Mark Hamill potentially spoils something while tweeting about not spoiling something
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Mark Hamill is clearly good at keeping secrets (unlike his Star Wars Universe pal Pedro Pascal), but the Luke Skywalker actor teetered right on the edge of a spoiler in his latest tweet.
If you are a Star Wars fan who likes to be surprised and you aren’t sure what this is about, then stop reading now. If that doesn’t describe you, please proceed.
“The fact that we were able to keep my involvement a secret for over a year with no leaks is nothing less than a miracle,” Hamill tweeted on Saturday. “A real triumph for spoiler-haters everywhere! #LooseLipsSinkStarships #STFU” The tweet was a follow-up to a more cryptic one he posted on Friday: “Seen anything good on TV lately?”
Out of context Hamill could be talking about anything here. He could have been the surprise on the upcoming Bachelorette finale, or a new member of Joe Biden’s cabinet. But, of course, that’s not the case and Hamill is referring to his computer-enhanced appearance on the season-two finale of The Mandalorian.
If you’ve made it this far and are not a Mandalorian viewer or internet scroller, here’s the gist: Hamill appeared in the final minutes of the Mandalorian season finale, which dropped Friday on Disney+. He was digitally de-aged to appear as Luke Skywalker would have just a few years after Return Of The Jedi. After a tearful goodbye, The Mandalorian (Pedro Pascal) relinquished guardianship of The Child (a.k.a. Grogu) and sent him off with Hamill’s Jedi to be trained to use his gifts. It wasn’t the only potential spoiler to come out of Friday’s episode, but it was the biggest shocker for sure.
Of course, Hamill didn’t explicitly give anything away—and technically he gave more than 24 hours for superfans to have seen the episode—but it does bring into question what an appropriate timeline for discussions of spoilers. It’s something we often contemplate here at The A.V. Club, as we want to give people a place to discuss their thoughts on something without ruining it for others. Sometimes we’re probably overly cautious, other times we’ve maybe been to brash. And when it comes to streaming, things get even more complicated.
Excuse us while we go curl into a ball and think about our spoiler policy…
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Yeah I fell into it. I saw the “seen anything good?” tweet and assumed it was just a regular Hamill making jokes type of tweet. I hadn’t watched the episode yet and thus the surprise was spoiled. Cost of doing business with the internet I suppose.
Yeah, his tweet was the one that I saw a couple of hours before the final episode. Just left alone percolating in my brain, with the information and events that had taken place in season 2 so far, that tweet was enough that I knew who was going to come for Grogu. It was disappointing to know that, but I still enjoyed the episode.
yeah i was spoiled in a similar ‘not quite’ way by someone making fun of kevin smith’s tweet
My phones news feed got me with some story from the wrap or something.
Also something to take into account is the hype. Meaning, when you see “non spoiler” reactions pop up saying “OMG just WAIT until you see what happens. Not saying what, but OMG I feel like it’s 1983 again and I’m ten years old!!!!!111″This kind of stuff doesn’t bother me, per se, but anyone with a passing ability to read between the lines would know without a doubt to what they were referring.
Do you think you’ll be able to get through this horrific time alone or do you want to talk about your feelings on such an important matter? Jesus fuck this world breeds the most feeble shitbags. I kind of hope society falls apart. I’ve always wondered what the solution to overpopulation could be and then I realized that if 99% of the humans on this planet actually had to survive on their own, they wouldn’t last a month.
So you’re a hardcore Mandalorian/Star Wars fan, with an intense enough interest to be bothered by even the hint of Mark Hamill’s involvement and what it might mean…while simultaneously being a devoted enough twitter junkie to follow Mark’s twitter handle about your show.And you’re upset because 24 hours wasn’t enough time for you to see the show first? 24 hours being like an eternity in twitter time.If that’s all it takes to disappoint you, then you can get pretty much get fucked. What a sheltered life you must lead.
As soon as Ahsoka said a Jedi would come for him if he reached out I considered it a foregone conclusion it would be Luke. Not really many others it could be. Nothing disappointing about it, really the opposite.
Plus his dad is Darth Vader!
The fuck!?!
. . . Tha’ FUCK?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?THANKS, jerk!
Hello! Spoiler warning!!!
And Luke’s mom is Jane Foster from Thor!
Really? Damn, that broad gets around.
“Well traveled.”
It’s a big galaxy
And Thor is Captain Kirk’s dad, so if Thor and Jane get married they’ll be step brothers.
Also, Yoda is the little crazy green dude. (That was the other big spoiler in Empire Strikes Back that no one ever mentions.)
His father’s brother’s nephew’s cousin’s former roommate is Dark Helmet!
But what does that make him??!! ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
FOOLED YOU!
And Vader is Anakin!!1!
Also Snape killed Dumbledore. Sorry for the spoilers.
And the ship in Titanic sinks, who knew.
Damn you, I was just about to watch it for the first time. 🙁
I still haven’t watched it whereas 99.9% of my 40 something year old peer group has.
I was joking I saw it in theaters as a kid lol
I’m a hardcore holdout on it, have never had any interest in seeing it going back to when it came out, and somehow have dodged it ever since.
I’m pretty sure it was Hans Gruber that killed Dumbledore.
and he got caught kissing his sister… it’s on film and he was loving it!!!
What the fuck is a Dearth Invader?
Next you’ll be telling me Dumbledore dies in the Harry Potter series!
What? I thought his father was Anakin Skywalker.
I waited so long to find out who was Palpatine’s grandaughter. Eons I waited.
yeah sorry nobody’s convincing me that was actually Hamill de-aged, for a multiple of equally compelling reasons. It was a complete bum note that ruined the moment too, can’t believe it was passed as acceptable by production staff.
“but it does bring into question what an appropriate timeline for discussions of spoilers”Fuck. Off.
Simple rules for spoilers:Any form of Social Media: immediate upon release. Social media is a you problem. If you can’t protect yourself from spoilers or stay off social media, that’s a you problem. News: immediately + warnings and vague headlines.After that 48 hours, it’s all fair game. Fitting in entertainment is a personal issue. You fit it in, you decide what’s important in your life. You avoid places that may bring it up otherwise. As for the the big picture, spoiler phobia is bullshit. And if something is not good because you know what happens before hand, then it wasn’t that well done in the first. The fact that we’re moving to the point that film, tv, music must only be good on first “pure” view is dumb because economics has decided nothing has a shelf life is dumb. That’s all.
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She wasn’t actually looking for an answer, she just didn’t like what you said, had no intelligent response, so she tied it to something completely unrelated as a veiled insult and a feeble attempt to be clever. She’s a moron.
And always wear sunscreen.
This guy is a pro!The only thing I would add is, sure, don’t assume sex will occur, but consider the possibility. So, wear nice underwear and always carry a condom into your wallet/purse, regardless if you are a man or a woman.
Damn, turns out there is exactly one person online who has good opinions. Never thought I’d see the day.
what about anal beads?
That’s a stupid comment and has nothing to do with what he’s saying.
Liquor before dinner…
Weenie roasts?
That’s the hypocritical American belief system.
“If bad things happen to you that’s your problem. Why can’t you control your eyes and ears? I can control all acoustics, and photons around me so I never get spoilers. Also, masks don’t work and Obama was not born in the US. Meh!”
I can’t count the number of things I knew “spoilers” for just from pop-cultural background noise that I still enjoyed when I got around to actually seeing them.
There’s a study that says that most people like spoilers even if they say they don’t.
The Switchblade Sisters podcast – interviews with women in the film industry re their fave genre films – always has this little intro to the discussion proper:Today’s episode will contain spoilers, but that shouldn’t stop you from listening before you watch. Like we always say, it’s not what happens but how it happens that makes a movie worth watching. But if you wanna pause this episode and watch it, now is your chance.I think that’s a nice way to handle it, even though a lot of the films are decades old. Sometimes you just want to experience a story completely fresh, no foreknowledge. On the other hand, hearing these discussions from people I admire – spoilers and all – has lead me to watch a few films I wouldn’t have otherwise seen.
Sometimes you just want to experience a story completely fresh, no foreknowledge. On the other hand, hearing these discussions from people I admire – spoilers and all – has lead me to watch a few films I wouldn’t have otherwise seen.
Ditto. This goes all the way back to one of the original big “shocking movie twists”: THE CRYING GAME. That’s a movie I initially had no interest in watching until people told me the big twist. Then I went and saw it, and yeah, there’s a part of me that wonder if I would have been able to figure out the twist before it was revealed (from my friends and family who’s seen it, the reactions were about half and half with some saying that weren’t surprised and other saying they were shocked), so I wish I’d gone in “blind,” but I still enjoyed the movie overall.
I didn’t bother watching CITIZEN KANE until I was well into adulthood, but I knew what “rosebud” meant since I was a kid and saw it revealed on an episode of CHEERS.
Because you’re a normal, well adjusted, person.
I was pretty pissed when I had avoided all endgame information and someone at work mentioned the “americas ass” joke which spoiled the time travel for me. Really though, its annoying but I survived knowing a tiny nugget of something I was going to watch regardless.
I think there are separate rules for movies and television, especially back when going to movie theaters was a thing.
I’m willing to addendum a first weekend spoiler policy for films released theatrically. Anything released simultaneously on streaming has other rules applied to them.
And if something is not good because you know what happens before hand, then it wasn’t that well done in the first. Writers and directors have become obsessed with “the twist” over the last forty years that, unfortunately, most of the time it’s the only thing a movie has going for it. Audiences have also been conditioned to only grade things on how unexpected some plot point was.
Spot on with all points.
Sorry but anyone who spoils something on social media within the first 24 hours is an asshole.
Social Media is all about immediate conversation.There’s a reason there’s a mute feature for tags.So you can remove yourself from the conversation until you’re ready.That shouldn’t stop everyone else from talking about something as it happens.
So you’re saying people who have zero sense of consideration for others should be allowed unaccountable impulse control because they can’t handle even a 24 hour embargo?What are you, 13?
I’m 13?You don’t want to stay off a social media, a place designed for immediate reaction and conversation, and you think that the problem is the world not bending to your desire to stay spoiler free?Who’s the child? Social media isn’t going to change for you. Stay off it, use mutes or otherwise stop complaining.
and What Child Is This?
Dude, there are plenty of people who don’t spoil or at the very least post a spoiler warning on social media. It’s called being considerate and not totally self-centered. And I revise my estimation. You sound about as mature and considerate as a toddler.
Theres this thing called common courtesy. Sorry if children like to ignore it.
If he is 13, you must be 6. There are people out there who make their living announcing “spoilers”, they are called bloggers, reporters, journalists, etc. The sooner you get the story out, the better. What friggin’ social media site would survive if they held all conversation about something for 48hrs or even 24hrs? You have a choice, don’t look at it!!
But they shouldn’t talk about it in unrelated conversations. I had Hamill’s involvement spoiled for me in a discussion solely about a WandaVision teaser, with absolutely no contextual reason to be talking about anything Mandalorian at all.
But this is a perfect example of a time when most people would have no idea that they needed to avoid a topic. The first season finale of The Mandalorian was good but didn’t include any huge revelations. How are people who haven’t seen the season two finale supposed to know that something crazy happens that they’d rather not be spoiled for? And it’s not just finales. The Red Wedding was the penultimate episode rather than the finale. Should every person mute every show they’re watching until they’re 100% caught up? That seems like a lot of work when people could just make an effort to be vague and use spoiler tags when they discuss a recently released TV show or movie publicly.
The first season finale of The Mandalorian was good but didn’t include
any huge revelations. How are people who haven’t seen the season two
finale supposed to know that something crazy happens that they’d rather
not be spoiled for?
Oh come on. There was a big mystery built in to season 2: who is “the jedi” that they’re looking for? If you’ve been watching the series you know that is set to be revealed in the finale, thus that’s a spoiler that you should know is coming.
I disagree. There may have been outside fan discussions of that ostensible mystery, but the show itself didn’t frame it as a mystery at all and the preceding episode didn’t point towards a Jedi meetup in the finale, setting up the rescue mission episode we got instead. I wasn’t completely thrown off by Luke showing up when he did, but I wasn’t given any reason to expect that he or another OT character would show up in this episode.
The Red Wedding is an interesting example because a lot of viewers watched that episode as it aired. It could be (and was) spoiled only for people who time-shifted. With TV there was historically a preordained moment when the episode went from being unseen to seen, which was shared by everyone watching. We’re experiencing a collision of priorities – the desire for ceaseless internet chatter about pop culture, versus the desire to consume pop culture on our own schedules, without that ceaseless internet chatter affecting the experience. Really, if you want a practical example of “decadence” at a social level, you could do worse than people complaining that one form of entertainment is detracting from another.
That’s true. A lot more people watched the Red Wedding live, especially since there isn’t even a way to watch The Mandalorian “live.” Though I feel like people were still careful not to spoil it for those who were watching time-shifted. And of course those who had read the books concealed the secret a lot longer than the few weeks people are asking for here.Yeah, spoilers are definitely a first-world problem. But on the other hand, not spoiling things for people is really easy. Just keep it vague or use spoiler tags when you’re in a public forum. It’s so little to ask for and people still push back for no real reason.
God forbid someone have a conversation about media without you, you self-absorbed dumbass.
Everyone who does anything on social media is an asshole. It’s an environment where people can’t suppress their aggressive racism, yet we’re asking for restraint with Mandalorian spoilers?
Sorry, but it’s always a “you” problem as it relates to spoilers AFTER the event. The world doesn’t stop to protect your feelings or wishes.
Any form of Social Media: immediate upon release. Social media is a you problem. If you can’t protect yourself from spoilers or stay off social media, that’s a you problem.I have to look at social media as a part of my job. Lots of people do. Screw us, I guess?
And if something is not good because you know what happens before hand, then it wasn’t that well done in the first.That’s bullshit. A scene can be great but be spoiled if you know about it beforehand. If you don’t expect somebody to die, for example, and you see it for the first time, it’s a completely different experience than if you knew about it before seeing it. This isn’t a new thing.
I’d add “keep it out of the headline”. Vague hints are basically spoilers.I can avoid reading an article, but when I scroll through my Feedly or YouTube thumbnails I can’t avoid headlines.“Big surprise on this week’s episode of xxx” should be enough.
One of the only times I’ve ever seen something truly “spoiled” was by the LA Times for the last book of the Harry Potter main series. There was a data breach somewhere (forget where) that resulted in the final Deathly book being stolen, and the Times released a picture of the final page of the book as proof. It was something explicitly confirming key details involving the main characters of the series being published in a major news outlet weeks before the release of the book in question. Yeah, that was an annoying one for me. I saw a picture of text over an article, hadn’t even realized what I was reading until I’d hit details that were obviously Potter.
I didn’t even get 48 hours, in all truth I didn’t even get six hours. I got up at 6 AM, checked my feed, and spoilers for said Mark Hamill related post was already on it.
Social media doesn’t work on anticipation, its very existence is based on spontaneity.
Social media is also digital, which includes influences on this site as well as any you are currently reading or visiting.
Social media is not convenient, nor has it ever been. Otherwise, we’d all be millionaires from our bad makeup videos.
The only way to be free of it completely is to stay off the grid, but I think I’m okay watching star wars on time instead of moving to a trailer in some Appalachian neighborhood.
The point is not that it’s only good on the first “pure” view. The point is that you have exactly one chance in your entire life to consume this work for the first time without knowing what’s coming next. Intentionally stealing that first time from someone else is a dick move.
Everybody knows Simple Rules must be presented in groups of 8.
I agree pretty much across the board with these. Nothing is worse than people who go into threads on discussion boards specifically about the thing they don’t want spoiled and then cry their eyes out when they’re spoiled. I don’t really get it myself, I’ve never in my life enjoyed a piece of entertainment less if I know what’s coming. Actually, I like to speculate while watching things and am pretty happy when I guess right.
I recently ran into someone who complained because a Youtube review of WW84 came out a week before the movie. The review was completely empty of spoilers beyond some trailer clips. If someone purposely clicks on a review of a video that says there are no spoilers, they shouldn’t complain.
yes! also just want to add that all studies have shown that humans enjoy media – book, radio, television, movie – more if we are familiar with it, aka seen it before or had plot points revealed. we are bad at paying attention and thinking when we are scared or confused or startled. when we know what is up, we can focus and really take something it.they are ENHANCERS more than spoilers. and anyway the people who complain about it are wannabe bullies engaging in one of the last socially acceptable tantrums about not being able to control other people.
Totally agree. It’s not the bajillion people who watched it day of release and want to discuss it’s fault that you didn’t have time to watch it. I do think blatant spoilers in first 48 hours is an issue, but vague headlines and spoiler warning are more than ok. And you’ll never avoid them on social media, so you have to just avoid social media.
And if something is not good because you know what happens before hand, then it wasn’t that well done in the first.Way to oversimplify spoilers. The concept is that going into some scenes without having it spoiled makes the surprise that much better. Can the same scenes be good knowing what’s going to happen going in? Sure, but they’re not as good.People who don’t recognize this seem to be in the “If it doesn’t bother me, it shouldn’t bother anyone else” school of thought.
Wouldn’t that all depend on the spoiler? I mean the above is definitely a big reveal, but it’s doesn’t exactly ruin the story on a first viewing angle… but if you throw up something along the lines of “Darth Vader is Luke’s father!!!” in this day and age than that is a pure dick move
OK, but lets address the 8:00 am friday IO9
LETS TALK ABOUT THE BIG MANDALORIAN TWIST FINALE
headline
the fact that there is a twist is in itself a spoiler
That’s just some bullshit. Some of us have to use social media for work, too. It’s not that hard to put a spoiler warning on something or use vague context, especially when it’s literally the day-of.I had this particular item spoiled for me when I was checking Instagram to make sure a marketing post went up for work, at around 10AM on Friday, when the episode had just dropped at 12AM that same morning.It doesn’t mean I didn’t enjoy the show, but an element of narrative storytelling is surprise. It does no favors to the artists have that element negated by others. In this case, the way they presented his entrance with his face obscured by a cloak during his epic beatdown of the Dark Troopers was clearly meant to create a build-up for the audience’s sake. We were meant to notice things like his gloved right hand, fighting style, particular use of force powers, and wonder, “Wait, is that Luke?” and then enjoy the gratification of having it confirmed when he revealed his face.But like I said, I still enjoyed the show. I’m also technically capable of enjoying a movie at the theater while the person in front of me plays Candy Crush…but I’ll enjoy it more if I happen to accidentally spill my Coke right onto their phone.
Any form of Social Media: immediate upon release. Social media is a you problem. If you can’t protect yourself from spoilers or stay off social media, that’s a you problem. Seriously, this is exactly what I do, including with the Mandalorian episode. When there’s some film or TV show coming out that I’m really excited about and am expecting “surprises”, I stay off Twitter, FB, IG, and Reddit until I’ve had a chance to see it. It’s a policy that’s always worked for me. I’m amazed (but not really) at the pushback you’re getting on this rather sensible suggestion.
Spoiler Justice Warriors care even less about rules than they do about facts. Their only goal is maximum histrionics.
And if something is not good because you know what happens before hand, then it wasn’t that well done in the first.Counterpoint:
Unfortunately, this twist was spoiled for me before I even got to watch it (thanks, cord-cutting and a year-long Netflix delay!). And let me tell you: knowing that ahead of time put the entire first season in a new perspective.
Which, you know, was kinda the point.
Ironically, I assumed that was the big plot development in that show, but this post was the first actual confirmation I had of it.
People who obsess about spoilers and fetishize the “pure viewing experience” have long since eclipsed actual spoilers in sheer obnoxiousness. People who think that the rest of human society should somehow bend to their sheer will, wagging their finger like a Karen while amping up their histrionics, are so repulsive. I get that the world kind of sucks right now, but some people need to pull their head out of their frivolous escapism and take a breath.
I’ve heard one that I like that’s a wee bit more tight-lipped and is based more on the type of media being spoiled:TV shows: about 24 hours after release. Gives people the time to get through the day and watch when they get home.Movies: about a week after release. Gives people enough time to go on their next day off.Books: about two weeks after release. Some people read a bit slowly, so this gives them a little extra time.Videogames: about four weeks after release. It’s not uncommon for some games to take over 100 hours to finish.
You’re silly.I have various feeds completely unrelated to entertainment. In fact, most are science and education related. Not even technology. Yet, CONSISTENTLY, I’ll see weak, idiotic opportunists posing as writers put spoilers in their headline just so they can MAYBE get a few extra clicks. To say nothing of when I do browse feeds on entertainment and technology. They’ll always sneak in a loser who can’t write properly.
I don’t mind articles talking about “spoilers”. I don’t mind them mentioning possible spoilers in the title; meaning that they’re giving away a recent thing has spoilers but not the nature of it. But to give it away in the title? That’s lazy and opportunistic and selfish.There’s no reason for it because despite what you say, you’re wrong. Sometimes writing in some things are so weak that they need to have that potential “spoiler” moment and being wise to it really does ruin it.Nothing beats watching something for the first time but if it’s spoiled it’s like watching it for the second time. Which is fine, but not the same. It’s particularly bad when most entertainment today is weak and doesn’t take risks. It sets up all this crap and odds against characters but YOU KNOW without DOUBT that everything will be fine. And knowing how they magically fix it really makes it pointless to watch because it’s such a cheaty way of writing.
There is no good reason to put spoilers in headlines when you’re being paid to write. 1 hour, 48 hours or 10 years. Well, ok 10 years. Even 1 or 2 years. But still.Get over yourself. That’s all.
As for the the big picture, spoiler phobia is bullshit. And if something is not good because you know what happens before hand, then it wasn’t that well done in the first.i agree with most of what you said but this isn’t exactly true…Sure i would have still loved this if i knew about it before hand…but I know I would not have felt the adrenaline and suspense or even pure Joy that I did, just watching it all play out in real time. Seeing that x-wing, thinking what if…seeing that green light saber and thinking naaa it can’t be…seeing that one gloveless hand one gloved hand and saying…did i just see what i saw?? as i got more and more excited…and then seeing the full black outfit and realizing the truth, seconds before the actual reveal??so spoilers are not BS…though some of that burden falls on the viewer to be careful…i purposely just didn’t get on twitter until i saw the episode…
I’ve been arguing with people the last several weekends about “spoiler space time”, wherein some idiot thinks we all are sitting on our asses and can watch the new episodes as soon as they drop at midnight-ish (NYC time), so can spoil away at 1am.First of all, fuck you.Second of all, some people still have a schedule/job and are in bed by midnight, so can’t watch it THIS VERY SECOND.Third of all, fuck you for thinking everyone CAN watch it THIS VERY SECOND.Fourth of all, guck you for not thinking, period.Fifth of all, 24-48 hours for TV shows in “prime time”, one week for movies was a generally accepted universal rule. Even then the Big Spoilers are still shtum for at least a month, regardless of media.
(Comics seem ot have completely fallen off the list, with some news sources reporting same day, others adhering the 24 hour rule.)Sixth of all, do NOT deny you’re an asshole when you go spouting off Spoilers for ANYTHING new in a public forum, whether it be social media or the breakroom at work.
(YES, I had some third shift fucker blab spoilers the night Rise of Skywalker dropped, just because he had already seen it. I was grabbing my coat to leave when he did it. Numerous People in the room called him out on it.)
Primetime TV shows are spoiled the moment after they air – that’s the nature of the form. With streaming shows it’s trickier. But “having more important things to do than watch TV” and “caring deeply about spoilers” seem mutually exclusive, so the problem should really take care of itself.
So explain why BBC got an avalanche of hate when they blabbed “Missy”s secret the second she told Doctor Capaldi?Sure, lots of fan theories were leaning that way, but no one outside the UK was watching the show that day, but their BBC News page blasted it across Facebook before the credits rolled, seconds later. I had to warn several friends to get OFF THE INTERNET IMMEDIATELY until they watched it, and did NOT appreciate the BBC spoiling me, either.
Hell, I had a customer today I was chatting with, mentioned last year I had today off, went to see Star Wars, made it into another store right before they started turning people away. “Oh, do you watch Mandalorian?”
“….I am aware of it. ;)”
“Yeah, my husband watches, but I try not to slip any spoilers, too. lol”See? THAT was how you should be treating people, not like my coworker who decided to be an asshole and shout out RoS spoilers as soon as he got to work, last year.Now, had she said anything about Rebels or Resistance, I would have told her I knew the basics, but was not a regular watcher of either show. I would hope she kept shtum at that point.
Really, the bigger issue is that BBC or Mark Hamill or whoever has to comment immediately on TV episodes. As with so many things, we can say that this is a matter of social media etiquette, but there is no such thing as social media etiquette. We enjoy the illusion that social media is a place for discourse between individuals, where things like etiquette (and protocol) matter. But social media is only a branding environment, whether the brand is Star Wars, BBC, me, you, Brexit, or nazism. We’re so uncomfortable with the idea of being products (which we are, literally, as these companies trade data about our identities) that we cling to illusions of control. So in that regard I take back my original comments that spoilers are irrelevant – the way we experience media is one of the only humanizing parts of the current media environment.
I’m not particularly precious about spoilers, but I will say that in my experience the first watch of a significant moment is very different from subsequent viewings purely because when it’s done well that significance only becomes apparent at that very moment (or just before).Having a moment revealed before that instead leaves you ‘waiting’ for the moment you know is coming instead. I’d argue that is also different from seeing a scene a second/third time, as in those cases – at least for me – are watched alongside the entirety of a show/film series. Instead the sensation is felt more through seeing the story reach that conclusion, and with fresher eyes on what came before, often adds greater satisfaction/pathos/etc. than either way you can reasonably experience that moment for the first time.
My son got a Star Wars picture book for his first birthday that gives away the ending of the Empire Strikes Back in its very first page. But then it occurred to me that the ending of the Empire Strikes Back can’t work as a surprise when the prequels exist. Anyway, he’ll probably like all the movies once he’s old enough to see them.
It’s only really a spoiler if you’re a ridiculously oversensitive spoiler-wuss. I always roll my eyes when people freak out about spoilers and it turns out to be something as vague as “something big is about to happen and someone you’re familiar with is probably going to appear!”
I just hate it when real life events get spoiled. Like, I get it, you get visions of the future and there’s going to be a huge natural disaster in three months or whatever and you just have to share it with someone. But seriously can’t you just let me enjoy the element of surprise?
Why of course I knew Al-Qaeda was going to take down the Twin Towers on September 11, 2001. But because I hate spoilers so much yada yada yada Twin Towers Correctional Facility in LA.
I don’t believe in, but collect conspiracy theories, what’s this about 9/11 and twin towers jail? I can’t find good google
*blink blink*I was making a bad, extremely fucked up joke. Combine a false claim of future knowledge, a dislike of giving spoilers, and mixing up one of the most evil places on the planet with a jail.
I wouldn’t call the joke bad, dark for sure but I found it pretty funny!
*shakes fist* Damn you Raven Symone!
Yes, and because you CLEARLY know that nobody disagrees with you – and even though you feel one way, there’s obviously not a ton of people who feel differently – we should all do things your way.
Dismissed “simnel” person: ha-ha, totally; yeah that’s the extreme spoiler-babies, alright: always insisting everybody follow their way of doing things. Definitely what annoys me about them.
And if it happens in the first ten minutes of the movie, it’s not a spoiler.
I remember someone in the comments of the first Endgame trailer was furious that Marvel spoiled their own movie by showing Scott Lang & Tony Stark on Earth. I could never parse whether they were trolling or not, but it seemed like genuine anger.That level of spoiler sensitivity is something I can’t even wrap my head around. At some point if you *need* to be that unaware going into media you consume you probably shouldn’t even be looking at casting news or posters of upcoming films.Where we will inevitably end up:“Hey you wanna go see the new Spider-Man movie?”“What the fuck why did you spoil that Spider-Man is in the movie!?”
His tweet ruined the surprise for me (the moment the appropriate scenes started in the episode I knew who it was and roughly what would happen, based on that tweet alone), and I think I would have enjoyed it more not knowing.BUT also it’s a TV show and I will live.
The VAST majority of the time I agree with you. But they rolled this one into the show in a nice way. Having it spoiled would have taken away some of the shock and awe.Usually when there is a cameo like this, they just show the person straight up and you know exactly who it is. This time though, they fed clues through the scene.It’s an x-wing, could be luke, or well, anyone, nothing to indicate jedi at this point and we’ve had republic contacts that have shown up before. Robed figure, likely a jedi which would make sense with the story, but not absolutely a jedi yet. Lightsaber action, so most likely a jedi now. Did Ahsoka change her mind? In a few of the shots the figure almost looked feminine but Luke/Hamill has a smaller frame and in the glances it could go either way yet. Oh, gloved hand!, but we haven’t seen the other hand yet. Green saber! So Luke, but no one mentions the child in ep7,8, or 9…so maybe not. Other hand is gloveless, and it’s the all black gettup from Ep6. Then the reveal confirming.If you knew Hamill was in the show prior to the scene, the suspense of the reveal is stripped away and the scene would actually seem to drag on a little too long as you already know the answer.
OTOH, the Spoiler Justice Warriors had a collective meltdown over this article title :
Wait, [Redacted] Was Supposed To Die In The Force Awakens?Yes, that was the unedited title, it’s in the slug:
https://io9.gizmodo.com/wait-redacted-was-supposed-to-die-in-the-force-awake-1748949179This is why we should not negotiate with people too wimpy to be actual terrorists.
I saw some hinting at something big in the Mandalorian season finale, so I hurried to watch it lest someone spoil it for me. Preemptively spoiling a would-be spoiler
Even Luke’s face on the screen wasn’t a spoiler for Mark Hamill’s involvement.
I’m not too concerned about spoilers for the most part, but it’s interesting that both Game of Thrones and the MCU have had some pretty great track records with keeping a lid on spoilers for as long as a week or more. Of course, some people rushed out to talk about Mjolnir or whatever straight after Endgame, but it seemed to me that most people were working pretty hard to maintain secrecy. And I knew plenty of people who managed to start Game of Thrones right before the last season who still knew almost nothing of the plot, including some of the real juicy bits. Even the book readers —although certainly incentivized to keep their mouths shut— didn’t leak much before events unfolded.
Anyway, that wasn’t so long ago, and now people seem much less concerned with keeping spoilers secret. I saw some people very recently upset about spoilers for the first season of The Good Place, which is hardly the same as spoiling the day after, but I sometimes think the “Who cares?” crowd is a little overly self-satisfied with their own indifference to spoilers, even in cases of legitimately worthwhile twists. I don’t really think The Mandalorian finale was one of those cases though. If you were just an episode or two behind, you already had to be thinking it, and the only surprise is that they actually pulled it off. If you hadn’t started the season or series at all, I would still rate finding out about Baby Yoda a bigger spoiler than Luke’s appearance. And there’s no way anybody missed that one.
So that actually was Hamill de-aged? I just figured they digitally painted his face on to a stunt double. Brave new world of film-making. Reminds me of when Michael Douglass said he was totally down for a prequel to Ant-Man – just get him a good stunt/body double and de-age his face for his scenes like in Endgame.
It’s kind of weird and confusing me too. The person physically standing there was Max Lloyd-Jones. Then Hamill’s face was superimposed and de-aged I guess? I associate de-aging with altering the appearance of someone who is physically present, but maybe it’s a broader term? Lloyd-Jones/Hamill’s face had a slightly blurry and uncanny valley look to me so I’m not sure it was entirely successful either way (though that didn’t detract at all from my pure enjoyment in that scene). If they are setting up more scenes or younger Luke I hope they just cast a similar looking actor.
If it wasn’t physically Mark, then it must be like in Logan. X-24 wasn’t Hugh Jackman, it was another person altogether and they simply pasted Hugh’s face onto him.
Bring in Sebastian Stan!
I’d say only do that if he was a regular on the show.
Was it fan service, though? Wasn’t it completely jutified – even inevitable – narratively? If this were a show you’d never heard about before (but you’d binge-watched it all, including the films), wouldn’t you have expected Luke to show up at that point? The plot since the beginning of the show has been that the Mandalorian has to get Grogu back to another Jedi – and there’s only two Jedi alive at this point and we’ve already met one of them, so what did you expect? The only reason people didn’t know that Luke would be in this in advance is that people know that big name actors often can’t find time in their schedules, and that the studio might not think it worth the money to digitally recreate a younger version of him. In story terms, his appearance was natural.If you’ve gotten to the point of wanting natural narrative flow to be diverted simply in order to actively AVOID pleasing fans, then yeah, you’re being unnecessarily grumpy!
I don’t really understand your comment. Did you mean to respond to me?Also there are at least 6 “jedi” alive at this point in the canon.
Wow, that went weird!I posted a reply to you – about whether it ‘was’ Hamill or not, and the future of celebrity acting. Then I posted a reply to someone else complaining that Luke being in this was infuriating fan service. But something glitched around this time, and it appeared that my second post was somehow a copy of my first. So then I edited my second post (I thought) to be this. But it seems I edited my first post instead – or else the two posts were still somehow linked as one and editing one edited the other as well? Weird. Sorry about that!
[Are the other 4 all from the cartoons? (Assuming we’re not counting Leia)]
Luke, Leia, Ahsoka, Ezra Bridger (from Rebels), Cal Kestis (from Fallen Order, probably alive), Cere Junda (same situation as Cal), Naq Med (from Force Collector), and of course more which are being added and confirmed as media is added.
It’s very funny to me that Disney ditched the EU when continuing the series . . . and then as things have gone on has increasingly kindof mirrored the path the EU went on, including bringing back Boba Fett and it turning out that rather than the Jedi almost entirely being wiped out there’s actually probably dozens hiding around (I’m not actually complaining about any of this to be clear).
I think regardless of the acquisition, a universe reset or purge needed to happen if we wanted a coherent galaxy in future media. There were definitely gems, but the old EU was a convoluted and inconsistent mess in a lot of ways. Lucas himself would constantly retcon things and it became so unwieldly that a young fan didn’t really have any good place to begin, assuming you could even find a lot of the older stuff. I’m glad they are pulling threads from the old continuity and weaving them into something that, so far, feels way more approachable and consistent.
Anyone who complains about “fan service” in a Star Wars television show about a guy who looks like Boba Fett that also includes Boba Fett is a danger to the rest of us. Our minds can’t repel irony of that magnitude!
and there’s only two Jedi alive at this point and we’ve already met one of themTo be fair, you’d have to watch, what, 13 seasons combined of two different TV shows to fully get that the non-Luke Jedi was likely still alive out there? And there’s no hard proof that there aren’t other ones out there too. I’m just quibbling though; your actual point, that concluding that Luke was gonna show up eventually is quite justified and probably inevitable from an in-universe perspective, seems sound to me.
Yeah, it wasn’t great. It seemed like a cheaper version of what they did with Leia in Rogue One (which also wasn’t great). Obviously there are budgetary considerations, but I wish they had actually filmed Mark Hamill for the close-ups and digitally de-aged him similar to what they did with Samuel L. Jackson in Captain Marvel. I think it would’ve wound up looking a bit more accurate since they would have a base of Hamill’s actual facial acting to work from.
I agree, though I don’t think Hamill’s physique and shape would have really worked it any more.
Somebody actually shared a link elsewhere in the thread in which Favreau said it was Hamill playing Luke in person and they changed his physique and face using CGI, so I was wrong about that!The body double everybody talked about in earlier reporting was apparently just used for the action scenes.
I think they just made Luke more good-looking than Hamill actually was when he was young. All the imperfections on his face aren’t there. That’s why Grand Moff Tarkin in Rogue One is one of the better CGI replacements they’ve done; they didn’t worry about making him good-looking.
I definitely get what you’re talking about in that I’m usually fooled more by older-looking CGI characters but I actually thought Tarkin didn’t look too great. I think they over-exaggerated his features to the point that he looked like a cartoon character standing next to the other people in his scenes.
looking up this actor – I would not have minded if they’d just passed him off at Luke Skywalker! Especially seeing as he kinda looks like he could’ve been the son of Christensen’s Anakin Skywalker
They could just given in and cast Sebastian Stan. Would have been easy to pass off.
It was somewhat blurry and oddly dim. I’m surprised it wasn’t sharper.
Yep that actually was Mark Hamill de-aged.
The digitally rendered face was Hammill de-aged… The body was not Hammil…
“Many believed Max Lloyd Jones acted the entire sequence as Luke and Hamill provided the voice, but Favreau said otherwise, as Hamill was on set filming scenes as Luke. It would appear Jones handled Luke’s action beats while Hamill acted in the scene where Luke came face to face with Baby Yoda and took him away for Jedi training.”https://www.indiewire.com/2020/12/jon-favreau-explains-luke-skywalker-mandalorian-scene-hamill-on-set-1234606005/
It was not; it was a stunt double with Hamill’s face added on digitally and Hamill did the voice work. If they had actually de-aged him he would’ve been there physically and they would’ve altered his appearance via CGI similar to Samuel L. Jackson in Captain Marvel.
“In his first public interview about the finale, Favreau confirmed to “Good Morning America” that Hamill was involved in Luke’s return in far more than just a voiceover capacity. Similar to Robert De Niro in “The Irishman,” Hamill filmed Luke’s “Mandalorian” cameo on set and VFX technology was used to de-age the character.”https://www.indiewire.com/2020/12/jon-favreau-explains-luke-skywalker-mandalorian-scene-hamill-on-set-1234606005/
Huh! Bizarre. I guess the early reporting that it was a body double was wrong.So I guess it was just… a cheaper, worse version of the CGI I was referencing. It’s a bummer it didn’t come out better though I’m sure plenty of people worked their asses off to get it looking as good as it did.
From what I hear it is not Mark Hamill de-aged. It is the actor Max Lloyd-Jones playing the part with Mark’s face “deepfaked” over his. As for the voice, I’m not sure if they de-aged Mark’s voice or got a voice-a-like actor to do it. Hamill was of course involved and credited because, well, it’s his face!
That’s what I figured it was, but the article made it sound like they pulled an Irishman and actually had Hamill there, de-aged. I thought it looked okay, although the lighting on deepfakes always looks a little weird – it’s like they’re glowing, and the surrounding room isn’t casting patterns of light and shadow right on their faces because . . . it isn’t.
Based on his tweets it sounds like it was actually his voice but it doesn’t sound like he was there.
legitimately do not believe it was de-aging. if so it looks much, much worse than any other attempts we’ve seen in media the last two decades (the stewart/mckellan de-aging in X3, the RDJ de-aging in Civil War, the Douglas in Antman & the Wasp)
Mark has confirmed it was his voice, newly recorded.
And Hamill is well experienced voice actor.
Somewhat off-topic but when do we call it de-aging and when does it fall in the simple deepfake category…?
I have no idea. I just figured “deep-fake” was a specific type of way of creating this effect, a subset of overall CGI technology.
You are right, but in terms of results I think Disney should give it a try… lol
The Mandalorian Luke Skywalker Original vs Deepfake
It’s close, but yeah the deepfake looks better. Better light and shadow contrast on the “face”.
yeah the deepfake version here only looks slightly better than what we got on screen, and not by much
Idk whether it was Hamill or a stunt double but either way, the technology isn’t there yet.
I really did love the scene (haters be damned, this is Star Wars we’re talking about not Far From The Madding Crowd) but I thought it looked absolutely awful when he spoke. The eyes looked so dead and his face sort of slid around.
I think 24-hours for TV must-see TV is fair (48 hours for secondary shows) and a couple weeks for movies. But, also, use the hastag so people can mute the term if they’re spoiler averse but still want to go on social media.
(Because, of course, if you’re not watching the show but choose to go on social media, spoilers are something you have to expect.)
can we just agree that the fucking name grogu is like the absolute worst? like i’d prefer if he were named egg-munchington the blue-puker instead.
This must get super complicated, especially from the perspective of an international reader. Not everything that is old in the US has arrived here in the UK, so it’s easy to get spoiled on big things that I’d only have been able to see using a VPN. (and I’m trying to be a good viewer… mostly)The Mandalorian isn’t a problem for me, I watched it on the day of release, though with streaming services when we can watch at our convenience there should be no obligation to. I was annoyed today to get a big spoiler for Tenet, which I think is quite reasonable to still not have seen due to Covid and it still being quite expensive on VOD.One more thing… did they digitally deage Hamill? I know they had a body actor for the scenes, but I assumed they’d either used deepfakes or whatever CGI mask they created for Leia or they had insterted footage from Return of the Jedi. If Hamill was personally involved I assumed it was as a voice actor, to give permission for his image to be used, or just because Disney had been polite and told him it was happening.
Jesus what a bunch of crybaby garbage. Let me give everyone a tip. If you want, or actually care (which is pathetic), about these basic ass stories getting “spoiled” for you, stay off the internet. Nobody is under any obligation not to talk about something because somebody that might see it will get spoiled. In fact, I used to try to avoid spoilers in the things I wrote. Now I’m going to post whatever I please.
Pretty sure Mark Hamill’s involvement in the finale was very minimal at best. Luke “Tron: Legacy” Skywalker looked and sounded nothing like him. Yes, I know a different actor played the pre-CGI part.
sounded nothing like himI mean, it was his voice. And it’s not the first time he lent his voice to the show.
Bruh are we really gonna say it didn’t look like him?I mean. It was hardly perfect but I think it’s a HUGE stretch to say it looked nothing like him. It looked like a digital rendering of Mark Hamill circa ROTJ would look. The voice, I’ll grant, was far less convincing. I think the reality is that there was already a raspy edge to Hamill’s voice by the time ROTJ came out, so they went way too far in trying to de-age it and removed a fair bit of the character from it. My boyfriend and I definitely discussed whether or not it was Hamill or not. (He felt it was a voice actor, I felt it was a digitally altered Hamil performance). But the CGI was plenty clear. Sure, it LOOKED like it was CGI. But looking convincing, and looking like him, are totally different.
Skywalker looked and sounded nothing like him.
Really? He looked exactly like Luke, because it was Luke, and it sounded like Luke, because it was Luke, Mark to be exact, lent his voice. I guess the CG was a bit dodgy, but that was obviously, very much Luke.
I was honestly more surprised and delighted by Mark Hamill’s appearance on a different TV show this year.
His cameo was cool, but I preferred the cameo of Jackie Daytona. We all need a little Jackie Daytona in our lives.
Hell, I’d love to see Jackie Daytona on The Mandalorian.
“I’ll ejaculate right through that” is what The Mandalorian desperately needs.
There are a lot of bars on a lot of planets who could use a Regular Human Bartender like Jackie Daytona.
What We Do in the Shadows of the Empire, coming soon to Disney+.
Just wait until Laszlo Calrissian, aka Jackie Tatooine, is revealed to be Lando’s mentor and the source of his adopted surname.
Just reading the name “Jackie Daytona” puts a smile on my face. When’s the next season coming out, again??
Hamill has a history of this.A few nights before The Last Jedi came out, he tweeted something like “Oh Frank Oz is at the world premier with me, I wonder what that means…”Okay cool Yoda is in the movie thanks for spoiling it, assho… eh, I can’t call Hamill that. He’s just too nice.
C’mon Pat, check the website.
If you’re one of the people saying that Mark Hamill was “digitally de-aged” without proper context, what are you even doing here?
Mark had a voice acting job.
Maybe it even had some mocap.
Then they got a stand-in to do the things and digitally morphed that person into a Luke Skywalker looking sort of thing.
Mark woulda had to be digitally shaved and botoxed before they could even start to de-age him, because duh look at it.
P.S. Within the month, a YouTube channel will make it look 10x better, and I’ll continue wondering what the fuck these FX companies are contracted with to prevent them from using deepfake technology while they deepfake the hard ways.
I’m only digitally de-aged with proper context. It’s a little thing called principle.
It’s too bad there isn’t some form of détente between WarnerMedia and Disney, else Lucasfilm could’ve had access to DC’s cutting-edge facial hair removal technology.
I used to have a pretty solid attitude about spoilers: It’s on you to avoid them. Stay off social media. I went dark for a solid week before seeing Last Jedi, because holiday plans kept me from seeing it for a week.
But the Netflix/Disney model of releasing things at 12:01 a.m. changes that a bit. Quite a few people just simply can’t keep that schedule.
I hate everything about this except Mark Hamill getting work and being his usual cool self on the internet.I feel like a lot of the things I’ve been saying lately is some real cranky old man shit, but I guess I can’t help it. I don’t know the last time I enjoyed a bit of fan service, I’m sure there was something in the past that did it for me. But I fucking hate it now, and I feel like that’s all the last few years have been.Am I wrong? Is everyone on board with all this sequelization of, not a work or a story, but of specific moments and actors designed to provoke a nostalgic reaction?
Ok, Pop-Pop; here’s your prune juice, and I’ll put on Matlock for you.
Thanks. I need a blanket though.
You’re wrong. Out of the mountain of things to be upset about in the world, especially in 2020, this is the dumbest.
I know. But this is a pop culture website.
Its been better than anything star wars has ever put out.
Well who else could possibly be out there storywise? Leia could have shown up, Cam from Fallen Order or Ahsoka. I wouldn’t exactly call that fan service, more like the logical way for it to go. During this time Luke was rebuilding the Jedi Order and searching for force sensitives.If you are talking about fan service in general? Yeah I have an issue with it if it is blatantly obvious rather than kinda hidden in the story. The entire way he hid his face when coming through the ship until the end was kinda… off? I mean rewatching it shows that he can’t see shit out of that hood as it covers his eyes. If you want to stretch it then MAYBE you could say he was sensing things with the force.
I sort of mean the whole thing, not just that story moment. The fan service is *always* the answer for the story. Even the show is “Boba Fett and little cute Yoda – you like these things”. But whatever, I’m old, everyone loves it – and I’m genuinely glad, I wouldn’t take enjoyment away from anyone. I was just wondering if I was alone, and I have my answer.
Personally all the fan service seems very dumb and superficial to me, but I still greatly enjoyed The Mandalorian, and I expect giant corporations like Disney to always take the easy way out and play for cheap thrills anyways, especially when it comes to their most lucrative properties. Like, the fact alone that they’re “properties” is kinda the death of the art side of art & entertainment to begin with! For actually edifying entertainment, one needs to turn to stuff that isn’t part of big franchises, and luckily while the big studio interconnected blockbusters suck up a lot of the conversational oxygen, there’s more and more out there outside of that. My favourite genre movie of the 2010s for example wasn’t a big franchise movie, but probably the independent It Follows. Stuff like that feels like it’s on a whole level (or two or three) up from anything a big studio like Disney has the ability to produce, even just in terms of sheer craftsmanship (The Mandalorian is the first Star Wars thing I can remember a new musical motif from since Episode 1’s Duel Of The Fates; all that money and they’re nowhere near as brilliant as the score for It Follows). And there are plenty of other gems out there like that; so while I personally as aforementioned did enjoy The Mandalorian, I wish sites like this could spend a lot less time on such pieces of entertainment and find things we haven’t heard of before to talk about more frequently instead.
Well, certainly I would expect a pop culture site to spend a good amount of time on a successful TV show. And back when It Follows came out, the AVClub devoted a lot of coverage to it. But your points are well-taken.
Its just you. I loved seeing Luke.
Gotcha.
What you’re angry about is something called “Star Wars”. It’s a collection of wildly uneven fantasy with a wildly-unevenly-applied set of rules, followed by a completely insufferable wildly uneven fanbase. The only way to not be angered by “Star Wars” is not to watch it. Just leave it behind; it was never really worth it.
I realized years ago that I just don’t care about a lot of this stuff. I’m looking forward to watching Star Wars with my kids, and when they’re old enough I’ll probably enjoy watching the Mandalorian with them. But there’s no reason that variations on the same stories about the same characters can or should be entertaining for decades on end.
Well, he definitely spoiled it for me, watching it on Sunday, as did the email from AV Club teasing this story todayBut you get what you get if you wait until the weekend to watch something internet-popular
I don’t think we are talking de-aging here. It looked more like they used earlier footage to map his face onto the other actor. Then he likely provided the limited dialogue.
I grew up watching anime, in which the opening animation sequence might give away something that occurs in episode 7 or you might end an episode with a preview for the next episode titled, “Tragedy meets sacrifice! Shogo’s final moments!” In general, I’ve grown into someone who appreciates the journey more than the destination.That said, my Pixel phone spoiled the episode for me. When I right-swiped on the home screen the first article suggested to me had a picture of Luke with Grogu and talking about the cameo. So that was a big “screw it” at about 10 am EST. The journey to the particular destination in the episode was a bit disappointing.
Your own site’s review of the episode spoils this for anyone with half a brain…
“No one’s ever really gone in a mostly satisfactory Mandalorian finale”
this is stupid. the show aired on friday.
Back when I was a wee one the Indy 500 was held during the day but shown on ABC in primetime that night. There was so little news of the moment back then it was pretty easy to avoid hearing who won. Except …… the other networks (which was only CBS and NBC) loved to report who won the race during their news broadcasts even though sports was rarely part of their coverage. They’d even mention it during those ‘top of the hour’ news breaks.
Wow, when was the last time they did that? I suppose my first regular Indy watchings were mid-80s.
Unfortunately, with the ridiculous region restrictions on movie releases and streaming TV, there is never going to be a consensus on when spoilers are okay.
But I hope we can agree that anyone who publishes spoilers immediately after it first airs can go straight to Hell.
My wife spoiled “Seven” by telling me Kevin Spacey was the killer…while we were in line to see it. To this day…wtf, lady?
It wasn’t exactly shocking. “Maybe a Jedi will sense him and come looking”. Gee, how many Jedi were out in the wild following Return of the Jedi? The only real question I had was whether he’d be off-screen, face covered, re-cast, or, as in fact happened, straight out of the uncanny valley.I mean, maybe people are watching on a tablet or phone, and it probably looked ok? But he looked pretty bad on an 80″ 4k.
I thought that, Asohka Tano had already said that Grogu would call out to a Jedi, and who else could be at this stage? Plus we know Luke was actively recruiting.What I hate more than spoilers though are recaps at the beginning of episodes (granted you can often skip them). The selection of clips makes it very clear what is about to happen, or at least what plot points/characters are about to re-occur.
Could have been Ezra Bridger from Rebels. A lot of folks were guessing it could be Mace Windu. Skywalker was always a possibility, but it wasn’t until I saw this dumb shit on Friday afternoon that I was SURE it would be him.
Apparently my photo didn’t attach, but he posted a selfie of his grinchy ass shushing the internet on Instagram.
I know Dave Filoni loves working Clone Wars stuff in (which I’ve started watching in an effort to understand more of this!) but I think only Windu would have said anything like the same recognition and I think it would be some egregious bollocks if he was still alive.My extend Universe knowledge is a bit limited which is I suppose what made me assume it’d be Luke.
Or Cal Kestis could have even been a remote possibility, since the events and characters in video games seems to be making into the Show in small ways (Dark Troopers, Operation Cinder, Krayt Pearls) and Cameron Monaghan is a perfectly good actor.
It absolutely could not have been Bridger. This reveal needed to be one that everyone could recognize and not another Niche Cameo.
Mace Windu? What? How? He flew out a window high up on Corsuscant. I get people like to have fun speculating, but Mace is beyond a stretch, that’s a bigger stretch than Kal from Fallen Order.With Ezra still “missing”, and Ahsoka actively still looking for him and Thrawn, Ezra was an obvious no to me as well, Luke was the only real, common sense, obvious answer, or so it seemed I guess.
Boba Fett fell into a Sarlac Pit. Darth Maul was CUT IN HALF and fell into a bottomless pit. Palpatine was hurled into a similarly bottomless pit.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yeah, Mace Windu returning would have been dumb but it would have been entirely precedented within Star Wars.
oh, look at mr. fancypants BigBucks over here with his 80″ TV!
The deep Nerd community was hoping it was Cal Kestis from the recent Video game or Ezra Bridger from Rebels. It was never going to be either of those, because the Nerd community can’t discern when fanservice can be appropriately applied and when it can’t.
Yes the show already gave us Bo Katan and Ahsoka, but the finale moment had to be one where EVERYONE watching the Program would gasp, not just people who played the game or watched the cartoon.
These people with sadly little to do with their lives are now speculating that the lieutenant, who fair to say got a weird amount of screen time, is another Rebels character, but they just didn’t reveal it.
We live in this gratification culture where people don’t understand that things can’t be tailor made for them.
Is it me or did Luke appear to have a Jedi Mind Zit on his chin?
I am extremely cautious about spoilers and don’t assume anything about what people know. Which is how I avoided spoiling Fight Club for someone …… last year.
I’m one that hates spoilers. I like going into shows/movies blind and not knowing what to expect. I do realize there is a time limit and after a certain point I only have myself to blame. But the stuff I generally really care about I see right away and stay off social media until after. It’ll always remind me of this Martin Freeman interview he did for Hobbit Trilogy. It was before the 3rd movie came out and they were talking about Smaug and casually brought up what happens. The interviewer asked him, well isn’t that a spoiler? He said well the book has been out for 75 years, so…
Star Wars? Feh!I was hoping for another animated Batman series with him proving once and for all who the REAL Joker is…
Yes I am silly. (Sort of…)
of course the real “spoiler” is that kylo ren kills grogu.
People know where internet spoilers are most likely to show up, just from past experience. If they truly want to avoid them, they can.
I’ve really been enjoying The Mandalorian, with its world building, new characters, serialized storytelling, etc.Having a Skywalker show up just ruins it for me. Why does the entire fucking Star Wars universe revolved around this one stupid family? The Mandalorian proved you don’t need Skywalkers to be successful, as did Rogue One. And yet, they brought one in anyways. It just felt cheap and an easy resolution to the story line.
Spoiler timelines differ depending on the medium.
TV, where everyone generally watches at the same time/it becomes available for streaming everywhere at the same time, gets a shorter window. Maybe 24-48 hours. Disney’s MO seems to be a “wait until Monday” approach, for anything that premieres on Friday.
Movies, where there is a wide range of times to see it, should get a week post release.
the biggest problem I had with gizmodo spoiler aqrticles waqs always the headlines, for the longest time they would just drop the spoiler into it. it’s gotten better over the years which I appreciate.
He’s announcing his joining of the Trump party, got a him a sweet ass chair running the space fleet division, aliens better watch out for the Skywalker
Anybody who read that without already knowing would still not know after reading it. So how is that a spoiler?
It’s funny because all the superfans (myself included) on twitter and io9 were like “NO WAY CAN’T BE LUKE” and came up with a bunch of other bullshit theories. My wife was like “huh, who else would it have been?”
This is the exact crap im talking about – youtube thumbnails spoil every damn piece of this show to the point i could tell you the entire season nearly without seeing it (i binged before the finale bc i knew otherwise it would be spoiled by YT thumbnails)
Don’t tell him I said it but I admire the one hit wonder who nevertheless has managed to stay relevant for 43 years and counting. The Force is indeed with him.
TPTB should have just re-cast Luke Skywalker with Sebastian Stan. Looks close enough and definitely can do the stunt work.
Wait….hamil was actually involved in that Mando finale? Even though the voice sounded nothing like him? And the “de-aging” made him look like a PS3 cutscene?Seriously, the effects work on Fischer and Tarkin in Rogue One looked way better.
He’s been a good sport to the StarWars fandom for most of his life, I think he is more than allowed to be a bit cheeky with a spoiler not spoiler.
Honestly I just watched both seasons last night because of this article…….A+ on The Mandalorian being a very bite size Star Wars per episode.C- on The Mandalorian being two seasons of that bit in Return of the Jedi where the Ewoks are lead into battle.P.S. Way back in the day I had a stack of Red Neck Jedi jokes. Baby Yoda walked right into “You know you are a Red Neck Jedi, If you use the force to grab snacks.”. Some of it was endearing but the Frog Lady episode just absolutely killed any love I might have had for the character.
His tweet spoiled it for me, but I didn’t really care. That’s my own fault.
Mark didn’t spoil anything and this article is pointless.
Would love for Luke to stop popping up in things. Loved The Mandalorian Season 2. Would really really love for Luke to stop popping up in things.
Hay Gorgu, I know that you escaped when my dad tried to kill you, but I’ve killed him now so come with me to get murdered by my nephew. I’m a responsible person.
I’ve been arguing with people the last several weekends about “spoiler space time”, wherein some idiot thinks we all are sitting on our asses and can watch the new episodes as soon as they drop at midnight-ish (NYC time), so can spoil away at 1am.First of all, fuck you.Second of all, some people still have a schedule/job and are in bed by midnight, so can’t watch it THIS VERY SECOND.Third of all, fuck you for thinking everyone CAN watch it THIS VERY SECOND.Fourth of all, guck you for not thinking, period.Fifth of all, 24-48 hours for TV shows in “prime time”, one week for movies was a generally accepted universal rule. Even then the Big Spoilers are still shtum for at least a month, regardless of media.
(Comics seem ot have completely fallen off the list, with some news sources reporting same day, others adhering the 24 hour rule.)Sixth of all, do NOT deny you’re an asshole when you go spouting off Spoilers for ANYTHING new in a public forum, whether it be social media or the breakroom at work.
(YES, I had some third shift fucker blab spoilers the night Rise of Skywalker dropped, just because he had already seen it. I was grabbing my coat to leave when he did it. Numerous People in the room called him out on it.)
“He was digitally de-aged to appear as Luke Skywalker”He wasn’t deaged. The actor portraying Luke Skywalker, Max Lloyd-Jones, had a CGI face pasted over his own.
Back when the prequals were coming out and people were camped outside of the theaters to get tickets to the first showing in NYC, the radio show Opie and Anthony sent one of their guys out to the theater with a megaphone. He yelled out spoilers as he drove by. People were so pissed. It was fucking hysterical.