Judge blocks Joey Kramer's efforts to sue his way back into Aerosmith's drummer slot
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Stepping into what mustt have been the most awkward conversation held between a band and their drummer since the last time a band was forced to have a conversation with its drummer, a judge has blocked Joey Kramer’s legal efforts to force Aerosmith to let him play with them at the Grammys this weekend. Per Deadline, a Massachusetts judge ruled tonight that Aerosmith’s decision not to allow Kramer—who hasn’t performed with the group since last year, when he suffered unnamed “minor injuries”—to play when they receive an award on Sunday night does not constitute breach of contract, as he and his lawyers were asserting.
In fact, the judge essentially said what Aerosmith said in their statement yesterday: If Kramer wanted to play at the Grammys this year, he probably should have gotten all of this in place before the band was just days away from playing together on national TV. To quote: “Given that Kramer has not played with the band in 6 months and the dearth of available rehearsal time before the upcoming performances, Kramer has not shown a realistic alternative course of action sufficient to protect the band’s business interests.”
Kramer, of course, says he’s been trying, and that the band has been stopping him, up to and including forcing him to record an “audition” to return, which they then rejected for lacking “energy.”. The other members of Aerosmith, meanwhile, maintain that they would love for their bandmate of 50 years to come back into the fold—just not with zero rehearsal time ahead of a major event. They’ve also been vocal about their desire to have Kramer at the Grammys alongside them, just not performing with them on stage. (Although to be fair, they made that statement before today’s legal ruling; who knows how well the whole “suing to get back into the band thing” is going with people behind the scenes.)
Still, though, we have to say this sets a good precedent: Once suing your way into Aerosmith becomes an acceptable legal maneuver, who knows how far it’d go? Soon we’d all be hiring lawyers to score us plum spots in Boston or Steely Dan. Anarchy would reign, as lawyers then began suing themselves into the ranks of Cheap Trick or the Who. Madness in the streets! Love in an elevator! Revolution X!
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For those of us who can wear facepaint but can’t sing or play any instruments, which should we try to sue our way into: Insane Clown Posse or KISS?
KISS.
Nobody in KISS can sing anymore, so some rando off the streets isn’t going to make the performance worse.
Twisted Sister
ICP! No talent required.
Let’s sue our way into one of those Cirque du Soleil shows in Vegas! Think of the buffets!
KISS would find a way to profit off this. They’d open a class action lawsuit against themselves and next thing you know they somehow make 80 millions dollars and everyone in the US will check a check for $1.37 and a randomized facepaint pattern instruction sheet.
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Imagine a world where no one has to endure Aerosmith playing live anywhere ever again. And no religion too.
We don’t need Steven Tyler now that we’ve got someone else, in the White House no less, who thinks his own daughter is super hot.
Steven Tyler was right though!
Some might say that you’re a dreamer, but you’re not the only one.
That is sad. Black Sabbath did original drummer Bill Ward the same way.
I was hoping this worked, because maybe we could get Bun E. Carlos back into Cheap Trick and they’d be good again.
Once this whole Brexit thing is settled, I am going to sue to force Peter Hook back into New Order.
What did New Order ever do to you to warrant such punishment?
They released Music Complete
Tough, but fair.
I listened to an interview a few years ago with Peter Hook. And when asked about possibly joining New Order again, he used it as a chance to rip Pink Floyd. He is the best.
Wow, you and I have very different takes on that interaction!Did you catch Peter Hook when he was touring solo a few years back, playing Joy Division and New Order songs, but without any of the other people actually responsible for the songs? Let me just say, “LET’S FUCKING GO, SEATTLE!” does not feel like an appropriate intro to “Love Will Tear Us Apart.”
I love that he can always find something negative to focus on. He said something about how he knows he makes better music with Bernard Sumner than anybody else. Not like those guys in Pink Floyd who can’t admit they were better together. He is just so amazingly crotchety. I caught Hook on one of the first solo tours he did. And it was surprisingly fun. And he mentioned that most of the Joy Division songs had not been played by any member of the band in about 20 years. So he wanted to give them life again.Then I caught him about 5 years after that and he was playing both New Order’s and Joy Division’s Substance. And he was just up there sleepwalking through the set. And then midway through the Joy Division song he complained the crowd was not dancing enough. Yea, you played the New Order stuff first and Joy Division second. If you want people to dance, you need to play it the other way around. Meanwhile, New Order have regained their title as one of the “can’t miss” live acts around.
In other news, someone apparently once published an article here asserting that Nine Lives was a great album.
And there’s been a hole in your soul ever since?
It’s not the best, but I feel that album has its good moments.
Absolutely here to say Nine Lives is underrated and has at least eight Very Good Aerosmith songs
By the standards of the albums they recorded while clean, it’s a great album.
It is marginally better than ‘Just Push Play’ and miles ahead of the godawful ‘Music from Another Dimension.’
But it’s kind of like being the tallest skyscraper in Dubuque, Iowa.
Suddenly Aerosmith will be like 2000s Fall, where new members seem to show up at every gig.
I find the legal structure of rock bands fascinating and there doesn’t seem to be much written about it. I guess every band has a different arrangement but I’d love to know more about it. History of the Eagles gets into this a bit, with how the band was re-incorporated as a two person dictatorship. I wish there was a law school book on this.
Idiocy like this is what happens when Neil Peart’s death fractures the drum-space continuum. It was foretold.
Wait until Mickey Hart and/or Bill Kreutzmann dies (i cant find the drums/space joke).
I hope Hart goes first. The couple years in the 70s when he stopped playing with them are the only Grateful Dead performances that I can sit through.
Sneakers in a dryer. I have a soft spot for Hart though for his ethnomusicology books which helped push me towards a career…
I’ve always heard and read passing references to Hart’s ethnomusicology work. Is it academically significant? I ask because I can’t understand why he’s done so much research while continuing to drag the beat so hard. If you listen to the Veneta August 72 set or most anything from 73, Kreutzmann is the engine of the band; finding a consistent driving groove through all sorts of patient melodic detours. That instantly stopped as soon as he had to account for Hart’s unique sense of tempo. I don’t understand why the rest of the band found that acceptable.
After the way the band has treated him over the years, why does Kramer want back into the band anyway?
Money
Still trying to figure out if Aerosmith was cool cool in the 90’s or just because we were preteens.
Spinal Tap never had this problem!
I would like to sue Aerosmith for existing in the first place under the “quiet enjoyment” clause of the social contract.
Come on man, the drummer from Def Leppard’s only got one arm!
He’s been playing Aerosmith songs for FIFTY FUCKING YEARS!How much rehearsal time could he possibly need for a Grammy set?It’s not like a drummer needs to learn choreography.