up and saying “this is not OK.” This is particularly true for JKR, who has stated that she views the money she gets from the HP franchise as approval for her TERFiness, and a signal to keep espousing those views and supporting anti-trans causes. For better or worse, the stars of the movies are the next biggest faces of the franchise, and if they all oppose JKR, that has power. We can debate all day about how much power that actually is and how much it matters, but at the end of the day I don’t think what Dan did was in any way “unnecessary.” Silence in the face of injustice only benefits the injustice.
He is free to speak as he please. Of course he is. My point is that he is not obligated to and anyone who believes he is needs to take a step back and unplug.
I am not arguing he shouldn’t speak up. The article insinuates that JK Rowling’s beliefs reflect on him. Intelligent human beings understand that association does not equal collusion. You seem to be looking for a completely unnecessary fight here. Peace.
hilariously it actually seems like you’re looking for a fight…
“You seem to be looking for a completely unnecessary fight here.”I mean
Go suck a fart out of your own ass, nerd.
I LOVE YOU, POOKIE!
Thank you. Daniel Radcliffe no more has to apologize for Rowling than Daniel Craig does for Ian Fleming or Viggo Mortensen for Tolkien.[
It’s almost shocking how well-adjusted the adults the Harry Potter child stars grew up to be are, even beyond the “big 3″ of Daniel, Emma and Rupert.
Exactly. Not just normal kids, but decent actors, with actual careers.Not…
Hmm…I guess I’m old enough but I think this is a reference to Dana Plato, who had addiction issues and later died by suicide. Makes it less of joking matter for me.
And her son…. 🙁
First time I’ve seen someone get upset at The Simpsons for *not having predicted* something. (In this case, Plato’s tragic overdose 7 years after the episode aired.)
You know I’m reacting now about the use of the punchline now, because of the way time works? And personalized my comment—I don’t think Dana Plato or Todd Bridges or whoever else there might be to be common knowledge, though their stories and others are the context for making the joke now.
Not just actors, but well-rounded people. With their own friends and credit cards and keys.
Koenig has my absolute favourite line reading in Futurama where Bender asks if people who hate Star Trek can leave Melvar’s planet and Koenig immediately exclaims “GOOOOD question.”
I think this is further proof that Hogwarts is a truly excellent school.
Yeah, most years only one or two of their students are horribly killed.
You sure ‘bout that?
The fact that Radcliffe does weird, sometimes kind of fucked-up indie movies he finds interesting because he can afford to due to the financial safety cushion of his Potter money speaks nothing but well of him. Glad he’s doing something like the film the above image is from rather than “Christmas Prince” romcoms or some shit, I wish him the best with his support of quirky projects that need it.
I agree. Just thought it was a funny gif response…
Sure, his farting corpse movie was the Daniels’ first feature…and if you are going to be in a movie where you are wearing bear slippers and shooting people, Guns Akimbo was the bear-slippers one to do, far better than other bear-slippers knockoffs. That guy had a previous movie called “Deathgasm” that is apparently like a splatstick Peter Jackson thing…doesn’t look amazing but if it convinced D-Rad maybe worth checking out…and then he stole everybody’s hearts forever by doing the “Weird” Al movie, and now he’s made one of the great musical theater fiascoes into a not-so-secret success…all while just being married and raising a kid…I’d be jealous of him but there’s just no way one could even imagine the string of good luck and excellent choices happening to anyone else
Robert Pattinson and Elijah Wood have done the same thing. Hell, I even forget that R-Pattz was in Twilight sometimes because I associate him way more closely with weird indies now than a major franchise.
You can’t see the man hold his own against Willem Dafoe in The Lighthouse and not forgive Twilight in my opinion.
Seriously. I imagine a lot of people in his position would just chase the fame and try to stay in the public consciousness for as long as possible. Radcliffe does whatever speaks to him as an actor, and you can also see him continuing to grow and refine his craft. It’s awesome.
But to be clear. He has grown into being hot as hell and would be great in one of those terrible romcoms
I still haven’t watched that movie. Is it any good?
Eh, Tom Felton definitely caught the Child Actor Has Some Serious Trauma virus. His autobiography dealt with some heavy substance abuse issues that he was lucky to work through.And Robert Pattinson went through a pretty rough emo phase and wound up beating people up while dressed like a rodent.
On the same note, Radcliffe has been very open about substance abuse WHILE he was making the Potter movies. But, he’s absolutely well adjusted and sober now, of course.
Or maybe dressed like… a different animal?
Bats are more closely related to humans than mice.
They’re so “well adjusted” that they can’t even stick up for women’s rights, or even define what a woman IS. Such great cultists…
Didn’t one of the actors playing Malfoy’s toadies get into some kind of trouble with the law? He played either Crabbe or Goyle.
From IMDB:
“On the 20th of March in 2012, [Jamie Waylett, who played Crabbe] was jailed for 2 years for violent conduct and 1 year for handling stolen goods during the London riots of August 2011.”
True, every time I read Radcliffe’s statements here, or just in general as he has been in the news a lot because of Merrily, I just almost wish I sounded that sensible.
And let’s not forget, those movies led to Magnitude. Pop Pop!
I also like that Radcliffe seems to have a sense of humour about it all. I read a quote from him once where he said, “I used to be quite self-conscious about my height but then I thought, fuck that, I’m Harry Potter.”
“OK, it’s sad about JK Rowling. Now does anyone want to talk about any of the other films I’ve been in? There’s, like, 16 of them. Also, I act in plays and television.”
“Yeah, that’s great. So about Harry Potter…”
I listen to the “Merrily We Roll Along” cast recording all the time, and he’s pretty fantastic in it.
and he’s great in the Weird Al movie!
I rewatched it recently online somewhere and it was just as surprising and delightfully odd as the first time.
Dr Demento bathed in Arthur’s gold bathroom. ARTHUR’S GOLD BATHROOM!!!!!!
He was great. The movie, not so much
I really loved the first, more “realistic” half.
Personally I’d love to hear more about the Weird Al movie from Radcliffe.Weird Al > Harry Potter.
You’re not gonna believe it, but that Al guy is kind and normal person and a generous collaborator.
Weird Al > everything else in the world
He’s our preeminent farting corpse with hidden layers of depth!
those layers are just subcutaneous fat, exposed from the time he’s been out in the sun and fed on by wildlife
Farting Corpse is unironically a more well-written character than Harry Potter.
I’m a big fan of a series he was in called ‘A Young Doctor’s Notebook’, where he plays the younger version of a character played by Jon Hamm as an older man. The conceit is that the older man is looking back at his life, so the two often share scenes together, and the height difference alone is hilarious.
Beyond the hatefulness of her views, it makes her look really, really bad to be so petty and vicious toward these grown-up kid actors who are by all accounts and appearances, really great people, in spite of all the show business weirdness they must have encountered
Yeah. The irony here is that the Harry Potter kids are more famous, more influential, and more associated with the franchise in the popular imagination than she’ll ever be.
As is also shown by the careers these former child actors have had, especially Radcliffe and Watson, they have the option of showing how their talents can grow and be used well elsewhere. Rowling hasn’t done much outside of HP (and outside of the original core novels, I would argue that even the HP side stuff is not all that great). She will never want given how rich HP has made her, but I would also be very surprised to see her do anything of worthwhile note again. She’s going to have to beat this dead horse until the end.
Yeah, I suspect that her allegedly deep, hands-on involvement in the new Harry Potter series is in part to be like “See? It wasn’t the stars who made the franchise successful. It was me!”
I love how insistent she is that she won’t accept an apology that no one is offering. Has real, “That chick thinks she’s so hot, but I wouldn’t go out with her even if she asked me” energy.
I too found that to be the funniest part of this
I wonder if child stardom in the UK is… I dunno’, less stressful than child stardom in the States?
I have no skin in this game, in terms of her work. I watched the first movie in a theatre, at a company event, and thought it was fine for kids. (I was out of the target demo by that point.) I never read the books.I feel for Radcliffe, though. It sucks having someone you respect put so much energy into promulgating a political stance you find abhorrent. The older I get, the more often that happens.Ex: One of my best friends recently converted to Catholicism, and though I supported him, our views no longer align on many issues. I made it clear to him that being the least bit antagonistic toward our queer friends (and 2SLGBTQ+ people in general) was a red line for me, and he assured me it wouldn’t be a problem. That’s been working for us.On the other hand, my mom, who’s never voted for the Tories in her life, somehow got MAGAed by the YouTube suggestion algorithm, along with getting a heaping spoonful of islamophobia. She brings up those subjects, and I point out that she’s wrong, but she’s pretty much locked in at this point. I can’t cut her out of my life. She’s elderly, severely mentally ill, and lives alone (by choice), so I just try to minimise the damage.It fucking sucks.
Sorry to hear that. I have a few cousins who have gone the same way, and it’s never easy.
Thank you. I fortunately lucked out with most of my family. My mom had over 10 siblings (including one who was a Catholic priest), and almost everyone was very… uh… fruitful, so I literally have hundreds of cousins.Despite all being rural people — and I don’t mean that as a pejorative, just that it wouldn’t be surprising if they skewed toward the Right — the vast majority of my family, from elderly to very young, are incredibly open-minded and tolerant, and those who aren’t — including my mom — get shouted down.
“ I can’t cut her out of my life.”As much as I hate to disagree with someone called “Buttsoup Barnes,” yes, you certainly can. That’s not to say that you must, but if she’s refusing to take care of her mental health and insisting on living alone, it’s not your responsibility to ruin your life catering to her (or anyone’s) mental illness.
“ I can’t cut her out of my life.”Yes you can.
Maybe don’t act like you know better than a stranger does about what’s going on in their life?
You shouldn’t. We can’t shut out everyone in our lives we disagree with and live in a bubble. The older generation has always held less progressive views than the younger generation. They still deserve our love and respect even when they are a giant pain in the butt.
I am very much a supporter of human rights for everyone but can we stop adding letters and numbers to LGBTQ?
Fuck and no. You cannot call yourself an ally unless you are willing to use every button on your keyboard. I’m on the fence about special characters, though, so I obviously need to do more work.
As a programmer I know a lot of the upper ascii characters but that knowledge is mostly useless – Until now!
I support the semi-colons but even I have a line and those degenerate colons know that they did
I get what you’re saying. I’m just using the Canadian formulation, which is likely irrelevant to you, but of critical importance where I live.The 2S is there to include Indigenous people, and we are trying to move a process called Truth and Reconciliation forward.Some Indigenous people on a committee made the request, and we’re going with it to express our respect, and commitment to the process.
I get the intent, the result is the entire movement looking silly to a lot of people. And I say this because I really want everyone to be able to live as their true selves. Regular everyday people will see this as proof that they can’t ever keep up with it. That they will miss a new letter and be attacked for it.
My take on it is that the oppressed focus on vocabulary and nomenclature because it’s relatively easy to control, and they have very little control over much more critical aspects of what makes them oppressed.Appearing silly makes for bad press, but it also doesn’t really move the needle too much. No one who’s sitting on the fence changes their mind because an acronym got updated in Canada.I go along with it because it’s not very hard — and again, that particular variation is specific to Canada. I just use it in all communication to reinforce the habit.
Where do you stop? Who gets left out? My point is that you need a word that encompasses all people who may fall within by default. OR stop worrying so much about labels.
The word is “queer,” and some of us still use it. It’s not in fashion right now because a) it doesn’t differentiate enough for the current trend of radical self-identification, and b) for some reason young people are convinced it’s a slur again. What’s funny to me is that it’s right there in 2SLGBTQQIAA+, but it’s treated like a fully separate identity when it was meant to unite people with similar political circumstances. It’ll come around again when people realize they need to join forces to beat homo/transphobes.
You stop where the acronym gets so unwieldy that it falls out of usage. (I think the trailing ‘+’ is there to prevent that, and to include everyone not represented by a letter.)
It won’t ever stop changing though. It’s a peculiarity of language called the ‘euphemism treadmill.’ Usage disfavours certain terms when they’re deemed to be offensive, which then get replaced by euphemisms, which in turn become offensive. Rinse, repeat. Here’s a good Op-Ed about it by Steven Pinker:
https://stevenpinker.com/files/pinker/files/1994_04_03_newyorktimes.pdf
P.S. I don’t mind the euphemism treadmill, and try my hardest to refer to people as they’d prefer (while often erring). I also understand that it’s the sort of thing that changes multiple times over one’s lifetime.
Relax Bob
It might look silly to those lot of people no matter how few letters are included. Haters gotta hate, you know.
The point is that objectively it will become a parody of itself.
I was going to say, “2S” instantly clocked as Canadian to me. It’s pretty wild how culturally prominent indigenous / First Nations groups are in Canada and how mostly invisible they are outside very particular pockets of the US. There are 1.8M indigenous people in all of Canada, but between 4 and 7M in the US.
Most of Canadian land is still unceded, or under (mostly violated) treaties. That’s our original sin, and we’re working our way through it, as I’m sure you know (TRC, treaty-based lawsuits, etc…)I’m not surprised that the US has a different focus, given the nature of their most abhorrent original sin.
A claim followed by a “but” is a lie.
Which means you think there being an ally requires lying to people to make them feel better. Every character added to that makes things worse, not better.
every time you complain we will add another letter
Every character added to that makes things worse, not better.
well then you should stop complaining cus with with your comments here we added a 5 and a Z
☹︎☝︎❄︎👌︎✈︎🖃︎
No
How about they stopped adding characters when they got equal rights?
Pretty sure that’d be an acceptable compromise.
That sux. Mu 87 year old parents and 62 year old brother are all brainwashed by MAGA. I know they sit around when I’m not there talking how the USA is going down the shitter and it’s terrible and blah blah blah and Biden sux and Trump is a God. Somehow they know better when Mrs. F. and I are there. Nary a peep about their intolerance and racism.
My mom still brings it up among family and in polite company. (Even has beef with ‘woke’ now.) I try not to argue individual facts, tell her she’s wrong, and change the subject.It really does suck, but there’s not much that can be done. I flirted with the idea of installing parental controls on her computer, but I figured that would just piss her off and change nothing.
I can’t cut her out of my life. Coming from someone who was a step away from doing so to my mom and who was “cut off” by my dad, I need you to understand you absolutely can.I was about to write a letter to the authorities to narc on my mom for her DWI and how maybe it was a first legal offense, it damn well wasn’t the first time she’d done it before she died (of other, unrelated causes). And I was basically teetering on the edge of no longer speaking to her again. The last time she heard my voice before she died was me leaving an angry voicemail telling her she was trash for trying to argue she should get leniency for her DWI because all the meds she’d been on were legally prescribed and taken. I do not regret this. I have never cried for her death or mourned her. I only mourn the mother that I feel like I could have had. Honestly, her death has been a relief.While my relationship with my dad was more complicated, he had also gone increasingly MAGA in the last year or two of life. (It’s what ultimately killed him.) I did not opt to cut off ties with him, but I also refused to apologize for publicly calling out his bigoted statements. That was his choice. I wasn’t going to let him get away with looking like I condoned them to keep him in my life. (Irony is that he didn’t actually get around to cutting me off by his death a few months later. I was still the beneficiary of most of his assets, either by default as the only child or by him specifically designating me as such and never changing it.)It makes me sad that my mom became such a dysfunctional person and that my dad let himself fall prey to toxic right-wing misinformation and propaganda, but they made their choices. It was not my responsibility to keep that toxicity in my life, family or not. It’s not yours either.
Thank you for sharing that with me. That must have been difficult to deal with. I understand that you mean well, and appreciate your input. My situation is just significantly different from yours. (See my reply to myself further down-thread if you feel so inclined and want to be bummed out.)
I got a few comments about being able to cut my mom out of my life. I’m combining my replies in this post, since it all boils down to this:I was raised by a single, unmedicated (to this day) paranoid-schizophrenic mom on welfare. Had it not been for her siblings, I would have ended up in foster care.If I cut her out of my life, and she has another psychotic episode, my (now elderly) uncles and aunts will once again have to intervene. I’d rather not put them through that again. They’ve done more than enough.For those worried about the MAGA aspect specifically, she’s Canadian and can’t influence US elections. She just trusts Trump and believes everything he says and repeats it, to my great dismay.
Canadian MAGA? Does she also follow Romana Didulo, the “Queen” of Canada?As for your Catholic friend, Why did he convert? As a former Catholic it’s always weird for me to hear about people choosing to be Catholic instead of having it pushed on them as children and just sorta just staying with it forever
No. This is how mixed up she is. She doesn’t vote for the Tories, and though she agrees with them on some of their socially conservative policies, she fully understands that the Tory fringe is full of lunatics.(Though she was at least partly on board with some of the truckers, and is being stupid about her COVID boosters, even though she’s caught it twice — both severe cases.)What Trump says as part of MAGA just resonates with her because she’s been reading about him in the tabloids since the ‘70s, and believed every word. So to her, he’s just as smart, savvy, cunning and successful as he says he is.As for the Catholic thing, that’s not my story to tell, but broad strokes: Major tragedy leading to a search for spirituality, which led to Catholicism, because he’d always ‘prayed to someone’ and wanted to learn more about the entity to whom he was praying.
I’m sorry you’re going through that.
So, you’re against Catholicism because of both real and perceived LGTBQ+ bias in the religion, but frown on “Islamophobia,” a religion that pretty has some pretty strong feelings about LGTBQ+ themselves.
No I supported my friend converting to Catholicism, as clearly stated. I just don’t fuck with anyone who’s anti-queer (and a bunch of other stuff). That includes my Muslim friends (all cool).
You mean that they’re terribly oppressive, or that they’re all doing it, or both?
Oh yeah, didn’t you know? Any type of bigotry is totally fine to these people as long as the person being bigoted is not white.
It’s weird, I’ve lived to see many panics spring up around things that would supposedly influence people (usually “Our Youth”) into terrible behaviour: violent TV, rap music, video games, social media in general. Mostly there’s been little to no hard evidence of significant adverse effects. But YouTube as a radicalising force, and not just of young people but grown fucking adults, does seem to genuinely be something of concern. I didn’t see that coming.
Suggestion algorithms are insidious because they work very progressively. Contrived example: astrology -> crystals -> vitamins -> vax skepticism -> QAnon.
Suggestion algorithms are radicalisation engines. They maximise screen time by amplifying biases and ignorance.
People need to stop expecting others to be ideologically pure about every issue they find important.This whole tribal bs is a waste of time and energy.
JK Rowling isn’t behind on this issue, she’s ahead. The NHS has stated biological sex is real, experimental treatments being carried out on children are being rolled back throughout Europe due to the fact there’s no evidence supporting it, and sporting bodies continue to pull away from allowing males into female sports leagues.Catch up, AVClub.
I suspect your post will not age well. Just like comments made years ago why black people and white people should be separate. Why gay people should be condemned to less rights. Why women shouldn’t have credit cards absent a man’s approval….
…this issue, honestly, is quite stupid. It comes down to treating people how they want to be treated. What’s so hard about that? My kid’s friend wants to be called “they/them.” I do that. It costs me nothing, and makes the kid feel accepted. Their parents refuse to treat them anything other than a girl. Time will tell on that one; I also suspect that kid will cut their parents out when they can.
Also: just because NHS has a certain view, or sporting bodies have a certain view (the epitome of science; just ask all the football players suffering from CTE) is meaningless. The DSM classified homosexuality as a “sociopathic personality disturbance”. Again, time will tell.
This is more like a white person claiming to be black, redefining what it means to be black, and using their proclaimed identity to erase organizations, resources, protections and spaces set up for actual black people.Men aren’t women.
This is more like a white person claiming to be black, redefining what it means to be black, and using their proclaimed identity to erase organizations, resources, protections and spaces set up for actual black people. I’m quite worried to admit this even as I hide behind my Kinja burner account, but I do struggle with this angle. I’m very eager to be educated on this via a civil discussion, but I have trouble thinking simply that transgendered people born male are plainly female. I do think of someone like Rachel Dolezal who decided or maybe genuinely believes she’s Black even though for a good part of her life she didn’t have to face challenges faced by Black people. I sympathize with trans people but don’t sympathize with Dolezal. I support trans people and accept what gender they identify as, while at the same time being unable to consider a woman and a trans woman as identical.
Respectfully, what you’re experiencing is cognitive dissonance from trying to make sense of a nonsensical ideology. It will never make sense, you won’t be able to square the circle.Most of us, no doubt including JK Rowling, have been there. You can be supportive of gender dysphorics (which, by the way, the trans lobby says transpeople no longer need to experience to medically transition) without advocating reorganizing law and society around their self perceived sense of identity to the detriment of everyone else.
>(which, by the way, the trans lobby says transpeople no longer need to experience to medically transition
who said that exactly?
What do you think “self id” means? You seem really ignorant of the trans community and the activism they’re pushing. Hormones and surgery are optional and not barriers to claiming a trans identity. Please see transmed vs tucute divisions (yes, I realize these sound like Dr Seuss names, but that’s the trans community for you)
>What do you think “self id” means? You seem really ignorant of the trans community and the activism they’re pushing.
and you are incredibly ignorant of how difficult it is for trans people to get access to hormones and surgeries. again who are you referring to exactly? some rando on twitter youve mistaken for the voice of all trans people?
The US uses an informed consent model. Anyone can get hormones after filling out a few forms at Planned Parenthood. Girls as young as 12 and 13 have been given “gender affirming” double mastectomies.Your retorts in this thread have been histrionic and unwilling to grapple with the actual repercussions of the ideology you’re supporting.
>The US uses an informed consent model. Anyone can get hormones after filling out a few forms at Planned Parenthood.
not true, not all of USA has informed consent model> Girls as young as 12 and 13 have been given “gender affirming” double mastectomies.thats absolutely a lieyour accusations of histrionics is pretty hilarious when youre just making things up.
race and gender are different concepts, for example one is inherited the other assigned
Race, like every other biology-based category or metric, is not really subject to self-identification. Well, sort of. Rachel Dolezal, for most intents and purposes, was a black woman for a time (at least in the sense of race being a social construct). It’s just that when it was definitively shown that she was white, her socially-constructed race changed. It would be fairly similar, I suspect, for anyone who was able-bodied but claimed to be disabled. Once that video of them trail running or whatever came out, people would be like “get out of that wheelchair”.
But sex seems to be in kind of a liminal space right now, for some people. Not so many years ago, the focus was on separating gender identity from sex. Sure, for the vast majority of the population they’re essentially the same thing – ask someone their gender and you’ll get the same answer as you would if you asked their sex. But it was part of the push to legitimize trans people and trans identity. Your sex is what your body is, your gender is what you feel inside. And if one doesn’t match the other, a person should be able to present themselves in a way that makes them comfortable without being harassed.But someone’s gender identity doesn’t change their sex. It’s not possible to change someone’s sex, and likely won’t be for at least a century. A person can modify their body to more closely resemble the opposite sex, but that’s as far as it goes. For most human interactions and endeavors, this is probably fine. After all, how many times a day does it truly matter what someone else’s body actually is? It’s just that there are a few parts of life where biological sex actually matters, and it’s fine to acknowledge that in these areas, a trans person is not the same as a cis person. It isn’t bigoted to say that biological sex matters in the cases where men and women are segregated according to their bodies, and self-identity doesn’t trump physical reality in those cases.
First, “It would be fairly similar, I suspect, for anyone who was able-bodied
but claimed to be disabled. Once that video of them trail running or
whatever came out, people would be like “get out of that wheelchair”.” This is a bad metaphor because many people who use wheelchairs don’t necessarily need them every day, like people with progressive neurological diseases who are more mobile some days than others.Second, the concept of “changing someone’s sex” is utterly meaningless and based on vague, poorly defined societal constructs.
The problem comes when dipshits like this guy use what I would consider a reasonable logistical argument about something like incarceration and then applies it to EVERYTHING tangentially. So because there’s a *minor* chance that a *criminal* who identifies as trans *might* sexually assault (or even consensually fornicate with) someone of the opposite biological sex IN fucking PRISON, that somehow… means… trans kids shouldn’t… receive gender-affirming healthcare? There are always these ridiculous leaps of logic to justify what ultimately comes down to bigotry.
you forgot the part where they posted studies and reports that contradict their claims
I think you covered that pretty well. Not that they’d even remotely concede a tiny bit of it.
The poster I replied to wasn’t making an argument one way or another, they were simply grappling with a piece of current trans ideology that they couldn’t quite make work. (It’s clearly not a universal viewpoint among trans activists and allies, as you yourself don’t seem against acknowledging physical reality when it’s pertinent to a particular issue, like trans prisoners).The OP doesn’t seem to be using such tangential arguments in the fashion that you’re suggesting, however. The arguments about specific issues seem to be addressed by information specifically about those issues.I’ve seen conflation of arguments more often coming from pro-trans people – I mean, JKR is a sterling example. Throughout the comment section of this article you can easily find people characterizing her as hateful, all the way to invoking the specter of genocide. When what she’s actually said largely boils down to ‘Self-identification does not overwrite material reality, society is not benefited by rearranging language and institutions around a fractional percentage of the population, and the evidence in favor of childhood gender affirming care is far from ironclad’.
I looked up what she originally said that got people riled up initially, and…
Rowling drew outrage Saturday on Twitter when she criticized an
opinion piece published by the website Devex, a media platform for the
global development community, that used the phrase “ people who menstruate.” “I’m sure there used to be a word for those people,” the famous British author tweeted. “Someone help me out. Wumben? Wimpund? Woomud?” She continued with another thread speaking about the concept of biological sex.“If
sex isn’t real, there’s no same-sex attraction,” she tweeted. “If sex
isn’t real, the lived reality of women globally is erased. I know and
love trans people, but erasing the concept of sex removes the ability of
many to meaningfully discuss their lives. It isn’t hate to speak the
truth.”https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-jk-rowling-us-news-media-7338b2b262090c00f04deafe2e6689c2She’s never said that trans people should face violence, or discrimination in the workplace, or social ostracism. She’s never said that trans people should be arrested or institutionalized for their gender identity. She’s always, as far as I can tell, affirmed that people should be able to express themselves as they see fit without worry of harm or harassment. But to a very loud portion of the trans community and its allies, it seems as though any sort of disagreement is equivalent to the deepest hostility.
First, it’s sort of ironic that you bring up her shitty little snark that started the ball rolling. Because for as hard as she has gone in against trans women out of supposed concern for women only spaces that initial snark was in blatant disregard for the existence of trans men. Who can menstruate. Setting aside for the moment how her comment ignored cis women who don’t menstruate, it’s just also a very obvious example of her denying trans identity.Second, ehhh: https://www.glamour.com/story/a-complete-breakdown-of-the-jk-rowling-transgender-comments-controversyDon’t cape for the woman just because she’s capable of the tissue-paper-thin veneer of reasonableness and good intentions. It hides a well of bigotry.
That Glamour article is something I read. And it’s not caping, it’s reading and forming my own conclusions. When both sides of an argument are saying things that are understandable (Yes, I can in fact understand why people would push to change language to specifically include trans identities, but at the same time I can understand why it’s silly to change language to cater to a fraction of a percent of the population), I’m also going to look at how people are making their arguments. And when one side reacts to snark as though they were physically attacked (or insist that said snark will encourage physical attacks) I’m going to think that side is maybe not so reasonable. Especially when that side also makes unreasonable arguments, that do not seem to receive any pushback by their more sensible elements (Such as with prisons and athletics).So much of the argumentation just gets summed up as ‘bigotry’. JKR says something snarky? Bigotry. Point out how none of what she said was actually hateful? In that case, she’s still bigoted, she just hides it behind being reasonable. Don’t get fooled by what she actually says, just trust that she’s a bigot and react as though what she actually said was some sort of incitement to violence.Couple of stray thoughts: ‘cis women who don’t menstruate’ (which includes Rowling, given her age) is irrelevant to the issue. I’ve never heard of a menopausal woman expressing dismay that she was being left out when discussions of anything related to menstruation/reproduction don’t include her (nor have I heard of a woman whose medical issues lead to a lack of a monthly cycle do likewise). I’m not saying that no one has ever said this, just that I’ve never heard of anyone referencing this. It seems to be strictly related to trans identity.‘Blatant disregard for the existence of trans men.’ It’s not blatant disregard, it’s thinking that the female reproductive system doesn’t become male due to a change in how the owner identifies themselves. It like referring to prostate cancer as a men’s health issue. I find it interesting how it almost entirely seems to be womens’ issues that are being focused on – I mean, I haven’t seen any similar verbage for men. No reclassification as ‘prostate havers’. I suspect that’s at the heart of Rowling’s view that trans issues and women’s issues – though not fundamentally at odds (since like 95% of trans issues with regards to the public sphere seem to be solvable with ‘just be polite to people’. There are not a whole lot of situations in daily life where it actually matters what someone’s got going on under their clothes), when accommodations are made for trans people it always seems like they’re being made by women. Men aren’t being told to make room for trans people in sports, or locker rooms, men aren’t having their bodies referred to as something other than ‘male’.
I’m not siding with JKR because ‘caping’ or because I love her books (I’ve actually read, watched and played zero Harry Potter), it’s because after all this time of hearing how vile and hateful she was I actually bothered to look into why and found the evidence to be rather lacking. Now, it appears that as her timeline has progressed she’s gotten rather snarkier, but given the hyperbolic reactions to her (and the way they’ve progressed) it’s pretty easy to see why she didn’t come to the conclusion that she was the one in the wrong.
You end the first paragraph with one of the most ridiculous and misunderstood and overused examples of what some people consider “reasonable” that absolutely is NOT: athletics. If the concern is about an even playing field between athletes then you can’t JUST take testosterone levels into account (and even if you DO there are men with more T than other men, cis women with more T than some men, and continuing research demonstrates that actually testosterone does NOT give an athlete the advantage we once thought it did and a trans woman both/either on medication and/or social transitioning will have LOWER T, etc). If we’re gonna have a shit fit about equality in sports competitions we have to look at class. Rich student athletes have access to better equipment, better training, and usually the kind of community support that makes a difference. We have to look at funding for sports in the local schools and public sports organizations. Some schools regardless of student economic status have well-funded sports programs. We have to address the quality of coaching. There are just a thousand fucking advantages and disadvantages that any given athlete will have over another athlete so WHY is there such a focus on hormones and gender? (Hint: Because it’s easy to be a fucking bigot but pretend that you care about fairness in sports.) (Or hell, maybe people are just that stupid.) Apologies for getting strident but the whole “athletics” element of the conversation drives me up a fucking wall. And honestly even the prison example I find mostly stupid and only reasonable because of the possibility of pregnancy. Because statistically it has been proven time and time and time again that trans women prisoners sent to male pop are raped. And I know JoJo doesn’t give a shit if a trans woman is raped, she only cares about her cis sisters. But it’s still a problem, obviously.Yeah, kudos on figuring out that transphobia is deeply entrenched in misogyny and homophobia (which arguably is just a variety of misogyny since femme-coded behavior on the part of gay men is what tends to cause the reaction in anti-gay bigots).And yes, it fucking absolutely IS disregarding trans masc identity! She was being sarcastic because someone said “people who menstruate” to mean “PEOPLE WHO FUCKING MENSTRUATE”, which includes trans men! By Rowling insisting that ONLY women menstruate she is BY DEFINITION denying the existence of trans men. How do you not see that?And it’s fun that we can play the anecdotal evidence game because personally *I* recall PLENTY of menopausal cis women in the comments of the various Gawker-associated sites talking shit about Rowling’s Tweet for that very reason. Most, as I recall, were trans allies so more likely to give her shit anyway. But still, the point stands.You don’t seem to understand the concept of caping because it’s exactly what you’re doing. Acting as though what she said was reasonable in the first place (it wasn’t) and excusing the increase in her unending talk about the subject as a natural defense against the supposed progressively increasing antagonism of her detractors. Which is also bullshit.And I can’t believe I have to explain how someone with her cultural, economic, and political influence is in a position to create the environment that leads to harm against the trans community. She’s a fucking enabler. She considers herself a feminist, which I have to assume means she recognizes that a guy might not, himself, be a literal rapist while still terribly contributing to rape culture. That’s what she’s doing. She’s contributing to the murder of trans people at the hands of bigots. She’s contributing to the suicide of trans youth who see people with her outsized influence as denying their existence.Like where the fuck have you been for this conversation the culture has been having for years now?
I would say that the difference is that race is purely a social construct, based on people eyeballing the effects of a bunch of random genes for things like melanin levels and eyelid shape, whereas sex is an actual biological mechanism that plays a central role in the human life cycle. So while I think it’s unlikely that genetic and/or developmental variation could bring about something like “racial dysphoria” in any meaningful sense, it’s not at all hard for me to believe that such variations could cause the complex mechanism that is human sexuality to work in an atypical fashion.I think about how a lot of people used to assume that being attracted to the opposite sex was a fundamental aspect of being a man or a woman, and homosexuality was just a psychological delusion caused by not having a strong male role model or being too close to your mother or whatever. Now pretty much everyone correctly understands that being gay is just a natural sexual variation. Is it really so much harder to believe that, in the same way, identifying as a man or women could in some cases be detached from its typical correlation with XX or XY?
“I have trouble thinking simply that transgendered people born male are plainly female.”Skill issue
Part of it (maybe most) stems from the fact that concepts like gender and race are sociological, not biological. Some cultures have more than two genders, but most of Western civilization only recognizes two: men and women. However, not everyone is born with either a penis or a vagina. Hermaphroditism is a thing that exists that transphobic chuds like to pretend doesn’t. So anyone born outside of the rigid gender binary is already at a disadvantage. I tend to avoid discussing “trans people in sports” discussions because I have never enjoyed playing or watching sports, so it’s not my place to tell anyone who does or doesn’t belong in that space. But here too it seems to me that trans men and women who want to play are screwed no matter what because we only have men and women’s sports. Maybe if there were more options, it wouldn’t be an issue. Some have argued that if sports are really about ability, why separate men and women at all? That argument makes sense to me too, but again, I don’t know enough about sports to feel strongly either way.I think race is different because society changes its view about race much more rapidly than it does gender. We even keep changing what we call different races despite little-to-no scientific evidence to support the arbitrary ways we separate races. That’s why I think what Dolezal did is so different. It felt selfish and exploitive.
“This is more like a white person claiming to be black”
Yeah, no, since being trans isn’t a choice, just as race isn’t a choice, but thanks for the wilful ignorance I guess.
please die
Boy will it ever. Sterilizing young children for social justice points is going to be very difficult to justify in a few years time.
Let is be clear that this noncommittal post about whether the nonsense he’s twisted up from more nonsense to justify even more nonsense (or genocide, take your pick) will be Seen By Historians In The Unknowable Future as good or bad is literally the reason the rest of the thread exists. This is about the most literal representation of what centrism allows to flourish I’ve seen here in a while, so congrats on that I guess?
That’s not what happened, but since you’re out of the greys: An NHS-affiliated medical association performed a meta-analysis of the existing data, but used stricter criteria than other policy makers, which led to a great deal of research data being excluded from their analysis.
So they came to a different conclusion regarding trans kids taking puberty blockers — different from all other medical associations. I suspect that as research continues and data accumulates further, they’ll have to reverse course.
You’re behind on the news. It’s not just the UK reversing course.
You’re a fucking idiot who needs to die
You’re behind on the news. It’s not just the UK reversing course.
I guess we’ll see. Let’s compare notes in 5 years. I’ll send you $10USD in BTC if I’m wrong.
fuck you
Lololol. No. There is a reason that every country in Europe is reversing course on this.
Every single systematic review of the available evidence has come to the same conclusion as the Cass review. You don’t know what you’re talking about
Tell that to the AMA, CMA, and the dozens of other professional associations whose job it is to evaluate the evidence.
Don’t forget the WHO!
Oh right, thanks for pointing that out. I was too focused on country/federal, and below, but even the WHO’s guidance differs from the NHS’ on this.
Baba O’Riley is an absolute banger.
They have not performed systematic reviews. Again, you don’t know what you’re talking about
Can you point to a systematic review carried out by any of those organisations? I’ll help: no you can’t, because they don’t exist. You idiots.
Oh. Well, then. If we can’t trust the word of a body whose pursestrings are dependent on the whims of a regressive Conservative government eager to distract voters from actual issues, then who can we trust? /sWhat the decisions of sporting bodies have to do with Rowling’s decision to be a cantankerous c—t about the rights of other people whose only offence to her is their existence eludes me. (The hidden word is “cowpat.”)
Rowling argues for sex to be recognized in law, which includes female only hospital wards, prisons, rape shelters, changing rooms, and sports leagues.
Speaking of cowpats…
You are arguing for women not to be recognized as a sex based class. The logical endpoint of your views is self id: anyone who says they’re a woman is a woman. What do you think inevitably happens? Male rapists sharing cells with female prisoners, sex offenders entering female locker rooms while the women who complain are called liars and bigots, lesbians being told their sexuality is hurtful and wrong, women losing to men in their own sports leagues – these aren’t theoretical, they’re already happening. Rowling understandably has a problem with it. Why don’t you?
Your hands must be sticky and red from all the cherry picking.And the blood of trans folks murdered by emboldened bigots like yourself and Jo, of course.
So you don’t support male rapists in female prisons or male sex offenders (whose drivers license says they’re female thanks to people like you) in female locker rooms? Uh, welcome to TERFville, population: you. A woman is anyone who says they’re a woman, bigot, even if she’s raped women with her penis. That is *your* side of this argument. Give your head a shake.Transwomen in the US and UK are among the safest demographics that exist. An ordinary person has better odds of being murdered. They inflate those numbers by including trans prostitutes, an inherently dangerous occupation, in Brazil.
No one is going through an identity change to get put into women’s prisons or peek in locker rooms lolol wtf are you talking about. What’s actually happening is they’re putting full transitioned transwomen into men’s prisons because the state they’re in said “nope you were born that way!”
One thing is made up and doesn’t happen (your scenario) and the other is very real and happening as we speak.
If you believe men, including rapists and murderers, won’t take advantage of self id policies to enter a women’s locker room or prison, you’re so divorced from reality that it’s barely worth responding to.I wonder what a person like yourself would make of Darren Merager, the sex offender with a record, who exposed “her” penis to a hot tub of nude women and girls, including a 9 year old, in a Korean spa. His driver’s license states he is female, so he has done nothing wrong according to you. This is the reality you’re fighting for and JK Rowling is fighting against. Incarcerated, fully transitioned transwomen deserve protections in the form of third spaces. They are not entitled to female only spaces.
“If you believe men, including rapists and murderers, won’t take advantage of self id policies to enter a women’s locker room or prison, you’re so divorced from reality that it’s barely worth responding to.”That is an absolutely dumb thing to believe, but I guess it motivates you to keep on hating minorities with the excuse of being concerned about something I bet you don’t care about protecting. All your points are just excuses to hate. There is no concern, it’s all fake from you.
Again: this is already happening. You’re simply ignoring reality in favor of a trendy ideology. The emperor has no clothes, so stop complimenting his suit.There are hundreds of requests in California for men to move to women’s prisons. There are about a dozen requests for women to move to men’s prisons.I wonder why the disparity. It’s almost like biological sex is real and has serious implications and risks, especially for women.
you know someone is full of shit when the only prison reform they talk about is making sure trans people are sent to the jail of their assigned gender at birth
Hey guess what? That person didn’t transition to expose people lol. Bathroom signs aren’t stopping people. You people will use ANY excuse for your hatred. Fuck yourself with a cactus
Many crimes are crimes of opportunity. As Rowling points out, women are harassed and assaulted far more often in mixed sex changing rooms than single sex ones. One of the first things they do when building schools in developing countries is create female only bathrooms because young girls will not go to school without them due to harassment from the boys.So yes, single sex spaces will stop at least some predators. It won’t stop all, but it will give women recourse when a male does enter female spaces, which you are currently denying to women.
dont act like your actual concern if for women when youve just talked shit about trans people for days. but sure log out when you get called out. so stunning and brave of you
so what are female victims of rape supposed to do when their assaulter is a cis women? get the whole shelter to herself cus everyone else their has similar body parts to their assaulter?
A logistical issue for sure!However, 98% of rapists are male and 90% of rape victims are female, so my way will address the actual numbers whereas your way will only satisfy a male-centric ideology.
Ah so you dont care about female victims of rape when the rapist is also a woman, thank you for clarifying
If this is your logic – that I don’t care about the small percentage of female-on-female sexual violence victims – what does it say about you wanting to open up female only shelters to males? It seems like you’re implying you don’t care about the vast majority of rape victims following your own logic.At this point, I suspect I’m arguing with a distressed, but highly manipulative child and will disengage. Have a good day.
what does it say about you that you dont care about rape victims because of there genitalia? and you think youre a feminist? HAHAHAHAHAHA
of course youll disengage after you just made up a bunch of shit i called you out on. you transphobes are such cowards
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2674039Here is a chart indicating 13 year olds had mastectomies. It is a pro trans article so you won’t be able to dismiss it.Goodbye. I have zero interest in arguing with a distraught child, because I’m not actually hateful. Good luck to you.
You can conflate transgender identity and a proclivity for rape all you like, it’s not true. It’s just an obsession for JoJo and weirdos like you.
I will fucking murder your family
thats a nice slippery slope youve fallen down
I hate you
And every other country in europe that is currently pulling back on sterilizing children?
Stupid, baseless conspiracy theories are all you idiots have now that it’s been proven Rowling (among others) was right: you argue for the sterilization of children, she argues against it.
farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrtttttttttttttttttttttttt
This is about what I expect from you people. You’ll spend the next few decades swearing up and down that you never supported any of this.
Twenty thousand mostly fucking aggravating posts later and this feels like the best response.
You have a hard on for Rowling or something? You defend her like she’s done something for YOU personally. I think you’re just like her, sad and empty, hoping someone would reach out to comfort you, but you’re too much of a piece of shit to realize its you, you’re the problem.
She’s the one saying the emperor has no clothes while you waste your breath praising his new suit.
You seem mentally ill.
WAY further down in the comments, this person finally reveals (or at least claims) that they had gender dysphoria as a child, implying that they were convinced otherwise. This is someone who is self-loathing, and compensating for the harms done to them in their life in the worst way.
No one is letting males into female sports. if you mean transgendered people, those are women / girls rightfully claiming their place. Federal court just rolled back a hateful antiLGBTQ bill in WV allowing young girls who happen to be trans into girls sports. Where they belong. Catch up.
Transwomen are by definition male, which is a cross species term that refers to biological sex. But thank you for illustrating that “sex and gender are different” was always a motte and bailey.
You are a men’s rights activist
“JK Rowling isn’t behind on this issue, she’s ahead.”
Yes.The tide is turning in Europe as reality and evidence based science return. America is behind but will follow suit. Sorry, you won’t be able to bully women and sterilize kids forever.
Christ, you TERFs are so credulous. No one is bullying women, especially not the women I know who back trans rights to the hilt. No one is sterilizing children, especially not the parents and doctors who spend years in therapy and careful observation, slow walking social transition. I know you’re just some piece of shit troll on the internet, but if you ever want to have an informed conversation on the topic in the real world with real people, it might behoove you to educate yourself, like, a little tiny bit so that you don’t look like as much of an stupid asshole as you do now.
The WPATH is aiming to remove all barriers, including age, to transition. This isn’t a conspiracy theory, you can read about it in WPATH 8.I really wish you lot would educate yourself on your own side. Arguing with you and continually being told stuff I’ve seen with my own eyes ”isn’t actually happening” gets boring.
“AYE WHAT ABOUT THIS ONE SCREENSHOT OF PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET BEING ASSHOLES?”
Yes, people on the internet are assholes, present company included. They also don’t represent the real world, which is the place where trans folks are at FOUR times higher risk of being the victims of violence when compared to ALL cis-gendered folks, a group with a nearly-30% rate of attempted suicide. THAT’S the real world that you and your ilk are actively making worse by continuing to regurgitate bad faith, unscientific talking points with smug certainty.
Did you read my post? That is not a random twitter person by any stretch. Those statistics include Brazilian prostitutes. Transpeople are statistically among the safest demographics in the US.
Brazilian prostitutes, jesus fucking christ. Can y’all even hear yourselves?
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ncvs-trans-press-release/
Because it is true, they purposefully inflate murder statistics using highly at-risk demographics because your average white transwoman tech worker is even safer than your average person.If you don’t want to be accused of manipulation, don’t fight for the side that argues against reality.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5551594/
>your average white transwoman tech worker is even safer than your average person.
ok so what about the transwomen who arent white or in tech?
“they purposefully inflate murder statistics using highly at-risk demographics”
*ahem* Did you read my post? That link is about murders only. It does not do anything to refute a claim about all instances of violence. And even your source concludes that “the homicide rates of young transfeminine Black and Latina residents were almost certainly higher than were those of cisfeminine comparators”
“Also, please address what Strangio said and who Strangio is to illustrate you’re arguing in good faith.”
This is the first time Strangio has come up in a reply to me, so I have no idea what you’re talking about. I googled up Chase Strangio, and found what I’m guessing you’re referring to, him saying that stopping the circulation of a book and the ideas contained therein is “100% a hill I will die on.” And if I thought he wasn’t being hyperbolic, and that he had the power to stop the circulation of a book, I would find that alarming. Fortunately, neither is the case, as it’s been four years since the comment was made and no formal action’s been taken. If it’s something else, let me know.
“you can read about it in WPATH 8″I’ll admit I wasn’t familiar with the WPAT SOC 8 (which is what it’s actually called, ffr) but from the news coverage I can find, it looks like people are taking the inclusion, then removal of minimum ages in certain sections to mean that there should be no age restrictions on any type of care. I didn’t find anything like that in my admittedly brief scan over the 293 page document*, but if you can point me to the relevant points, I’d love to know more. As it is, the section on care for children makes no mention of medical interventions, other than saying patients and their parents/caregivers should be informed “about potential gender affirming medical interventions, the effects of these treatments on future
fertility, and options for fertility preservation.” Under the recommendations for Adolescents, it does mention medical interventions, but also recommends demonstrating non-surgical means to disguise gender presentation, such as “chest
binding and genital tucking, including a review of the benefits and risks,” and that any conversation about medical interventions should “involve parent(s)/guardian(s) in the assessment and treatment process,
unless their involvement is determined to be harmful to the adolescent or not feasible.” So . . . what?
*https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/26895269.2022.2100644
its amazing when you actually read what the anti trans crowd uses as proof that “trans rights have gone too far” and its not objectionable at all
Amazingly consistent, if nothing else.
Your side argues misgendering is violence, so let’s keep it to objective measures. You can also witness inflated or misleading statistics when organizations like HRC list victims of trans violence only to find their murders had nothing to do with being trans. Your activism is based on manipulation, as always.It should concern you that a lawyer for the ACLU is against free speech. Incidentally, the ACLU sued a woman a few years back for requesting the number of male prisoners in female prisons under the Freedom of Information act. Your activism relies on suppression.That you’re not alarmed at the WPATH watering down the guidelines and restrictions, as they always do despite you lot always claiming “this never happens, they don’t give 13 year olds mastectomies” (see your comrade above), shouldn’t surprise me but it does. Your side relies on using children as pawns, harming and sterilizing them in the process. You won’t be able to handwave this away forever. This will be looked at the same way as lobotomies soon.
You say “your side” a lot, then bring up strawmen arguments sans evidence, while the person you’re responding to is addressing your points directly, which you’ve neatly avoided in your rebuttal.In other words, when your debate partner attempted to address the concerns you raised, you switched to having different concerns with what you’ve declared they “actually” believe instead of what they actually just said. And if you’re going to be arguing with what you’d prefer people to be arguing… you realize you don’t need to be here to do that? You can set up cardboard standees of villains in your living room and talk to them, you know that, right?
How did I not address their points? I linked a study saying transwomen are a relatively safe demographic, she claimed a different metric (which I addressed due to the vagueness of “violence”) and cherry picked the higher at-risk demographics, directly illustrating what I accused her of.She is not bothered that Chase Strangio, an ACLU lawyer and major leading figure in trans activism, is against freedom of speech and information. She earlier dismissed Strangio’s claims that biological sex is just an oppressive social construct as just some random Twitter weirdo, indicating she doesn’t recognize one of her own leaders setting the tone of this entire debate. We’re at a stalemate here.She found evidence of what I said about WPATH and dismissed it as no big deal despite earlier implying that childhood transition is heavily gatekept to make sure only children who need it get it. Now it’s a positive that restrictions are lifted. Another stalemate: it should be restricted 100%, we won’t see eye to eye on this because I’m simply against the unnecessary sterilization of children. What is it that you want from me besides changing my mind?
youre assuming they have a living room and can afford cardboard
Pgoodso said it better (and with far fewer expletives) than I could, so I’ll leave it there.
I was a dysphoric child. I am so glad adults like you weren’t around when I was a kid. Have a good day. Or don’t.
“I was a dysphoric child. I am so glad adults like you weren’t around when I was a kid.”
I imagine it was bullied out of you. Sorry that happened. But you can end that cycle now, if you choose.
I desisted during puberty as upwards of 90% of children do when allowed to have a natural development by the adults around them.
Cool stat, 90%. Reply with your source, or don’t reply. Thanks!
https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychiatry/articles/10.3389/fpsyt.2021.632784/fullHere’s one of multiple studies that found the majority of children desist if not put on a medicalization pathway by the adults around them. You could have easily found this by googling desistance rates and since you dismiss any evidence against your poisonous ideology, I don’t see a point in doing the legwork for you. Most of us thought like you did at one point, but we examined the evidence (or lack thereof) and changed our minds. At this point, you’re clearly too far gone. Systemic reviews have and will continue to find that these “treatments” are harmful, and you’ll still be here, calling us the bigots.
you tranphobes clearly dont read the studies you post, so why should anyone?either way from it:“It can, however, be said with certainty that the vast majority of boys were seen during a particular period of time when the therapeutic approach of recommending or supporting a gender social transition prior to puberty was not made….The study by Steensma et al. (51), which found the highest rate of persistence, included some patients who had made a partial or complete gender social transition prior to puberty and this variable proved to be a unique predictor of persistence”so no it actually doesn’t prove what you claim it does.
Interesting study. Sorry, I misunderstood your original statement, I took it that you were saying that 90% of those that transition choose to detransition, which is basically exactly opposite of reality. But yeah, looking through that study, which had 139 participants and covered a time period of 34 years (~4 participants per year) 88% of them were not diagnosable with Gender Identity Disorder in adulthood. I do question the methodology of the study (shocker!) since it focuses on such a small set of individuals, mostly from the same part of the world, and spread out over a long stretch of time during which cultural norms shifted significantly. I also wonder why so much of the study focuses on sexual attraction on the Kinsey scale, which has nothing to do with gender presentation. My guess is that homosexuality was more conflated with Gender Identity Disorder (which wasn’t even a term in use when the study started) in the 70s-90s and they do find that >60% of participants were still bi-or androphilic at the conclusion. I mean, honestly, I would have been a candidate for this study at around age 7-8, which gives me pause. But sure, there’s a study.Anyway, I think your earlier point is correct. We are both intransigent in our positions. I will never stop fighting for my trans friends and family, and you will never stop fighting against them. I’d say we can wrap this up.
i love when people post “definitive evidence” and its based on studying a little over 100 people. its really cute
Ah. Here we go. Here’s why this thread exists.Cool anecdotal rationale for making incredibly bad faith arguments while constantly moving goalposts!
if you can point to any 13 year old who got a double mastectomy im all ears.maybe i can explain it, you keep saying restrictions are being watered down and its cause for concern yet you’re not actually engaging with what is being recommended and then follow it up with a straw man argument. and then you claim the pro trans crowd is being illogical and stupid. its pretty entertaining.
do you really think the “trans isnt real” isnt using children as pawns to push their beliefs?
I’ve already provided you a source from a pro trans organization indicating 13 year olds are getting mastectomies.Here’s another, I won’t be responding to you again.https://www.dhillonlaw.com/lawsuits/layla-jane-v-kaiser-hospital-foundation-inc/Logging out since only zealots are left here.
and why should i not jus dismiss your source as you dismiss others?
Also, please address what Strangio said and who Strangio is to illustrate you’re arguing in good faith. Don’t dodge. Otherwise, bye.
Catch up?
The only reason people are behind you is because they’re running circles around you.
And yet everything those nasty TERFs have been predicting for years has come to fruition.5 years from now, you’ll be pretending you never supported harming kids and lying that you think people can change sex.
lmao in five years that won’t be happening but you’ll still be a sad, lonely, obsessed bigot wondering why you don’t have any friends.
which things exactly? are they in the room with us now?
I like that every once in a while a grey is released into the wild and proves that we should be always be caged.
the anti trans crowd has already convinced themselves they aren’t hateful, so convincing themselves theyre progressive seems pretty par for the course
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It’s interesting seeing all these people acting as though Rowling’s views on trans healthcare haven’t been completely vindicated, isn’t it. Like visiting a little zoo full of people stuck in 2019.
Right? AVClub: the land that time forgot.The world will just precede without them I guess.
Well honestly. This is AV Club. The entire existence is in borrowed time, as the sister sites around it went kaput.
and that happened when and where exactly?
In multiple systematic reviews, most recently in the Cass report, which confirms what many people including Rowling have said for years: the evidence base for puberty blockers is piss poor.
and do these systematic reviews exist outside your mind?
its odd that no one has issue prescribing hormone blockers to cis children, weirdthe only risks seems to be potentially osteoporosis later in life, which can be mitigated by taking vitamin D and calcium supplements.anything else youd like to make up?
“and do these systematic reviews exist outside your mind?”Are you serious? Look up the Cass review. Why do you have such strong opinions about something you clearly don’t know the first thing about? “its odd that no one has issue prescribing hormone blockers to cis children”I assume you’re referring to these drugs being prescribed for precocious puberty? That is a different condition, treatment and cohort. You can’t compare that to off label use. Again, strong opinions, zero knowledge.
yes im aware precocious puberty is a different than gender dysphoria not sure what your point was. if we dont know the effects of the drug why are we prescribing it to certain people and not others?
one report doesnt prove JKs views “completely vindicated” particularly when you yourself ignore any evidence that doesn’t support your beliefs.and no i havent read a 400 page document that was finalized on april 10th and doubt you have either but from page 12
“This Review is not about defining what it means to be trans, nor is it about undermining the validity of trans identities, challenging the right of people to express themselves, or rolling back on people’s rights to healthcare. It is about what the healthcare approach should be, and how best to help the growing number of children and young people who are looking for support from the NHS in relation to their gender identity.”page 15“In conducting this Review I have had to make recommendations based on the currently available information. I am very aware that this is a point in time and as new evidence is gathered different insights might emerge.”from page 21“Hearing directly from people with lived experience and clinicians has provided valuable insight into the ways in which services are currently delivered and experienced. This has contributed to the Review’s understanding of the positive experiences of living as a trans or gender diverse person, as well the uncertainties, complexities and challenges faced by children, young people, their families and carers, and those working in and around services trying to support them.”
from page 27
“Being gender-questioning or having a trans identity means different things to different people. Among those being referred to children and young people’s gender services, some may benefit from medical intervention and some may not. The clinical approach must reflect this.”
page 30
“The controversy surrounding the use of medical treatments has taken focus away from what an individual’s care and treatment plan is intended to achieve, both for individual children and young people and for the overall population…a plan for addressing the gender issues, which may involve any combination of social, psychological and physical interventions”
page 31
“The intent of psychosocial intervention is not to change the person’s perception of who they are, but to work with them to explore their concerns and experiences and help alleviate their distress regardless of whether or not the young person subsequently proceeds on a medical pathway.”so i dont think this report is really the mic drop you think it is cus the people who did this report clearly supports children being able to transition. but thanks ill be happy to read it
“if we dont know the effects of the drug why are we prescribing it to certain people and not others?”Not sure what to make of this tbh. It’s two completely different conditions. You wouldn’t say chemotherapy is effective as a cancer treatment so it’s safe to use for X condition too.“one report doesnt prove JKs views “completely vindicated” particularly when you yourself ignore any evidence that doesn’t support your beliefs.”Cass is the most comprehensive review of the evidence so far. I haven’t ignored evidence, it’s just been clear for several years to anyone who bothered to look that the evidence is poor. None of those quotes from Cass contradict what I have said: the evidence for the efficacy of PBs in trans kids is poor. Good on you for actually engaging with the report though. I’d recommend reading it with an open mind, but be prepared to be horrified by some of the lies activists have spread about the standard of evidence.
if the concern is the side effect of the drug, why is the condition its treating relevant?
so your ok with prepubescent cis children taking experimental drugs we don’t know the long terms affects of but against trans children doing it? you should be more concerned for the welfare of children with precocious puberty then. tsk tsk.again the report recommends puberty blockers and support for trans children. thank you for sharing a report that supports children transitioning medically. you should try taking your own advice and engage with it.
“if the concern is the side effect of the drug, why is the condition its treating relevant?”Stupid point. “If chemotherapy cures both cancer and the common cold, why does the side effect matter?”“the report recommends puberty blockers”This is just a lie.
“If chemotherapy cures both cancer and the common cold”so you arent aware of how chemotherapy and a cold are different and don’t see how postponing puberty whether for being trans or have precocious puberty are similar? weird
the report stated that people can benefit from medical intervention. again this report supports children transitioning, you should try reading the report youre using as an example with an open mind.
“postponing puberty whether for being trans or have precocious puberty are similar” Precocious puberty is a physical condition, unlike being trans. Are you really so dense that you can’t see the difference?“this report supports children transitioning”The report is very clear that the evidence base for puberty blockers is insufficient. That was my point.You were unaware of its existence a day ago but great that you feel you’re in a position to lecture me about it.
are you so dense that you cant see the similarities in postponing puberty? the answer is yes.
so youre just going to ignore the parts of the report you recommended that validate transitioning? sounds like how transphobes come to conclusions.
and yes i’ll lecture you about it because you’ve clearly ignored its contents and think its against children transitioning when in fact you can read even in the intro the author is quite supportive of children transitioning. (you can scroll up to a previous comment of mine to see numerous examples)
thank you again for sharing this document that supports children transitioning medically.
why do you think a report that supports children medically transitioning “ completely vindicated” JK rowlings opinion?
I mean, how can her views have been “completely” vindicated if an overwhelming amount of people disagree with her?
Can’t really see how that follows tbh
Same
Kill yourself 🙂
“Experimental treatments” that have been used with tremendous success for over 50 years (in the case of puberty blockers) and for almost a century (in the case of gender reassignment surgery.)Just because you’re afraid of it doesn’t make it “experimental.”
are being rolled back throughout Europe
LOL, sure they are.https://apnews.com/article/sweden-vote-legal-gender-law-minimum-age-9cfb3c6879ae03c3187f520eed308377https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/16/spain-passes-law-allowing-anyone-over-16-to-change-registered-genderAnd meanwhile, in the US? Just two days ago, a ban on trans rights was defeated in Kansas. One of the most Republican states there is and even they couldn’t pull it off. In fact, several Republicans voted against it.https://apnews.com/article/gender-affirming-care-minors-ban-kansas-veto-b63daeec39cf26e0741569b03aa9ebe9 Transphobia is a losing issue and even the far right knows it. If the UK wants to move backwards and join the various failing third-world nations that still have anti-LGBT laws on the books, they can. It’ll just hasten their continued slide into irrelevancy.
Incorrect, the Dutch Protocol was developed in the 90s and has been getting rolled back throughout Europe after systemic reviews.Using puberty blockers on children with early onset puberty is 1) not without substantial risks, 2) treating an actual physical, medical problem and not a mental illness and 3) not tied to a pathway that includes cross sex hormones that *will* sterilize them and leave them without the ability to orgasm for the rest of their lives. Norway, U.K. Sweden, Denmark, France and Finland have discontinued use of puberty blockers on gender dysphoric minors outside of experimental trials (because it IS experimental).You are severely misinformed on this subject.
“Norway, U.K. Sweden, Denmark, France and Finland have discontinued use of puberty blockers on gender dysphoric minors outside of experimental trials”That doesn’t seem to be quite accurate. “But French doctors offering transgender care said the guidelines aren’t impeding access. Children are eligible for hormone treatments with parental permission at any age and for surgical removal of breasts from age 14. However, hormones are usually prescribed around age 15 or 16 and breast surgery is usually performed after 16, said Laetitia Martinerie, a doctor in the pediatric endocrinology and diabetology department at the Robert-Debré University Hospital in Paris.”“A year and a half after the Karolinska decision, the National Board of Health and Welfare, a Swedish government agency, updated its guidelines on gender-affirming care for minors. It stated that puberty blockers, hormones, and mastectomies should only be used in “exceptional cases,” as the risks are likely to outweigh the benefits. In addition, the board said, mental health care should be offered to patients when doctors are assessing them.In practice, Karolinska and Sweden’s other clinics continue to have latitude to decide which cases qualify, said Edward Summanen, project manager at Sweden’s largest trans organization, Transammans.”“So far, the Norwegian Directorate of Health, which has the authority to set formal guidelines, hasn’t adopted the board’s recommendation.The directorate has instead maintained current rules that allow children to receive puberty blockers once puberty has started and get hormone treatment starting at age 16. While surgical treatment is generally not applicable to minors, chest surgery can be approved in special cases.”https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/06/us-europe-transgender-care-00119106
No, the lack of a solid evidence base is what makes it experimental. Puberty blockers have not been used to treat gender dysphoria for 50 years. Those links aren’t about medical intervention.
And yet evidence-based public health organizations in the U.S. support gender-affirming healthcare. Cuh-razy!
Yes. Once again the profit driven US healthcare system has failed where socialised systems in Europe have finally begun to succeed
“finally” lol
Oh, you little stinker! Look at how you cleverly turned that around on me!SIIIIGGGGGHHHHHHH
Do you actually believe this insanity or
You believe in gendered souls, that kids can be “born into the wrong body”, and transubstantiation in the form of a man becoming a woman once he proclaims himself to be one.Buddy, I’m not the one believing heinous things. You will lose this fight. Reality has a funny way of winning even when you try to wish it away.
go fuck yourself
actually go fucking die dude
yeah no trans person has claimed biological sex isnt real but ok
Chase Strangio has literally claimed biological sex is a social construct. This isn’t a random twitter person, this is a lawyer for the ACLU and an architect of trans activism today. If you have not realized that the line has gone from “transwomen are women” to “transwomen are biological women” to “transwomen are female” to “transwomen are biologically female”, you should pay more attention and reconsider your views. There is some one here who has already said transwomen aren’t male. Wake up.
saying something is a social construct isn’t the same thing as saying something isnt real but nice attempt at a goal post move.the line hasn’t moved youre just making a slippery slope argument while ignoring what people are saying
Look at the comments by Radcliffe and the comments by Rowling, and tell me which is the more reasoned response by a happier person. I cannot even begin to imagine having all that money and freedom, and deciding what I really wanted to do with my life is to get in Twitter fights all day over how my views on the existence of other people who haven’t done anything to me or my quality of life should overrule everyone else’s. Radcliffe is a class act, and strikes the exact right note: grateful for what HP has done for his career, but not about to let it (or Rowling’s regrettable spiral) define who he is or what he stands for. Also love that “Good for them, I guess.”
Wasn’t he a struggling alcoholic for quite some time? We don’t know what demons he has in his personal life. To assume someone is happier because they get love on social media for their political views doesn’t sound well reasoned.
Your name is pretty apt.
I wasn’t suggesting “love on social media” be the only metric for determining happiness, and neither should anyone else. No one knows what’s really down in the heart of anyone else, so we can only go by the evidence we can see. And what I see when I look at Radcliffe is a young actor who has matured into a successful adult actor, one who can reasonably express his thoughts, picks projects apparently based on their challenge and/or fun factor rather than an easy payday, and by all accounts is a genuinely nice person to deal with who also seems incredibly aware of how lucky he’s been in life. I’ll take someone like that over a harping and obsessed ideologue any day.
To assume they are happy people because they say things a happy person would say and do things a happy person would do…that seems reasonable.
Defending transphobes isn’t well reasoned either dude
The fact that she’s in good company with Elon Musk here (spends way too much time arguing with people on Twitter) says a lot about how happy (not) being rich and famous clearly makes these people.
It seems like some people get too much praise and then can’t handle criticism or being told they’re wrong. to the point that it drives them kinda nuts. Aaron Sorkin responding to obsessive West Wing fans and then working that into the show is a more fun example.
This is a really well written post that I fully agree with and starred.But…..if Captain Kirk says you don’t need a starship, you don’t need a starship. Take the bus or something. 🙂
I think Radcliffe is absolutely right not to let Rowling define who he is. While there’s no doubt the HP franchise launched him into stardom, the dude is a really talented actor (with great comedic chops) who I’m absolutely certain would have ended up on the screen regardless. He might not have become as famous as quickly without Potter, but he was always going to have a career as an actor.
Rowling has been an adult human female her entire life. Radcliffe needs to sit down.
Most of her comments seem to be focused on things like convicted male rapists using gender crap to serve their time in women’s prisons, o the recent Cass Report, which shows how damaging pushing a confused child toward body mutilation is. Sadly, the trans cultists don’t seem to have an honest bone in their perverted bodies.Why do y’all hate women so much that you literally want to erase them? Young women like Chloe Cole get chewed up and spit out by the gender cult and you pervy dudes won’t say a thing. Heaven forbid you aren’t able to take away every single space women have for their own. Wearing panties is apparently too important…
Seems like she would just…you know…shut the fuck up already. What good is this doing her?
These people literally cannot stop themselves.Last week my dad started on a rant about how you can only fire white men these days. I didn’t try to change his mind. I just said, “I don’t want to talk about this, can we talk about something else.”All I got was “Just one thing…”, Then I said no a second time. “Yeah, but I just want you to hear this.” And then he went in on how I was calling him racist. When all I said was I didn’t want to talk about it.People like Rowling and my dad… it’s an illness. They NEED someone to hear their terrible ideas for some reason. It’s outside the realm of rational action. And I don’t mean the beliefs (though that’s true, too). For example…I love birdwatching. I know that most people don’t So I don’t talk to everyone about it. And I don’t force people to listen to me talk about birdwatching. Especially if they give me subtle signs like telling me they don’t want to talk about birdwatching. But for some reason people with certain political beliefs just can’t fucking shut up about them. In a way they absolutely would shut up if the topic were knitting or making the best brisket.
And yet these people are the ones always whining about getting things shoved down their throats by liberals/media/etc.
I feel genuinely sorry for you, truly.My late dad was a Fox News watcher. He bought my son Bill O’Reilly’s book for teenagers. He hated the Clintons, all that stuff. He voted for Nixon, twice.But when we saw each other, he never brought up politics. Other than buying my son a dumb book, he was a great and involved grandfather to my kids. When I visited, he’d change the channel. We stuck to stuff we had in common — we liked watching UCLA football games (he put me through UCLA) and Dodgers games, stuff like that. He always picked up the check, even when I could afford to pick up the check.My mom and I talk about him sometimes now and she’s convinced he would have hated Trump. My dad was old school when it came to politics: less taxes, smaller government. But he had nothing against gay people.We had our differences, of course, but I am appreciative of the fact that he was able to prioritize our relationship over his politics, even though he knew we disagreed. Sorry for the rant, your post pushed a button for me.
“He bought my son Bill O’Reilly’s book for teenagers.”My mom just gave me a Bill O’Reilly book for my birthday last month. 🙁 The thing is it’s a book on the Salem Witch Trials, and I wouldn’t mind reading a book on the Salem Witch Trials! But I don’t want Bill O’Reilly’s take on the Salem Witch Trials, which is probably that those bitches deserved it because they had sex out of wedlock or something.
One funny thing about the world today is that Tucker Carlson makes one wish for the days when O’Reilly was the big man at Fox.
🙁 🙁 🙁
I just looked up that O’Reilly book on Goodreads, and it seems even worse than you thought, but appropriate for this discussion. Here’s an excerpt from one of the reviews:
Besides the obvious factual errors, what really
burned me was the absolute disgusting author’s note that O’Reilly put at
the end. He defends J. K. Rowling for “promoting traditional gender”
and criticizes “trans fanatics” for speaking out against her gross
transphobia. And he also tries to defend Roseanne Barr and compares
“cancel culture” to the witch hunts in Salem. LMFAO.
Like literally wtf? How is that the same? Have J.K. Rowling and Roseanne Barr been killed for being bigots? Because that’s what happened to the women in the witch trials, Bill. What burns me about the fact that she keeps giving me these books (she has given me several of Glenn Beck’s “history” books as well) is that she is giving these lunatics money on my behalf! I get it that she likes these windbags, but she knows I don’t but she knows I like history so she thinks these books are a way to bridge the gap or something but I resent the fact that she’s using me as an excuse to support them financially. I want to throw the books away but I don’t want to hurt her feelings but I’m haunted by the idea that I’ll be murdered one day and the police will be searching my house for evidence and they’ll find these books and think that’s the kind of person I am.
I feel like this is definitely a place you can set boundaries and just be like “Mom, I’m not gonna accept any presents that are by hateful right-wingers from now on”
The thing is, I bet it’s a reasoned take on the facts of the trials and their horribleness, but the entire last chapter will be “…and that’s why any bad thing someone says about a conservative is a witch hunt, and it’s only liberals who do them.”
Wait, are we siblings? I swear I’ve had this exact same conversation with my dad.
Sounds like you need to hear the real truth about bird issues from this guy:https://twitter.com/ProBirdRights?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Personally I think there was a recent generational shift in terms of young people’s relationships with their elders. And it drives older folks crazy because they spent their whole lives obliged to listen to the older generation, and now it’s their turn and nobody wants to hear it.My brothers are about 10 years older than me, and they live in my dad’s neighborhood, work in his job, and refuse to say that he’s an alcoholic in failing health because it’s disrespectful. That was very much how my dad interacted with his parents’ generation, but it changed.
I simultaneously agree but feel like that shift is nothing new going back to at least the sixties? Each generation thinks the next is out of control, etc.
Well there’s your mistake. Racists hate being called racist.
to be fair a good brisket is something no one should shut up about
My guess? Relevance. She hasn’t really done anything of note as a writer outside of the HP novels and spinoffs, and being the spokesperson for a cause where few other celebrities are clamoring to unseat her gives her the attention she can’t get anymore by being the author of a beloved (yet aging) franchise. Now, there are some folks who argue that her past abuses have made her pro-woman and not anti-transgender, and she’s only speaking up because she fears that whatever safe spaces there are for women are being erased. If that is what’s motivating her, then that’s something she should talk about with a therapist instead of becoming the very thing she claims to hate.
“Now, there are some folks who argue that her past abuses have made her pro-woman and not anti-transgender, and she’s only speaking up because she fears that whatever safe spaces there are for women are being erased.”This is a good point, and it’s likely at least partly true. But if her main concern was for women’s safety then she could be using her infinite wealth to fund women’s shelters and domestic violence prevention programs. Maybe she’s doing that already (and good for her if she is), but when she’s MUCH MUCH LOUDER in her efforts to make life harder for a marginalized group of people then she’s just a shitty bully with a platform and way too much money.
Her mystery novels have been pretty well received—whether that’s with or despite or anything else because of her fame, since her pen name got outed pretty fast, who knows. But anyway, I get the sense she’s a true believer, and even without fame she’d be on X ranting away.
I imagine she truly and passionately believes in what she’s saying, so it’s a cause for her. Also, and I don’t know much about the Potter scene, but I think those books and movies appealed to a very broad spectrum, including people who sympathize with Rowling. People live in bubbles and I like my bubble, but there are probably as many people in those other bubbles than I’d like to admit. Maybe Rowling’s thriving even while a lot of other people think she’s horrible.
I don’t know much about the Potter sceneHere’s the thing — the overarching theme of all seven books is basically “bigotry is bad.” The main bad guy’s goal (beyond, you know, “kill the good guys”) is essentially a Nazi-esque genetic purity campaign for wizards.Now Rowling has revealed herself to be more like her books’ villain that its heroes. She is essentially saying only people born women are true women, much like Lord Voldemort believed only people born to wizards are true wizards. And like her villain, rather than just accept that there are always going to be transwomen in the world, she refuses to acknowledge basic reality and clings to this crazy idea that transgender people are somehow “stealing” what it means to be a woman from her, just like her villain’s belief that magical people who were born to non-magical parents “stole” their powers.Her apparent inability to see the very real parallel between herself and the “Wizard Hitler” villain she created is just astounding.
Yeah, I shouldn’t be surprised that the Potter books are about that and not the opposite. I also wouldn’t be surprised that a lot of readers don’t always bother applying that message to real life, and that they liked the books simply because there’s magic and chocolate frogs and wizards battling bad guys. The incongruence between the books’ message and Rowling’s position is as astounding as Mel Gibson’s anti-Semitism vis a vis having made the Lethal Weapon 2 and its antiracist theme.
She definitely believes that it’s a noble cause. That’s the whole foundation of the TERF ideology; they think the existence of trans people is a direct affront to cis women and traditional feminism (2nd wave in particular).
For real. If I had her money you’d never hear from me again.But the thing about rich people is that they get the idea that they’re rich because they’re better and smarter than everyone else, and that they are doing the world a favor by sharing their wisdom.Also, to be fair, it’s common in the internet age anyway, for everyone to think their opinion matters and needs to be said out loud.
Yeah, but at the point that your winning public persona is being demolished and your worldwide popularity (if not outright idolatry) is tumbling because you simply won’t quit with this stuff, it’s gotten awful weird. Bringing it up again and again and again is so counter-productive for her it seems like some kind of psychosis by now. As much as I disagree with her, she can still 100% believe what she believes. But fuck, arrogantly carrying the banner like this is way beyond a bad look. It’s a losing proposition! Keep it in the living room, at the very least. Does she really think she’s changing anybody else’s mind when she goes on about it for the umpteenth time??
Zealotry is its own reward.
That could be said for all activists. She truly believes in her cause. Why should she “shut the fuck up”?
Transphobia is apparently a hell of a drug. Once people start on it, it becomes their entire fuckin’ life.
I think it’s that, for them, gender is literally everything. There is nothing else. If there’s one thing that has been universally accepted, to them, it’s that there are men and there are women, every person is one or the other. Period. It’s the foundation of reality. For them.
In some ways it reminds me of people insisting “Pluto is a planet!” There’s an element of “you can’t know better than me.” and/or “What I’ve accepted as basic fact all my life can’t be wrong” And then when challenged on an issue that they really think they’re right on, they dig in. Not necessarily cause they care about the astronomy or gender things.
She has to convince herself she’s the leader of some righteous cause and can’t let up. Otherwise she’d have to acknowledge what a shitty person she’s become and she’ll do anything to avoid that
She’s not doing this for herself, nitwit.She could just sit back and roll around in her billions but, instead, she is bravely speaking for females.
I can’t believe we haven’t yet gotten an SNL sketch about how the books feature multiple scenes of boys sneaking into a girls’ bathroom to take a shape-changing potion.
I think in all honesty that’s because JK Rowling is not that famous a person. Like, other than Stephen King, there are no truly famous authors anymore. She wrote some books kids liked 20 years ago, and now she’s weird and hateful on the Internet, and I just don’t think she’s on the majority of Americans’ cultural radar. (Harry Potter obviously is, but how many Americans could accurately identify the author?)
The most recent episode of SNL featured sketches based around Beavis and Butthead and Erin Brockovich, so HP most certainly is not too outdated for them to tackle.
I’m not trying to defend JK Rowling here but… I think she’s very well known. I’m assuming anyone whose read the book can name her as the author… I would argue she’s more famous than Stephan King. She wrote books for kids that immediately makes her more famous than King.
A lot of them.
You are so unbelievably unfunny.
Shut up tubbo
It’s like Orson Scott Card. The man has done a total 180 from who he was when he wrote Speaker for the Dead – an incredible book about learning to love and see the humanity in the Other… and now he’s a rampant homophobe and Islamophobe.It’s kind of baffling how these authors write so much about the value of human empathy…and then don’t espouse those same ideals themselves.
He’s not dead yet? Huh. I swore I had read his obituary. Oh well.
Mormon upbringing is a motherfucker
Ender’s Game and Speaker for the Dead had so much influence on my young life it hurts me that Card has become such an asshole
OSC is a different case. If you read his articles and essays in conjunction with his fiction, you will wind up with the picture of a lifelong Mormon who hates himself for being gay. This is a man who has stated unironically that if men weren’t forced to marry women, they’d all be having much more pleasurable sex with other men obviously which is why it’s bad to encourage gay people because the human race will die out.He’s a rich asshole who has contributed to a lot of harm but a small part of me that was deeply in the closet once feels a twinge of pity for him.
“This is a man who has stated unironically that if men weren’t forced to marry women, they’d all be having much more pleasurable sex with other men obviously which is why it’s bad to encourage gay people because the human race will die out.”This is absurd. Everyone knows the real danger of allowing gay marriage is what Jeremy Irons warned about: That fathers would all marry their sons to cheat on their taxes, because it’s not incest between two guys.(He later walked that back, possibly because someone read his words back to him while he was sober)
I haven’t read his essays and such, but being an ex-Mormon myself (grew up in it) the impression I get is that he was way less Mormon when he wrote books like Ender’s Game and SftD, and then went all in later in life.
I tell you something – I get very homophobic vibes out of his first books, even that wonderful psychotic piece of violence and art that is “Songmaster”. I definitely can love some of the OSC books, but mostly when he is sincere with himself.
Yah I knew this guy in like his 60s and everyone knew he was gay and he himself would joke about it off-cuff but due to him being a devout catholic he just decided he wouldnt have a romantic partner in his life. It’s genuinely sad.
“However, of the general phenomenon that pit the actors against the author, he observes, “There’s a version of ‘Are these three kids ungrateful brats?’ that people have always wanted to write, and they were finally able to. So, good for them, I guess.””That’s a fantastic retort. It continues to be heartening to see him (and Watson and Grint) be better people and flourish beyond HP.
Guy who was about to write “These Three Kids Are Ungrateful Brats” upon hearing this: Well now you’ve taken the fun out of it.
How almost unbelievably mature of Radcliffe. Good on him.
It feels like audiences have moved past this franchise and the only reason it gets mentioned anymore is when clickbait media wants a piece on Rowling’s awfulness.
“It feels like audiences have moved past this franchise and the only reason it gets mentioned anymore is when clickbait media wants a piece on Rowling’s awfulness.”I feel like I hear this a lot from adults who were never fans of the books, but as someone who’s spent the past several years teaching 4th-6th grade, I can confirm that it’s very much wishful thinking.
I’ve never been an HP fan it just always seemed juvenile to me. I loved the SW prequals growing up but I just couldn’t take Hogwarts seriously. Idk. I don’t get it. The IP just feels juvenile to me.
You’re cosmicghostrider, aren’t you?
I guess I was going by how the last few spinoff movies have been less than successful.
That’s certainly reasonable; the larger IP mine certainly seems to be in its diminishing-returns stage. The original series definitely has a continued life of its own, though, and I’d say is pretty firmly in the “timeless with the target audience” category.
I can see that. If a series means a lot to you as a young person it might be tough to totally cut ties with it after the creator develops an obsession with a specific part of the population, like I wouldn’t stop enjoying old Star Wars if George Lucas started ranting about how deaf people make him uncomfortable because he doesn’t speak sign language.
You clearly haven’t been to Universal Studios either coast in sometime time. Harry Potter land is huge and selling tons of merch.
Last year I retook some grade 12 classes as an adult. And I had this english teacher who was kind of an idiot. Very afraid that AI would take his job etc. he has a daughter who loves HP and therefore he refuses to acknowledge her anti-trans views as negative, so far that I actually think he might be anti-trans. All because his daughter likes the book. That… scares me.
You’re basing this on the Fantastic Beasts thing. The original franchise is still very healthy and likely always will be.
Good on Dan, Emma and Rupert for continuously supporting LGBTQ+🏳️🌈 community. Rowling is so far gone at this point.
Whichever Idiot: “Didn’t read. Now then, HoGwArTs LeGaCy…”
Everyone in these comments just completely fails to realize that the vast majority of people agree with Rowlings. Men can’t be women and vice versa. Not that difficult of a concept to understand
lol nooo I think you’re wrong but cool story bro
What part do you think is “wrong”? No part of that was a “story” sport. Men can’t be women. Women can’t be men. Chromosomes matter more than your feelings champ
no, we’re quite aware that many people agree with JK. thats why the people who think that are being progressive while agreeing with her is hilarious.
vast majority of medical professionals disagree with her trans women are women.
The vast majority of medical professionals CERTAINLY DO NOT think men can be women. LOL, a few quacks, sure. The vast majority, that’s just fantasy land BS. Chromosomes matter sport.
Your life isn’t worth living
Comments need to be approved on AV club now?! Worried about the horror of having to see opposing view points? Is this site nothing more than a liberal child echo chamber at this point?
cry harder
It was never another way comments always needed to be approved. You sound like someone whose comments get deleted a lot rofl
GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY SPACE
HAHAHAHAHA triggered little insulated liberal child. A public website is not your “space”. What a hilariously petulant statement to make.
ACTUALLY GET THE FUCK OFF AV CLUB
havent been here a while huh?
Comments have had to be approved for 5 years where have you been.
How far the AV Club has fallen. Post a review on the finale of the most popular show on TV, Shogun, get 4 comments. Post an article on the left dog whistle JK Rowling and all the little activists come running to comment. Truly epic fall
then go to another website and live your best life
Shogan is not the most popular show on tv currently thats fallout. Shows on hulu do not get that much traction. Besides any story about celebrities gets more views and attention than tv show reviews thats just how the current market is.
Then die
lol look at the little lib getting triggered over facts.
Has it really only been since 2020 that J.K. came out as a transphobe? It seems like a lifetime…
My trans nephew was a huge Harry Potter fan growing up. Going to conventions, dressing up, buying wands, etc, etc. Talk about crushed. It just seems so needless.
Harry Potter had a HUGE LGBT following. In the early 90’s when queer themes in kids books were forbidden, a lot of kids took solace in the metaphorical power of a story where a kid who literally lives inside a closet gets to come out and experience a whole magical world far away from his restrictive family.Obviously Rowling never intended that metaphor, but it still shows an incredible amount of cruelty that she’s now famous for stabbing the kids who made her rich in the back.
It’s May 1st, 2024 at 5:33 PM and transphobia is still not a real thing. Men still cannot give birth. Have a good rest of your week, everyone.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24313430/
A lot of women can’t give birth, either. Are they not real women? Transphobia is very real. You exemplify it. You’re totally scared of a concept that you don’t understand. Which brings up a good question. Someone as dumb as you are obviously can’t comprehend much of the modern world. How do you even leave the house? Or don’t you?
“A lot of women can’t give birth, either. Are they not real women?”
A typical trait of a human female is that she has a uterus and can bear children. Human females that because of some condition don’t have this trait are still women. On the other hand, a human male cannot ever possibly bear children, and therefore is not ever a woman. Glad I could help.
Since we’re asking questions, answer this one Jonny Boy: If genitalia does not define gender, why do trans people alter their genitals to “affirm” it? If a vagina is not a core aspect of being a woman, a trans woman should not ever need “gender affirming care” to construct what they think passes for a vagina but is actually just a disgusting wound in their crotch. So why do they do it?The only people scared of trans people are the women who have been forced to share their spaces with predatory men who seek to bully and harass them. The rest of us just find them hilarious.
“Someone as dumb as you are obviously can’t comprehend much of the modern world”
I’m not the one who thinks women have hairy balls, Jonny Boy.
Someone please punch this person
I’ve never encountered someone this stupid before wow
Are you this sexually insecure that you needed to say this?
Can I call a ban to people who reply with ad hominems like “groomers”? They are going to make this hell until there are no comments anymore, like it happened to kotaku.
Jesus, dude. There’s something really wrong with you. Your comments reek of fear and insecurity. Women are not scared of trans people. It’s men who are. Men who know they’re a loser who have decided to focus on a marginalized group in a desperate attempt to make themselves feel better about their own pathetic lives. No one likes you, dude. Get over it.
Hey Jonny Boy I noticed in your response that you dodged this:
“Since we’re asking questions, answer this one Jonny Boy: If genitalia does not define gender, why do trans people alter their genitals to “affirm” it? If a vagina is not a core aspect of being a woman, a trans woman should not ever need “gender affirming care” to construct what they think passes for a vagina but is actually just a disgusting wound in their crotch. So why do they do it?”
Please answer, thx
did you now a haircut and manicure are forms of gender affirming care?
And why is that? Your outward appearance is not linked to your gender right? Why would a male need to change their appearance to appear more “traditionally female” if female and woman are not the same thing?
did you know there isnt one end all be all way to be a man or woman even for cis people? or did you think there are?
The way to be a man is to be a biological male. Typically having a penis, but sometimes not through freak occurrences which still do not change the nature of what a man is.. The way to be a woman is to be born a human female, typically with a uterus and a vagina, though sometimes not through freak occurrences which still do not change the nature of what a woman is.
Oddly enough there have been exactly zero instances of a woman being born as a human male, or or a man being born as a human female.
ah so youre aware biologically some people arent born man or a women and you’re ignoring when that happens to support your beliefs. thank you for clarifying
Is a human born with 6 fingers a different species? No. They’re a human with a genetic defect.
Likewise, a woman born without the ability to have kids is not something other than a woman. A man born without a penis would still be a man. A person born with both sex organs is also a genetic fluke. They do not change the nature of what it means to be a woman or man. Which are the only things they can be. No surgery or hair style changes that.
Of course, you already know all of this deep down, and that your ideology makes no logical sense whatsoever. This is just your way of acting out against “the norms” of society.
Some have that surgery, some don’t. It depends on the individual’s gender dysphoria which is a painful medical condition. Surgery helps some patients deal with the pain, but not all. They don’t “need it” the way you’re thinking about it to affirm their gender. They need it to deal with the very real medical condition of gender dysphoria. Just like how many medical conditions sometimes, but not always, require surgery. Why do you care so much? Why not ask someone with gender dysphoria? Is that too intimidating for a scared little boy like you?
“They need it to deal with the very real medical condition of gender dysphoria”
But why do they need it? If gender has nothing to do with outward appearance, or your genitals, what is causing the dysphoria? Literally any body you are in would match your gender if gender does not have anything to do with physical traits such as what’s between your legs.
The “dysphoria” you are claiming is literally not possible by your own definition of gender. If gender is a societal construct, then there is no such thing as a woman’s body or a man’s body. And therefore, you cannot have a mismatch between your birth gender and the gender you supposedly “feel.” In fact the very nature of “feeling” as a gender is impossible by your definition. There’s no “womanly” way to feel, because anyone anywhere can be a woman according to your nonsense.Your “logic” makes absolutely no sense, and you can’t give a straight and clear answer to this question.
“Is that too intimidating for a scared little boy like you?”
Jonny Boy I know the idea of scared little boys gets you all hot and bothered, but try to calm down and stay on topic.
I never gave you my definition of gender. Why are you putting words in my mouth? Gender is more than just your physical self. For some, the physical body and genitalia is very important. And there is a lot of pain associated with the physical body not conforming to the inner self. For others, the body is not important at all. Human beings are varied. There is no one definition that applies to everyone. Gender is complicated and doctors and scientists have only recently caught up to that fact. But, people have known it for a very long time. It’s a combination of things, societal constructs, genitalia, hormones, etc. are just parts of it, but not everything. I know that’s a lot for a feeble mind like yours to wrap itself around. But, have the person who reads and types these comments for you look up some articles and studies on the subject to read to you. Or, speak to some actual trans folks. You may want to wear a diaper because you’ll probably wet yourself, but I bet you’ll get through it.Again, don’t project your twisted desires onto me.
“And there is a lot of pain associated with the physical body not conforming to the inner self”
I know you’re intentionally ignoring it because you can’t actually answer the question, but just for the sake of any intelligent person who may read all this I’ll say it again: If gender is as malleable and ambiguous as your side likes to claim it is (and like you do in the rest of your nonsensical comment here), then there’s no such thing as “physical body not conforming to the inner self.” Because by your own definition there is nothing to conform to. There are no “womanly” traits and “manly” traits, we’re all just making it up as we go along.
Your ideology is nonsense, the whole world knows it, and that’s why people still love JK Rowling. Cus she says what they think, out loud. 🙂
“Or, speak to some actual trans folks. You may want to wear a diaper because you’ll probably wet yourself”
Jonny Boy I really don’t need to know about another one of your bizarre kinks. I guess piss play is fine as long as you don’t involve any children or unwilling women. But then again all women are unwilling when it comes to you, aren’t they? That’s why you types have to start wearing dresses and makeup and calling yourselves Dorene so you can watch those poor women undress.
Are being willfully ignorant or are you literally the dumbest motherfucker alive? You’re obsessed with kinks why? No one is disgusting enough to satisfy yours? How many times a day do people smack you in your fucking mouth?
LMAO. You sound like you’re getting a little mad there Jonny Boy. Frustrated that you can’t answer the question because your logic makes no sense? That your side lost, and that you’re part of a shrinking minority of loons? I understand.“No one is disgusting enough to satisfy yours?”
I’m not the one preying on children and real women. You gotta stop with this projection stuff.
“How many times a day do people smack you in your fucking mouth?”
About as many times as a real biological woman has shown interest in you in your life, Jonny Boy. It’s okay though, maybe you can convince one of those weirdo pervy men in a dress that you love so much to give you a handy or something.
I’d LOVE to see you try some time though, lol. I can just picture you in my head right now, pasty and flabby little twerp with a beard and glasses, fantasizing about “smacking me in the fucking mouth.” You couldn’t bust a grape in a fruit fight and we both know it, lmao.
I answered the question which barely made sense to begin with. Everyone is different. Everyone wants their body to reflect their inner selves. You can do this with surgery, fashion, makeup, anything. And, do you not understand what fluidity means? I know your vocabulary is limited, but it’s easy to look shit up.I’m not projecting. I can tell what you’re like. You’re a weird, disgusting pig obsessed with other people’s fetishes because you’re too scared to act on your own. Because they’re probably really fucked up. The self-loathing is apparent. You wouldn’t be the first bigot whose teeth I knocked out, but you might be the first who welcomes it. Did mom and dad tell you you’re a worthless shit so much now you crave abuse? LGBTQIA+ rights are here. It’s what the majority of people are in favor of and you know it which is why you sound like such a desperate asshole. You’ve lost. LGBTQIA+ people are out everywhere. They’re now in media, in the government, in aspects of life they were wrongfully excluded from for years. But not forever. Like I said, historically they’ve been accepted. Then garbage humans like yourself were briefly in power, but your time has come and gone. And you’re such a fucking pussy, the internet is the only place you feel safe expressing yourself.
Hey Jonny, remember when you said that thing about how you weren’t expending as much energy, cus you weren’t writing really long responses to me? LOL.
“You wouldn’t be the first bigot whose teeth I knocked out”
LMAO. Oh buddy. If I were a bigot, which I’m not because trans people are not actually an oppressed or marginalized group in anyway, I would be under no threat from you. You’ve never been in a fight in your sheltered life, and we both know this. You fantasize about inflicting violence on people you hate, but you’d never have the balls to actually do it. The only people you’d have the guts to be violent toward are the women who refuse to bend the knee to your perverted attempts to force your way into their spaces, weirdo.“The self-loathing is apparent.”Jonny, surely even someone as stupid as you can appreciate the tremendous irony of you trying to tell me I loathe myself, while you defend a group of weirdos so steeped in self-loathing that they’re literally trying (and failing) to change genders? Lmao.“LGBTQIA+ rights are here. It’s what the majority of people are in favor of and you know it which is why you sound like such a desperate asshole. You’ve lost. LGBTQIA+ people are out everywhere. They’re now in media, in the government, in aspects of life they were wrongfully excluded from for years. But not forever. Like I said, historically they’ve been accepted. Then garbage humans like yourself were briefly in power, but your time has come and gone. And you’re such a fucking pussy, the internet is the only place you feel safe expressing yourself.”
Lol, the pure cope. First off, trans people don’t just get thrown in with the rest of the normal LGB people. Those are real marginalized groups. Men who decide they are women are not. They’re creeps, and the public knows this, which as the polls and the revised policies of health organizations, sports governing bodies and the like will continue to move in the direction of rejecting them. Why they are not accepted and never will be. And that’s a victory for all of us who don’t want you pervs and groomers near our kids, or forcing yourselves on women.
You lost. We won. 🙂 That’s why with every new post you get even angrier and angrier, and more aggressive. Cause you know I already won and that there’s nothing you can do about it, except be a mad little boy, upset that he didn’t get his way and the women didn’t let him and his creepy friends force their way into their spaces. You didn’t get your way. How does that make you feel Jonny Boy?
I was bullied in high school for being Jewish and punched Stevie Gray in the mouth so hard it knocked one of his incisors out. Ripped up my knuckle, too, but it was worth it. Your bigotry is worse because you claim to be an adult even if your attitude and vocabulary say otherwise. Trans people are one of the most marginalized groups today. You saying they’re not doesn’t make it untrue. And the majority of people agree. Again, you wishing that weren’t true doesn’t make it so. You and people like you are the losers, asshole. You’ll never win and I am pleased to know that is a fact.
Oh man, you sound so fucking badass. What happened next? Did everyone applaud? The teacher’s name? Albert Einstein.
Lol.
“Trans people are one of the most marginalized groups today”
Men who dress like women and “act like” women (who they’ve never been near intimately in their life, and therefore don’t understand at all) are not a marginalized group. Quite the contrary, they’re entitled assholes who think women should be forced to allow them into their spaces. Fortunately, it’s no longer working, no matter how much you wish it was, because real women like JK Rowling and her countless feminist supporters who have shown out in great numbers in the UK recently to protest, have too much courage to be bullied by a bunch of pervs. Too bad, so sad Jonny Boy. Guess you’ll have to find a new strategy for forcing your way into women’s lives, aside from trying to impress them with your stories about fake fights that is.
It’s a true story. I don’t need to make shit up like I have a “wife and kid.”They’re entitled, but they hate themselves? If they’re a minority that everyone hates what are you so worried about? Why the freak out? Because you know you’re wrong? A small number of old British bags protesting mean you’ve “won?” You’re such an idiot. Republican senators is Kansas just voted to uphold trans rights. Fucking Kansas. That’s when you know you’re on the losing side, little guy. I know you’re insecure and think here’s the one group of people lower than you. But you’re wrong. You’re the asshole. They’re the ones who are courageous. You just sound like a pathetic, obsessed, gross little brat.
Lol, I love how angry it makes you that you loathe me and consider me a plague on humanity, and yet I was able to start a happy family while you toil away jerking off to tranny porn in your dirty apartment every day. You hate it so much, that you have to cope by telling me it’s not real. Seems like denying reality is a theme with you guys, eh? I guess this is what happens when you spend your life being an “ally” to a bunch of pervs.
“They’re entitled, but they hate themselves”
I take it you somehow think this is a contradiction? It definitely is not. Entitled bullies often secretly hate themselves. But why am I telling you something you most definitely know from firsthand experience?
“A small number of old British bags protesting mean you’ve “won?”
No, the NHS reversing course on its policies for treating minors with “gender dysphoria” nonsense because of those “old British bags” (who possess more courage in their pinky finger than you ever would in your unkempt bearded, likely overweight body) means we’ve won. And it’s only the beginning. You know how I know we’re winning? Because every day someone like you is screaming bloody murder online about creepy men losing their right to impose their perversions on other people. That’s the funny part. You cry and cry and cry about how hard trans people have it, and yet you turn around and try to pretend that everyone is on their side. You know they aren’t, and it drives you nuts.
“Republican senators is Kansas just voted to uphold trans rights. Fucking Kansas. That’s when you know you’re on the losing side, little guy.”
Haha. I love how your slam dunk example of trans rights winning out is that a someone came two votes short of two-thirds majority to ban gender-affirming care of minors. Unfortunately for you, as always, I’m more informed than you are. The only reason they even fell short is because Republicans were hesitant to back it for political reasons not related to trans rights at all. That fight isn’t over, and they will end up passing a similar bill in the end. I’ll be sure to come back and laugh at you some more when they do, creep.
And meanwhile, as we’ve already gone over, in Britain (which is far more lefty than “fucking Kansas’), you’ve already lost a major fight and are gearing up to lose even more ground. L after L after L for the men in dresses.“You’re the asshole. They’re the ones who are courageous.”
Lol. Yeah, nothing more courageous than a bunch of pervert men trying to force their way into bathrooms with terrified little girls. We should put the medal of honor on you creeps.
You’re fucked in the head, dude. I would say I hope you’re getting therapy, but I think it’s better if you continue to disappear into your misery over what a pathetic piece of shit you are. It’s obvious you have mental issues. Kansas voted for a Democratic senator that supports trans rights. The two Republican senators that voted to support the veto plainly said that people should decide themselves what they can do when it comes to their bodies. That’s all that needs to be said. The “political reasons” were that most people support that position even in a place as conservative as Kansas. Same goes for the UK where more people have marched for trans rights than against. The NHS is behind the times, knows it, and will come around when it comes to gender affirming care for minors. You’ll see. People who self-loathe don’t feel entitled to anything. Which is why your statement, like everything else you get your helper to type for you, is moronic. Are you from the U.K.? Is that why you like talking about British policies? That says a lot.Trans people are not creeps. They don’t groom, force their way into bathrooms, or antagonize women. These are things you fantasize about doing yourself. Don’t project onto a marginalized group. You are not marginalized. That’s not how we refer to little brats. Sorry, tiny boy. Now, take your hands off of what’s left of your dick and turn the computer off. No one is interested in anything you have to say anymore.
“The NHS is behind the times, knows it, and will come around when it comes to gender affirming care for minors. You’ll see.”
Lmao, thank you, this made me laugh out loud after a hectic day. The NHS is “behind the times and knows it”? Uh, try again Jonny Boy. More like they just studied a bunch of data, and realizes that the policies you creeps are in favor of have been actively harming kids, and reversed course on them. You creeps lost, people got wise to your act. Picturing you sitting there coping about taking so many Ls, and going “you’ll see! we’ll show ‘you!!!” Even knowing you’ve already lost the fight. It makes me so happy.“Trans people are not creeps. They don’t groom, force their way into bathrooms, or antagonize women”
Oh you’re so right on that Jonny Boy. Here’s another beautiful story of one of these trans “women” just wanting to live their life and express themselves.
“Sorry, tiny boy. Now, take your hands off of what’s left of your dick and turn the computer off. No one is interested in anything you have to say anymore.”
Again, Jonny Boy, I know thinking about tiny boys touching their dicks gets you and your favorite pervert men in dresses super excited, but I really don’t need to hear about it. We’ve been over this. The world doesn’t want to know about your disgusting perversions and the things you wish you could do to women and children if society wasn’t putting laws in place to stop you.
And you seem quite interested in what I have to say, and in entertaining me. Now dance more for me, little monkey.
Pro-transgender do not “actively harm kids.” Studies have shown this. If you were smart enough, you could look that up. And one case of assault does not prove anything. Transgender people are disproportionately sexually assaulted more than other groups, but do not perpetrate any more than any other group. They may even do it less. This time I’ll help you you poor idiot.https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2792857?utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_term=060222
So true Jonny Boy, surely there aren’t plenty of other examples of this happening in women’s private spaces with other trans “women” aka men swearing skirts and dresses. https://apnews.com/article/loudoun-virginia-lawsuit-transgender-bathroom-sexual-assault-a26168568cc20c2aa6cec9bef50e7c3f
Nice try, creep. But it doesn’t work anymore. Nobody’s afraid to call you pervs on your bullshit, thanks to people like extraordinarily popular author JK Rowling, who remains very well-liked among the general public much to the chagrin of you and other groomers, sticking up for what is right.
Let me help you out, idiot. Men are disproportionately violent and predatory towards women. They commit the extreme majority of sexual crimes in the world today. Guess what trans “women” are? Men. They don’t magically become not men, just because they say so. Hence, men (which again, trans “women” are) in real women’s spaces = dangerous. That’s why we need to keep you creeps out, and why we will. No matter how much you scream and cry and throw fits about it.
Pervert. 🙂
Listen, I know you’re a weirdo and pretty dangerous to the women you come into contact with. That’s obvious from the way you love to talk about sexual assault. But, trans women are no more dangerous than anyone else. That’s been proven. So, again, don’t project your predilections onto others. Also, by your logic, all men should be kept away from women. Which might not be a bad idea all in all, but would be logistically impossible, shit for brains.
“Listen, I know you’re a weirdo and pretty dangerous to the women you come into contact with.”
More projection Jonny Boy. Remember, I’m not the one trying to normalize men going into women’s spaces and forcing their presence on them in vulnerable situations. Nor am I the one who is so lonely and desperate for contact with a woman, that I settle for pretending men are women. That’s you who wants women to have no escape from you and other pervs. No matter how much you try to misdirect, I’m happy to keep reminding you of that, creep.
“But, trans women are no more dangerous than anyone else. That’s been proven.”
Nope. Trans women are men, which means they are as dangerous to women as men are. And men are extraordinarily more dangerous to women than other (real) women are. That’s why women wanted women-only spaces to begin with, remember idiot?“Which might not be a bad idea all in all”
I like how you acknowledge this, because you recognize that men (which trans women are and always will be) are in fact more dangerous. It’s an acknowledgment that underneath your thin veil of pretending to be concerned for those “vulnerable” trans people, you understand that you are increasing the likelihood that women are gonna be assaulted or killed by men in dresses. And you just simply do not care, at all. Which makes sense, being that you are a misogynist trying to hide behind LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ rights crusades.
“but would be logistically impossible, shit for brains.”
Really, cus it seemed to be totally possible and like it was working fine, until somewhat recently when you perverts decided that your latest crusade was to be in women’s bathrooms and locker rooms. I wonder how long it is until you creeps openly start campaigning for being able to date children. The drag shows seemed like a step in that direction.
“No you’re the one who is projecting” is not an argument or intelligent comeback, but what a child would say.I know you have trouble reading because you’re a moron, but my comment was clear. “…by your logic, all men should be kept away from women. Which might not be a bad idea all in all, but would be logistically impossible, shit for brains.” Are you saying the genders should be separated at all times? You have that much trouble getting laid you think no one should? Or are you a proponent of universal homosexuality?
Jesus, you’re dumb, lmao. No, I’m not advocating for separating men and women. I am advocating for allowing women to choose when they want to separate themselves, and to have their own spaces away from men. And not allowing pervert men in dresses to invade their spaces under the guise of “inclusion.”
And it’s not like you pervs actually care about inclusion or LGBT rights anyway. This is about one thing, you getting to control women and tell them what to do. Which another great irony, because I’m sure you’re the type of gross weirdo who parades himself around as a “male feminist” and talking about women’s right to choose, except when it comes to women’s right to get away from your creepy ass.
“You have that much trouble getting laid you think no one should”
Nice try Jonny Boy, but more projection. And saying “only kids say I’m projecting when I project” is not gonna deter me from pointing out when you do it, nice try on that one too. Remember, I’m the one with the wife and kids. You’re the weirdo alone in your bedroom jerking off to chicks with dicks and your fantasy of trapping women Louis CK style in a room with you.
I never said I wasn’t married. There is a very smart, beautiful, confident woman who shares her life with me. And I’m friends with many women who as well well trans women and men and they all get along. No one is scared of anyone else. You’re the one projecting their fears onto women. You’re the misogynist who doesn’t think women can make choices for themselves, or protect themselves, or are strong and independent. They need protection from bigots like you obsessed with “perversion.” You’re fucking disgusting. I’m not the one performing for you, you’ve been performing for me and the people, women included, who I’ve shown yours comments. They all think you’re a moron and an asshole. And you don’t have the ability to protect anyone. Especially the fantasy “wife and children” in your feeble brain. Women don’t need your help. And they don’t want it, either. They understand they have nothing to fear from the trans community. It’s people like you that use marginalized groups to distract from their own fucked up notions and desires that need to be avoided. And anyone who meets you I’m sure gets that within 5 seconds. Which is why you’re probably still a virgin and will die one. Because you don’t understand women. Or men for that matter. Or how a society works. You’re pathetic, like I keep saying.
Oof, paragraphs Johnny Boy. It’s a small change but it makes your nonsense at least somewhat readable.“There is a very smart, beautiful, confident woman who shares her life with me”If I was like you, I’d say you’re lying, but instead I will just say I feel horribly sad for whatever woman made the horrible mistake of marrying a “man” who prioritizes the rights of male predators over her. The fact that you would be comfortable with some male pervert being in a bathroom or a locker room where your own wife is undressing, means you are completely unsuitable as a husband, and she should go find someone who actually cares more about her safety than some male perverts.“You’re the one projecting their fears onto women”
No, Jonny Boy, you’re just ignoring the women with concerns, because you don’t care about them. Here’s another woman (real woman) explaining her experience with puberty blockers and how they almost permanently ruined her life and ability to have relationships. But again, you don’t care. Children and young women are cannon fodder in your quest to be the “biggest ally” to other creepy and gross men like yourself. “I’m not the one performing for you, you’ve been performing for me and the people, women included, who I’ve shown yours comments. They all think you’re a moron and an asshole.”
Lmao, thank you for this, I got a good laugh. Assuming you’re not lying, the idea of you showing my comments to women and being like “he’s mean, right? You guys don’t really think like this do you???” seeking their approval, and not knowing that secretly, yes, they think you’re pathetic and weird. But they don’t have the heart to tell you that they don’t actually consider creepy dudes wearing dresses to be actual women. That’s good stuff.“Women don’t need your help. And they don’t want it, either.”
Wrong, Jonny Boy. There are women crying out for help, like the one I sent above. You just plug your ears and ignore it, because you’re not interested in actually helping REAL women. You’re only interested in helping creeps get power over real women. Because you think like a predator, and are a creep. “Which is why you’re probably still a virgin and will die one. Because you don’t understand women.”
Lmao, thank you, another good laugh. It’s so endlessly amusing how you “male ally” types think that you’re actually “understanding” or impressing women with your antics. Women are repulsed by you. And yes, whether they feel safe enough to tell you it or not, they see your prioritizing of male creeps rights’ over theirs, and make note of it. But you really did cut me deep. I just don’t know how I’m going to tell my two children that their father is going to die a virgin. It’s tragic.
I forgot your reading level is infantile like your maturity. Do you only like books with pictures? My wife feels the same about trans rights as I do. because she’s not an asshole. And she knows there’s nothing to fear. She’s confident. You are so insecure about your own deep flaws that you, yes, have to fantasize about being married with children at 24. What is behind behind that fantasy? What do you want to do to a wife and kids you disgusting twisted moron? Your obsessions are very telling. And you’re going to come back with, “no you’re twisted and obsessed” since you’re a fucking baby.Showing individual examples out of context you think support your abhorrent point of view is meaningless. Why are you so dumb? There are outliers and exceptions to everything.I actually like and respect women. Because they’re human beings. Just like trans people. You only see the things you can’t understand and react because you’re broken. You have no empathy and I can tell can’t make emotional connections. You can only call everyone a pervert because you’re embarrassed about your own desires. You can find help for these things, but I hope you don’t. You deserve the suffering and ostracization I know you experience.
“I forgot your reading level is infantile like your maturity. Do you only like books with pictures”
Yeah, no, dummy, paragraphs are not something that only children use. It’s not my fault you write like a moron when you’re flustered from someone calling you on being a weird perv. “My wife feels the same about trans rights as I do. because she’s not an asshole. And she knows there’s nothing to fear.” Maybe she is as misguided as you, or maybe like a lot of people she’s afraid to acknowledge out in the open what reality is; that men are men and women are women, and a man who says he’s a woman is still never a woman. People have been afraid to say this out in the open because of consequences, but thankfully women like JK Rowling, who possesses more courage in a single hair follicle than you could ever dream of having altogether, are changing that by shouting it from the rooftops. And Scottish police were forced to bend the knee and acknowledge she has a right to do, despite their oppressive laws. One more victory for the good guys.“You are so insecure about your own deep flaws that you, yes, have to fantasize about being married with children at 24. What is behind behind that fantasy? What do you want to do to a wife and kids you disgusting twisted moron? Your obsessions are very telling. And you’re going to come back with, “no you’re twisted and obsessed” since you’re a fucking baby.”Oof, you continually top yourself with the projections buddy. Now I am actually convinced that your wife is fake, because the fact that you keep accusing me of doing that tells me that it’s something that’s on your mind. And please, don’t push your desire to harm kids onto me either. You calling anyone a baby is pretty hilarious too, lol. You react to things purely out of emotion. You types are totally incapable of discussing anything without flying off the handle in a rage, talking about how you’ll be violent toward me if you ever had the chance (even though you’re a weakling and a coward who has never been in a fight, and could do nothing to me or anyone else). “I actually like and respect women. Because they’re human beings.”No you don’t. You want to control them, and force them into uncomfortable situations, and take away their rights. You’ve just found a way to do so that is socially acceptable among your circle of losers and degenerates, which is the silly “trans rights” movement. You found a way to hate women while parading yourself around as such a good guy. But the jig is up. You lost. And I’m enjoying watching you scream and cry about it.“You deserve the suffering and ostracization I know you experience.”
You mean, that you WISH I experienced. The fact that I love myself, my life and my family drives you insane. You want me to be a pathetic, likely-on-SSRIs loser like you are. You terminally online ultra-lefty “activist” types are all the same. You all take pills to cope with your shitty existence, go to therapy that leads nowhere, etc. You hate your life, and that’s why you attach yourself to these bullshit causes, because you think making yourself a part of something bigger than you will fill the void. But it won’t. You still end up hating yourself. Tragic.
“You mean, that you WISH I experienced. The fact that I love myself, my life and my family drives you insane. You want me to be a pathetic, likely-on-SSRIs loser like you are. You terminally online ultra-lefty “activist” types are all the same. You all take pills to cope with your shitty existence, go to therapy that leads nowhere, etc. You hate your life, and that’s why you attach yourself to these bullshit causes, because you think making yourself a part of something bigger than you will fill the void. But it won’t. You still end up hating yourself. Tragic.”Haha. This is such gobbledygook, you idiot. You’re protesting a little hard here. Sounds like I hit pretty close to the mark. You are pathetic, little guy. Here’s hoping your noxious fantasy universe collapses upon you soon.
Yeah, I know you’re hoping for a lot Jonny Boy. But I will go on continuing to enjoy my life, while you continue to be a miserable dork inventing a persona as a total badass who breaks people’s faces when they don’t agree that perverts in dresses during to be treated like real women. It’s hilarious that you go to the “protesting a little hard” and “fantasy universe” well. You brought that up first, which makes it plainly obvious that you were projecting it onto me. Which makes this whole thing way funnier to me. Picturing sad lonely Jonathan Eisen fantasizing about having a wife who would cosign all of his bullshit, lmao.
Uh huh. Right. “He who smelt it, dealt it.” Another mature argument from the angry little boy. I may be mad at you, but you’re mad at the world. Because it continues to drift away from your beliefs and values. Good. Stay angry until it kills you. I’m not mad at the world because it is conforming to what I believe in. I have no reason to live in a made up fantasy. You do. Because no one likes you. People who hate (i.e. you) are the hated. They always will be.
Lol. Oh Johnny Boy. You can try to paint yourself as this hero fighting for the “marginazlied groups”, but the fact remains that men in dresses are not marginalized, never were, and never will be.And you can stay in denial if you want. But the tide has turned. Nobody’s afraid to call you on your bullshit anymore, and the general public does not view trans people as the next frontier for civil rights. They view them as a bunch of weirdos, which they are. BTW keep an eye out for the NCAA announcing a ban on trans athletes. The NAIA did it last month, and a little birdie who is associated with the NCAA tells me they are ironing out the details to follow suit. It’s beautiful. Another domino falls. :)You are full of hatred. You know this. Your target is women. REAL women. Thank god though for brave, beautiful, strong women like Riley Gaines who are not afraid to stand up to perverts and bullies like you. Oh and I love you crying about my “immature” arguments and then you literally end your post with “nobody likes you.” Oh my gosh, ouch dude. What’s next, are you gonna tell me that I smell bad? Or I have cooties? Any other grade school classics you’re gonna fire my way? Lmao
Hey Johnny Boy, just checking in. Great news today as mediocre male athlete “Lia” Thomas lost his appeal and is banned from the Olympics. Yet another push in the right direction for the culture! Hell yeah, brother!!!
Another organization that is out of touch. Did you cum in your own mouth when you read the news you sick piece of fucking garbage? I always thought Orange Julius tasted like semen. Is that where your name comes from?
LOL. Boy those organizations that are “out of touch” sure are piling up, and getting more and more mainstream, huh? And international too. Almost like…most people…agree with me.Cry. Cope. Seethe.
When you talk to the actual athletes, almost none of them care. Because the governing bodies are all old out of touch assholes like you and JK Rowling. What wonderful company you keep, moron.
First off, on your first claim, complete and total bullshit. I’m sure you’ve talked to tons of athletes about this. From an SI article that was written to suck off “Lia” Thomas: “In Jan. 24, Hogshead-Makar organized a 90-minute virtual meeting to discuss legislative remedies that would prevent trans women from participating in women’s collegiate sports. More than 250 people attended the session, which Hogshead-Makar allowed SI to join on the condition that guests weren’t identified and that quotes were not attributed to anyone. These were heavy hitters within the sport: former Olympic swim champions, current and former collegiate swimmers and coaches, Penn parents, and several current members of the USA Swimming board of directors.”Swim champions and coaches meeting to discuss pushing for legislation to ban men from their sport. And notice how they specifically request anonymity? Because of exactly what I’ve said previously. Normal people have been afraid to say the truth publicly for fear of consequences. Thankfully, thanks to people like JK Rowling (who again has more courage in her left pinky finger than some creep like you could ever dream of having), that time is going away. Numerous athletes have come out publicly and said they are against men being in women’s sports. Val Whiting was the most recent one I noticed, and good for her. For every woke purple haired idiot on USA women’s soccer or in the WNBA who says they want to play with men, there are dozens more staying silent who do not want to share a shocker room with them.Which is why this idiot lost his case. Because behind closed doors when these votes happen, he will lose. He and the other creeps that follow him will never live out their dream of stealing an Olympic podium from actual women, and thank God for that. And oh yeah, the world’s most successful and beloved current author (yes, she’s still beloved among normal, sane people, and there’s plenty of polls out there that indicate this is the case among young people as well), a WNBA legend, and Olympic athletes and coaches. And the majority of every population in every country, including younger people. Such awful company. I’d be much better off keeping company with a bunch of perverts and groomers like you, lol.Speaking of which, happy pride month! Glad we could celebrate another huge L for you weirdos and your “movement.”
I worked in sports journalism for many years. Yes, I know exactly what I’m talking about. Most athletes do not care. This was true in the 1970s with Renee Richards and it’s still true today. What a pathetic loser you must be that this gets you so excited. You get to punch down on a marginalized group. wow, you’re are such a decent human being. You must really live the most boring life if this all you got, little man. Purple-haired and woke owns the world now. And clearly they own you since you can’t stand that fact and have to resort to internet comments for anyone to pay attention to you. It’s just a matter of time before trans athletes see equality. What you’re seeing is the last gasp of a dying ideology.
You worked in sports journalism for years, so that qualifies you to speak on what women athletes of today think about trans people being in their sports?“Purple-haired and woke owns the world now”As evidenced by the fact that you can’t stop losing battles. If this is what “woke owns the world” looks like, sign me up!“It’s just a matter of time before trans athletes see equality.”
They already have equality. “Lia” is totally free to go be mediocre among her follow men, and continue to lose. Except we both know he won’t qualify for the Olympics when actually put in a fair competition against other males. Sucks for him, huh?And anyway, I’m sure it’ll happen any day now. Just a few more major lost battles, public humiliations and polls that are resoundingly against your cause, and everyone will surely fall in line.I know, I know, “only old people respond to polls!” Nevermind the fact that even polls conducted specifically among young people consistently show they are against your position, and no group of normal people anywhere thinks that trans “women” should be in real women’s sports. Boy, it sure is a convenient way to explain away how no data backs up your claims, isn’t it?“You must really live the most boring life if this all you got, little man.”More projection from the groomers and creeps. Your existence is so pathetic, that you have to attach yourselves to these shitty causes to feel like you’ve accomplished something. And yet even in that regard, you just can’t stop taking L’s. Ouch.I enjoy watching you cope and seethe, and wishing for a world that will never exist. It does give me great joy to watch people like you lose, over and over again. After every defeat, screeching “they’re just out of touch!!!” My favorite enemy is one that doesn’t even know when they’ve lost.
Oh wait, almost forgot – men tucking their junk in and competing in women’s sports are not, never have been, and never will be a marginalized group. You and they are trying, and failing, to marginalize real women. And will continue to fail.:)
There are definitely some women who are afraid of trans people. Don’t let them off the hook.
>Since we’re asking questions, answer this one Jonny Boy: If genitalia does not define gender, why do trans people alter their genitals to “affirm” it?
Not all trans people alter that genitals with surgery. Many trans men don’t do bottom surgery, same goes for many trans women. not sure what your point was other than to show your making a bunch of assumptions about the trans community with zero knowledge of it.
I didn’t say all trans people alter their genitals. What I said was, some do, and you guys call it “gender-affirming care.” How is it “gender-affirming” if genitals have nothing to do with gender as you claim? Your line is always “gender isn’t sex, genitals relate to sex and not gender.” If you’d like I can go find plenty of examples of TRAs parroting this line.
So answer the question. How is genital altering surgery “gender-affirming” if genitals do not relate to gender? And if it’s not essential, then why should anyone need to help them pay for it or provide it? We can just ban those surgeries right? Surely nobody needs them, if the genitals don’t matter.
ok so since youre aware not all trans people get bottom surgery, you should understand how generalizing and asinine your question is but ill give it my best shot.
many procedure qualify as gender affirming, including hair cuts and manicures. There’s no one hair cut that makes a person more a women or a man just what the individual thinks makes them more of a man or woman. Same goes for any gender affirming surgeries. (as far as haircuts go this applies to cis people as well (actually could apply to cis people genetalia if we include circumcision but thats a whole other conversation)
i know you think youve won with your beg the question argument so you arent going to listen to anything that would contradict your belief.
your question isnt the “gotcha” you think it is. its more or less shows your ignorance on what gender affirming care means
Lol, what a bunch of absolute nonsense. “I need this procedure to remove my penis to affirm my gender, but also, a penis has nothing to do with being a man or a woman. But I definitely need the penis gone to be a woman.”
I love the way you guys pretend to possess some magical knowledge of the mental illness itself or the procedures used to treat it, and like you aren’t just pulling this all out of your asses.
It’s so strange how the “gender-affirming care” for a man trying to become a woman always happens to mean doing things that make him more stereotypically female. And how they almost always start wearing traditionally female clothing, wearing makeup etc.
The fact that you think this bullshit is fooling the majority of the population is the hilarious part. People have wised up to it, and that’s why you’ve lost so much ground and will continue to do so. Thanks for digging your own graves.
>I love the way you guys pretend to possess some magical knowledge of the mental illness itself or the procedures used to treat it, and like you aren’t just pulling this all out of your asses.
magical knowledge? you can just look up what the procedures are and what they do lol. thats you pulling shit out your ass sweetheart. try projecting less.so you do think theres only one way to be a man or woman, weird.are all these people who think that in the room with us know? or are you going to pull out have that one poll that supports your belief and think youre smart?
“are all these people who think that in the room with us know? or are you going to pull out have that one poll that supports your belief and think youre smart?”
Lol this is my other favorite tactic you dorks use. You think by saying stupid shit like “are they in the room with us now?!?!” you can paint the side of sanity as a bunch of crazies, and that people will be dumb enough to fall for it. Too bad it didn’t work. I guess you guys needed better PR so you wouldn’t end up being seen as predatory creeps by the majority of the population.
Your entire existence is pointless
a trans man who didn’t fully transition can give birth tho? Unless you’re just being a fucking idiot for fun.
How can you say transphobia doesn’t exist while writing a transphobic comment. Unless you’re implying that to you they don’t exist as people to which I say please fucking die
you seem really obsessed with this topic. you know you can just go on living your life if you dont care about trans people.
Your comment proves it’s real you stupid stupid bitch
This is about restrooms again?
I mean, I was in an airport restroom once where a man came in and went into a stall and no one cared. Not a trans person, an actual cis man.
He needed to go, that was the nearest restroom. No big deal.
If JK Rowling would have run out screaming, that’s on her. The rest of us gals are cool.
A lot cooler than most men would be if a trans woman went into their space.
As has also been pointed out before, if a man genuinely feels like going into a restroom to sexually assault someone, the sign on the door is probably not going to be the thing to stop him.
That’s what baffles me about this whole thing. It’s that it never actually happens that trans women sexually assault women in the bathroom. It’s just like name me one case where that happened.
I suppose Daniel Radcliffe’s dopey, hipster views on gender issues make J.K. Rowling sad, too.
I’m working hard these days on avoiding parasocial adoration of celebrities. Daniel Radcliffe’s just some guy, who I don’t know, and maybe he’s some kind of jerk in real life. But man, that’s a mature, thoughtful, empathetic statement from him, and I gotta respect that.
She made Harry sad! BREAK ‘ER KNEECAPS!!!
Heaven forbid a woman speak out against convicted rapists and murderers, eh? Gotta put boys with a thing for panties above the rights of actual women. With misogynist fetishists like this, who needs enemies (or violent animals)? https://terfisaslur.com/
“Vulnerable women reliant on single sex spaces.”She’s so hung up on this idea that transwomen are men who undergo surgery and hormones to they can snoop on women’s bathrooms.You would think we would see these in the real world. Suspiciously square jawed women who linger in the restroom, “accidentally” open the stall, apologize too long, and I guess then furiously masturbate? Or do they have a point scoring system like counting coup?Men who want to watch women relieve themselves find much more convenient and discreet ways to do so.
I really don’t pay attention to her rants, so I don’t know, but is that really what she’s saying? If so that is just insanely dumb. I’ve always thought it was more fearing cis men would abuse the law to creep more freely. If I, a cis dude, dress up as a woman and head off into a woman’s restroom, even if the women present feel I’m creeping they couldn’t remove me. So they won’t then be able to feel safe in that space.I don’t agree with that point of view at least partially because I don’t like the idea of allowing the possibility of a few bad actors ruin the rights of others. But I find it much more of an understandable viewpoint than the lunacy that would be believing trans people would use their rights to a restroom to attack women.
Yeah her whole thing is that trans woman are men trying to break into woman’s bathrooms. It’s absolutely insane.
And then she responds to everything being like “we as woman fought for this blah blah blah” it’s wild
What a weirdo.
No, that’s not it at all. The argument is that once you allow some males into what should be female-only spaces then there is no way to tell who is a threat. You’d know this if you actually bothered to read what she has to say about it.
Firstly fuck you. Secondly, I dare you to name one recorded incident of a trans woman threatening people in a bathroom. Go on please tell me about one instance where this happened where they were a “threat”. Ill be here all day you just need to provide me one case where this happened.
I beg of you please cite me one time this ever happened.
Can you not read? As I said, the issue is with allowing ANY males into female only spaces, however they identify.
You’re a moron
You don’t even believe that. Your comment history is just a collection of bait and trolling.
I mean it’s just an easily verifiable fact that that is what she has argued.
yes thats what we call a slippery slope argument.why do you think women cant be a threat to other women?you think a sign stops predators? if thats the case women should just carry a bathroom sign around them at all time and all assault would be over.
Ms No means No will finally become the icon she was always meant to be
No, that is not a slippery slope argument, it is an argument for safeguarding. Women can of course be a threat, but males are far more likely to be a threat. The idea of female only spaces, as I’m sure you know even as you pretend not to, is that any males who enter stick out as a threat. Once you allow some males in that safeguard is removed. To borrow a phrase, “good men stay out so bad men stand out”
no, thats slippery slope argument.youre acting like some flood gates are going to open for assaults on cis women if we allow trans women in bathrooms. what if i told you i dont care about safe spaces because anyone can enter any bathroom at any time and assault anyone. a sign isn’t going to stop them as much as you believe it magically will.
Why do you think we have female only changing rooms, rape crisis facilities etc at all?
Because straight men are a threat. But focusing on trans women as surrogate straight men misses the forest for the trees on this, and I think it’s quite willful. It seems like the argument at long last comes down to “well, we can’t stop men, but we CAN stop an exceedingly small part of the population that we’ve decided is more visible yet more insidious at the same time”. Which is the true expression of TERF cowardice. By concentrating on an exceedingly small potential problem, you get to ignore the problem you actually still have. Being a TERF is fighting the patriarchy on easy mode: stopping thousands of “women who are actually men” instead of billions of just “men”.Because lets say tomorrow you get what you want: you stopped one of the smallest populations in the world from being in female only spaces. Congrats. You did it. …You’ll still need female only spaces, because women still won’t be safe. Whose your scapegoat then? I wonder if it’ll be Muslim women, with their “regressive” beliefs? Can’t let them in, they’ll shame the good women trying to be safe! Will you become a MERF? Anything to avoid the actual problem?I don’t know, actually. Its easy for me to attack strawmen, hypotheticals on hypotheticals. It sure seems easier to beat on those already being beaten than to actually solve the overarching issues affecting us all. Doesn’t it?And to be fair, of course it is. I’m telling you the alternative to being a TERF is fight a battle that’s been going on for millennia instead of mostly the last decade. Might as well tell you to piss up a wall.But to be fair, I take this shit a little personal. See, I’ve had family and friends threatened and attacked for not just being trans, but even being simply *heard to be potentially associated* with trans people. And conversely, I have never, ever heard of any of those trans folks or allies threatening or attacking anyone. Indeed, they’ve been encouraged by the world to hide or, indeed, just go away and die. Yet you see their fear in response to lived experience as insidiousness?
Hm. Personal N of dozens, of course. How I have let my personal feelings get in the way of data that… well, still actually confirms the trends indicated by the lives of people I know, but, damn these emotions of mine! Gosh, to be as clear headed as you.
Transwomen are *men* and retain male pattern violence. The propensity for violence does not go away with hormones. There is simply no getting around this, and you are indulging in magical thinking when you believe someone changes sex.And trans activism pushes for self id, which argues there’s no need for hormones and surgery. So any regular man who claims to be a woman is a woman. It is wild that this keeps getting ignored in favor of the “no one undergoes hrt to prey on women”: 1) yes they do, it’s like you’re unwilling to acknowledge the extremity some men’s depravity can reach and 2) trans activism argues they shouldn’t have to do anything to be considered a woman other than identify as one! Please get acquainted with what you’re supporting. Good god.
They don’t have guards at the doors of public restrooms. A man doesn’t have to dress like a woman if he wants to enter one. It’s a dumbfuck argument.
Yes but if all males are excluded then women can assume that any man in there is there for nefarious reasons and act accordingly. If some males are allowed then you remove that safeguard
At one point I came across a statistic I dont know if it’s real but it sounds like it could be. It simply stated that never has it occurred that a trans person broke into a bathroom for the reasons Rowling claims
Another man (and it does seem to mostly be men) telling a woman what she should think about biological men trying to access women’s sports, safe spaces and rights that they have fought centuries for.
Eat my candy ass.
Ah man remind me of that time a trans woman sexually assaulted someone in a bathroom. I’m googling but nothing is coming up. It’s almost as if it’s just a fear in her head and therefore she’s decided to condemn an already endangered group of peoples.
So yah Im still waiting for you to name me that one time where this definitely never happened.
Imagine if I was like “I don’t want Black people sharing a bathroom with me”. How would that sound? Because her whole bathroom thing has zero basis in anything other than her feeling unsafe so what’s different about me being like “I don’t want Blacks using my bathroom”. Think you dumbass.
Since you appear to be unable to use Google all that well, I’ll start you off with that one time. Plenty of others out there for people with more than entry level internet search ability.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/transgender-sex-offender-who-attacked-29765751
good for you for finding one.so you think the assault woudnt have happened if they didnt allow trans women into a bathroom?
Oh wow one whole instance
Wait JK Rowling thinks those three actors owe her an apology. Imagine being so rich that you’re totally detached from reality wow.
Radcliffe is mansplaining again how “transphobic” JK Rowling is.In light of the Cass Review report, it may be time to shut the fuck up about “transphobia” and listen.
I’ve never been a HP and at one point I had a girlfriend who was obsessed with HP to an annoying degree. For some reason between social outings to the theatre etc I’ve managed to see all of the films (I think?) and I still just don’t like it…
That being said I’m a nerd about other fandoms so whenever I come across a social media post about HP when someone mentions JK Rowling being a transphobe it makes me so sad because it just turns into endless scrolling of people being like “FUCK YOU” because there are legitimate transphobes and racists who like Harry Potter and now they feel emboldened and it just results in posts where you know people are straight up crying as they type. It’s so sad.
“very concerned” transphobes are even creating profiles than then are got out of the grays by the same transphobes via upvoting with other profiles. They are gaming this system.
I am very skeptical of the Harry Potter as LGBT icon thing. I’ve found quite a few of the proponents I’ve interacted with online have a thing for House Slytherin and seem those racist, evil kids as the underdog.House Slytherin was founded for racist reasons, by a racist and has produced nothing but racists. If you are a high school kid struggling with sexuality, gender identity, body image, class issues, learning disability or any other issue, the Slytherins are the ones who would make your life miserable.
If my kid got sorted into Slytherin, he or she would be welcomed home. Long enough to pack their shit and get out forever.
Like Dilbert’s Scott Adams, she lost her damn mind. Whet the hell happened?