UPDATE: Nirvana responds to Nevermind baby’s refiled lawsuit
Nirvana’s estate has until January 27 to reply to the refiled suit
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UPDATE, Feb. 1: As reported by SPIN, Nirvana has filed a second motion to dismiss Spencer Elden’s lawsuit. In documents obtained by the publication, Nirvana’s attorney says “this case must end.” The band also asked the court “for an order dismissing this action, with prejudice [and] on the ground that it is barred by the statute of limitations.”
There will be a hearing on February 24 in Los Angeles.
Spencer Elden—the man who appeared on the album art for Nirvana’s Nevermind as a baby—has refiled his lawsuit against the band, alleging that the photograph constitutes as child pornography.
As previously reported on January 4, a judge had dismissed Elden’s initial lawsuit after Elden missed the deadline to file an opposition to Nirvana’s lawyer’s request. Nirvana’s estate asked for the suit to be dropped due to the statute of limitations expiring in 2011 and Elden’s prior history of profiting off and proudly touting being the “Nirvana Baby.” Elden previously participated in numerous photoshoots to celebrate the album’s anniversaries over the years.
Elden was given a January 13 deadline to adjust the suit, and according to court documents seen by The A.V. Club (and first obtained by Deadline), he refiled the suit on January 12. In the suit, Elden’s attorney Robert Lewis alleges that the defendants “knowingly possessed, transported, reproduced, advertised, promoted, presented, distributed, provided, and/or obtained child pornography depicting Spencer, who had not attained the age of 18 years when this image was printed on the cover of Nirvana’s Nevermind album.”
Additionally, Lewis also cites Kurt Cobain’s journal entries as “proof” that the band had pedophilic intentions with the album art, using the following entry as one of the examples:
I haven’t masturbated in months because I’ve lost my imagination. I close my eyes and I see my father, little girls, German Shepards & TV news commentators, but no voluptuous, pouty lipped, naked-female sex kittens, wincing in ecstasy from the illusory positions I’ve conjured up in my mind. No, when I close my eyes I see lizards & flipper babies, the ones who were born deformed because their mothers took bad birth control pills. I’m seriously afraid to touch myself.
As The A.V. Club previously reported, with Elden making the new deadline, Nirvana’s estate now has until January 27 to reply to the refiled suit.
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that journal entry is really hard to fit into that narrative.
It pretty clearly seems to being suggesting the exact opposite of what they claim it does.
Yup. Aside from the only type of baby being mentioned is a flipper baby, Cobain seems to be saying that images like that are specifically stopping him getting aroused.
How cool was it when Kurt was photographed wearing a Flipper t-shirt?
NOT cool. Have you not seen The Cove? It was really cool when he wore the Gentle Ben commemorative sports jacket, however.
What are you talking about, a flipper baby is obviously a reference to the kid swimming, like with flippers!
You’re probably just being snarky and I’m not catching it- if I’m being thick, I apologize- but flipper babies were born in the mid-60s to early 70s to women who were prescribed Thalidomide, an undertested drug that helped women avoid miscarriages but carried horrific birth defects in the children, most commonly malformed hands attached at the shoulders, without the arms that were supposed to have developed. Hence, Flipper Babies.
Actually, Thalidomide was prescribed for morning sickness, and was not prescribed in the United States as it never passed FDA approval. It did cause serious problems in Europe and Australia because it caused the limbs to not properly develop (both arms and legs).
Speaking from my own experiences, it’s frankly insulting to even suppose what Elden and his lawyer are reading into that journal entry – not to mention they’re quoting and misinterpreting the personal journal of a troubled man, who can’t defend himself anymore. Struggling with depression, migraines, insomnia, and horrible nightmares whenever I did get myself to sleep, I had a hard time maintaining sexual relationships during my teens and early twenties. The horrid thoughts and imagery from my dreams tended to pop up at the most inopportune moments, and it was a very hard thing to explain to anyone – if anything, I think it’s quite brave of Cobain to be capable of confiding these flashes of horror to the page.Even now, as a forty-year-old, there are times I suddenly recall memories of that awful period at random moments, and it still chills me to the bone. So yeah, this is hitting me on a very personal level.
Flipper babies, eh? Let me just go check ,,, ,, ,,,, , ,,,
Yeah, when you’re trying to call someone a pedophile, you might not wanna use an example of him specifically saying that he finds the very thought of children to be a boner killer
And not just children! He’s describing a total loss of sexual imagination, possibly as a result of medication he was taking to treat his mental illness. He’s saying that while he should be fantasizing about the (adult) groupies who are available to him because he’s a rock star, he has no interest in sex of any kind because his mind wanders to other problems in the world. In fact, the mention of deformed babies seems to imply that he’s worried about having children who will suffer from some of his own personal struggles. This is not a guy who places a naked baby on an album cover because he is sexually interested in babies.
That’s a stretch that Mr Fantastic would struggle to manage.
He’s got less legs to stand on than Christopher Reeve.
It should be noted that the journal was being kept by a bipolar heroine addict who had a really, really, really weird sense of humor. He very well could have included that entry for the express purpose of freaking out anybody who read it thinking they’d get some kind of insight into his psyche. He’d be laughing his ass off right now if he was alive.
I don’t think that was his purpose at all. Sure, he did have a dark sense of humor, but it was his way of dealing with anxiety and depression, so it came from a sincere place – at least, that’s my interpretation.
Possibly. It could have been just to make himself laugh.
More likely, it’s you making a laughing matter out of anything you don’t understand. Yeah, that fits.
I’ve heard Courtney Love called many things, but not a heroine.
And it’s probably the fifth or sixth most normal Cobain journal entry
He appears to be saying, in fact, a mosquito, his libido
This just in, the Estate of Rin Tin Tin has filed a lawsuit against Nirvana claiming that Kurt thought about German Shepherds when he couldn’t get a boner and that means….something bad about German Shepherds.
Henry Rollins did a bit in one of his spoken word albums in which he talked about this very thing, the intrusive boner-killing thought when he was jacking it: “Pretty lady, pretty lady, pretty lady–HITLER”.
I call that the “Hey that porn star kinda looks like my sister” effect.
Which is a boner killer for 75% of the population. The other 25% are why the “step” siblings tab exists on pornhub
I’m reliably informed that the videos which best serve the “I just happened to notice this performer looks like my sister” viewer, are tagged as “not her brother”, “not his sister”, “not son” and “not daughter” etc. Like, to the limits of grammar. “Busty mom takes road trip with not her son” or “Dad seduced by not his daughter and BFF”….but I just heard this is how it is, I don’t know for sure of course. Of course.
I don’t get it? Why would thinking of Hi…… …oh no what a giveaway
Sometimes you need those distractions…
…“is really hard”…I see what you did there.
That journal entry was about as dark as fanta black.Seriously? Thalidomide babies.
Maybe he is suing because he doesn’t like to be known as the ultimate boner killer?
“But it says “sex” and “babies” in the same paragraph!”
I think they used the wrong quote. There is another, much more relevant quote, about Kurt’s original plans for that album cover.
Basically he wanted it to look like the kid was swimming in cum.
Not that that changes anything, really. This case is ridiculous, and should have been thrown out with prejudice the first time.
The great lesson here is…maybe not use naked children on your album cover.
Nah the lesson is to let the baby drownEdit: this is a joke, don’t drown babies. Unless they turn into the Nevermind guy
And Baby Hitler. Society has deemed it acceptable to kill Baby Hitler if and when time travel is invented.
I went back in time to kill baby Thanos, but all it did was create an alternate timeline with no Thanos.
See, that’s why you go back in time and bang Peggy Carter. It won’t have any affect on the timeline, but you still get to bang a woman who looks exactly like Hayley Atwell.
I’d be too intimidated to bang Peggy, especially after she banged Steve Rogers.
Fair. Maybe just find that random SSR soldier played by Natalie Dormer. She seemed up for a good time.
I’d bang Peggy while she had a crush on Skinny Steve before the serum. Clearly, her standards were low!
What if it turned out, after Steve went back in time and the novelty of seeing him died down, If Peggy was like “You know the muscles and everything are great and all, but you are totally not my type” and then dumped his ass to hook up with some scrawny dude with a tiny body with a giant CGI’d head on top of a good looking guy
Coming this fall to Disney Plus!
Would it make a difference if it turned out that the super-soldier formula was sexually transmissible?
If that was the case, then I’d go straight to the source and bang Captain America myself.
I mean, that’s America’s dick!
Fair. He can do this all day.
Something tells me that if you couldn’t score with Hayley Atwell in 2022, you’re not going to be able to make it with Peggy Carter in 1945.
Have you seen your average 1945 American man? He is a chain smoking alcoholic asshole with undiagnosed PTSD. He has a pasty complexion on account of the fact that “nutrition” in the 40 and 50s mostly revolved around eating organ meat and potatoes and the only veggies or fruits you ate were mixed into jello molds. So we may have a chance!!
We’ve already been over this. Cosmic Ghost Rider tried to kill Thanos as an infant and it ended disastrously!
“Okay, first of all, that’s horrible…”
Maybe time travelers have determined that killing Hitler results in an even worse outcome
Pft, what do time travellers know? Just because they’ve actually lived through the results of changing timelines? I prefer to do my own research.
Oh, that worked out fine…
Yeah, you might end up with a leader of Germany in the 1940s who was militarily competent. That might be worse.
No, no, no. Not killing Baby Hitler. I want a chance to sit down across from him and explain what’s going to happen in great detail. Like, research the living hell out of everything and roadmap it out for him until he gets that sparkle in his eyes. Then when he gets up to leave, shoot him in the back of the head.
I think I’d like to find an ironclad way to prove to him that I was from the future, then tell him that his Reich will collapse, he’ll die by his own hand as the Allies defeat him, and that he will be reviled throughout history. I’ll then tell him that I know all the mistakes he’ll make and how to avoid them. And then I’ll vanish back into the timestream in front of him.
But… win or lose, he caused the deaths of a lot of people. I mean, a LOT of people. Not gonna put a bullet in him, just gonna leave him and 70-85 million people hanging? Or were you keeping something in your pocket for the sequel?
I’m working on the theory (posited by another commenter above) that meddling with the timestream has too many unknown consequences and we could theoretically get something worse by killing him, so psychological torture is the next best thing.(Of course, possibly even telling him will change things, but I’m hoping it’s just enough to make his life miserable without wrecking causality.)
I’m not sure that telling him that it all went pear-shaped when he invaded the USSR and instead inferring that he should maybe play friendly with Stalin and perhaps collaborate with him in developing the atomic bomb, is really a desirable outcome.
Look, if this is the kind of criticism I’m going to get any time I announce my Hitler plans, I’ll just go back to my first time-travel idea: telling Nostradamus to include the words “9/11 was an inside job” in his prophecies.
Can you also tell him to say that the Mayans were right about 2012? We could have done with a bit more thinning of the herd 10 years ago
The fuel of the speedy, flying contraptions Cannot melt the steel girders of the twins
I mean, we wouldn’t have Trump and we’d speak at least 3 languages… depends on your definition of a desirable outcome?
Any outcome that results in me having to wear lederhosen and listen to schlager music is not a desirable one.
Oktoberfest is a blast.
Not when it’s a mandatory uniform every day…
Again with the kink shaming! Besides, it’d be more like grey slacks tucked into knee high boots and sharply tailored suit coats. Or leather gimp suits. Kinda hard to say, Germany has been kinda weird for a while now.
but flip side: Lots of beer and sausages.
All you actually have to do with Hitler is suggest a few alternate art schools he should apply to.
Hitler, there was a painter. He could paint an entire apartment in one afternoon! Two coats!
Not like Winston Churchill, with his CIGARS and his BRANDY…
I think I’d like to find an ironclad way to prove to him that I was from the futureI’m pretty sure it’s impossible to prove that you are from the future. Even if you tell him not to invade Russia, that’s just good advice which no one will appreciate because they never invaded Russia, not proof you are from the future.Also telling Hitler not to invade Russia would create a paradox, because you travelled back in time to use “the Nazis lost in Russia” as a way of proving you’re from the future, but then you stopped Hitler invading Russia, so how can you have the knowledge that he invaded Russia, if he never invaded Russia? This is interestingly different to the “grandfather paradox” since it’s not about you not having a reason to come back in time at all, but in some ways it feels like a much more difficult problem to solve… You come back, you tell Hitler one thing, but if this doesn’t convince him, you no longer even know what it was you said to him… or do you say “Hey Hitler what did I advise you when I arrived?” and then your personal past changes to you coming back in time with the knowledge that you told Hitler not to invade Russia, and that’s how you proved you were from the future.But then how can you have come back in time knowing to tell Hitler not to invade Russia, if knowing that is based on you remembering going back in time and asking Hitler what you told him that didn’t change the future since it never happened because you…[KERNAL PANIC]
[YOUR REALITY NEEDS TO BE RESTARTED]
As far as proving I’m from the future goes, I’d use a variation of the ‘Groundhog Day method: travel somewhere Hitler’s going to be; film the scene furtively from a decent vantage point; study the film obsessively; travel back there again and run into Hitler; accurately predict everything that’s going to happen a second before it does so, showing that I have foreknowledge of the future.It should at least prove I can see the future with perfect clarity, so he’ll believe what I tell him.
I think the time to get Hitler is just after the Beer Hall Putsch, by some accounts he considered suicide before the trial, lay it all on him then (maybe also engineer some less sympathetic judges to drive the point home).
The problem is by that point he already had a following so all I’d be doing is creating a power vacuum that would undoubtedly be filled. I think I probably need to get him when he first joins Army intelligence and is sent to infiltrate the Socialist Workers Party. Then he’d just be another scrub dead on the streets.
By all accounts, Hitler was the most charismatic leader the Nazi party had and he only eventually got into power through some ridiculous parliamentary shenanigans. I’m not sure anyone filling his the void would be as successful. My logic was logic was that the trial itself raised his profile considerably and of course the publication of Mein Kampf from prison, and that before that happened you might strike a blow that would actually throw the party into disarray.
But you’re right, it’s a gamble and might have been too late as he’d already shaped the direction of the party and its propaganda.
Yeah, his time in prison and Mein Kampf was definitely the turning point so the logic is sound and valid. I still ain’t waiting that long. =P
You’d be forced to replace him yourself as party leader. You try to steer the party toward liberal democracy, but each attempt gets stymied somehow, and to keep the party from falling into the hands of an ideologically worse, yet more competent than Hitler, leader, you are forced to keep moving it in the same direction. Ultimately, you play out the same mistakes Hitler made, only delayed by a few weeks. So all you accomplish is moving VE day from May to June.
If I replaced him I’d change the party into a rolling D&D LARP complete with authentic swords and armor. That ought to make it fairly easy to dismiss the whole thing as lunacy and cut down on the amount of non-Nazi deaths significantly.
Here’s how you take care of Hitler without murder: buy all of his paintings when he’s a struggling artist. Give him a stipend to make more. Moderately successful artist Hitler will disappear into obscurity.
OK plan, except that a baby isn’t going to understand any of that.
Don’t put baby killing on me. I don’t work like that. I’m killing adult Hitler, though I do find it amusing to be sitting there with his parents explaining to Baby Hitler that he’s more or less responsible for the deaths of millions of people and the attempted genocide of the Jews in that cutesy baby voice.
But then I’d have to kill his parents to make sure they didn’t try that shit again and that draws attention…
That scene from Downfall, only when Hitler reaches the end of his rant and is finally broken, everyone in the room with him is you with a Luger.
I like this plan… That’s me, left of center.
You already went back in time and failed to kill bb Hitler.
What? Then which baby did I kill?
Brian
Everyone knows you have to go for the soft spot on Baby Hitler’s skull.
indeed, you have to throw the blond wig into the corner so he turns around and a little star will appear
My album cover is Baby Yoda wrestling Baby Hitler. Naked.
Now that is what I call porn!!
If a motivation to kill baby Hitler is what eventually leads someone to actually invent the time machine, wouldn’t that paradox make reality implode on itself?
If you have access to baby Hitler, you could adopt him & raise him right to be a loving, responsible dude.
Don’t drown babies.
I’m Nilus, and I approve this message.
How is that the lesson? Because someone filed a clearly frivolous lawsuit after spending his entire life trying to cash in on being on said album cover? It will be a hell of a lesson when this gets thrown out as nonsense.
No, the lesson is don’t spend most of your life capitalizing on the one thing that’s ever happened in your life, and then turn around and sue, claiming that event fucked you up.
I’d be maybe a little sympathetic to the whole “this whole event fucked me up!”angle if, even leaving aside all the shameless pandering and profiting he’s been doing over the years, literally the only way anyone would know it was him to begin with is if he tells them it’s him.
You listening Winwood, Clapton…well…Baker and Grech have gone to their final reward?!
No, it’s not. Don’t validate this guy’s bullshit.
Imagine how stupid you have to be if your takeaway from all this is… this.
“Let’s do this PUNK style!”Punk style is usually a bad idea. There’s a reason it’s punk. See: Boomers.
There have been naked kids on album covers for ages, but none of them have ever tried to sue before this guy. Led Zeppelin, Blind Faith, Sebadoh, Sharon Van Etten.
Even the girl from the Scorpions’ “Virgin Killer” album didn’t take legal action, and if anyone ever had a good reason to it was her.
Shit, do you think Anne Geddes is scared to death right now. Just think about how many naked porno baby pictures she took and sold!!!!!Seriously fuck this guy. He wasn’t even that hot of a baby, no one spanked it to him
That dollar bill though, total smokeshow
That’s how it starts, with a single dollar bill. But soon, that’s not enough. You can’t get it up for anything less than a twenty, then a hundred. Finally you’re so jaded that you end up getting into the real kinky stuff, like crypto.I don’t beat off to NFTs, though. I’m not a pervert.
Way to kink shame, jerk. Where’s my Dogecoin NFT?!?!?!/fapfapfapfapfap
I mean, I cum instantly when I right click on an NFT but that’s different
Once you funge it, it’s okay.
I keep it in a dark moist place, which I’m told is the proper environment
Admit it, it’s George Washington being on it that turns your crank. Ooh, those sexy Founding Fathers…
The truth can finally be told about the real reason why everyone loved Hamilton.
“He wasn’t even that hot of a baby”-Nilus
I’m more concerned about the makers of the game Elden Ring. Talk about bad press!
“He wasn’t even that hot of a baby, no one spanked it to him”Such an arrogant sweeping assumption. You don’t speak for me, asshole.
um well i wouldnt say “no one” … not me of course, i had friend that was dared to do it on a bet yea and uh so anyways.. but i dont think that bae is that hawt at all. Ive seen hotter
This whole thing was already stupid and kind of ugly, but now Elden is making insinuations about the sexual tendencies of a man who’s dead and can’t defend himself, on the (incredibly shaky) basis of a private diary entry and it’s just gone in a whole new direction of sleazy. Fuck this guy.
Seriously, time for Grohl and Novoselic to counter-sue for defamation and start bleeding this guy dry financially. “Oh, NOW you want to drop the suit? Too late, motherfucker!”What lawyer took this on anyway? Does he honestly think there’s a settlement on offer here?? He can’t be getting paid much, if anything, from Elden.
What lawyer took this on anyway?
He’s very good.
Yep. Or
I guarantee there’s nothing in that lawyer’s briefcase except shredded up newspapers.
Say hello to Miguel Sanchez!
They can certainly out lawyer him if they want to. There’s only so much his lawyer will do on contingency before he sees a diminishing return on his investment and cuts bait.
Elden: Wait, so you don’t work on contingency? Lawyer: No! Money down! Oops, shouldn’t have this bar association logo here either…
What lawyer took this on anyway?
The kinda people who sue like this are generally not bleedable. Any judgment against them puts you in line behind the rest of their creditors.Seriously, there’s a point where the court should be able to tell a plaintiff, “Look, I can’t stop you from filing that suit again, but if you file it again and miss any deadlines or lose, you’re going to jail for a month’s worth of weekends.”
Financially? Probably not. But once his lawyer calls it a day, he’s financially destitute and has to show up to court to defend himself against counter-suits he’ll drop this like a hot rock. The band could fully wreck his life if they were so inclined.
Sitting in a courtroom for hours on end, not to mention the depositions, endless Zoom conferences, and of course the Hollywood-lawyer-sized bills .. probably the extreme last resort for Grohl and Partners. Surely this guy is out of money, and his Saul Goodman attorney is working on contingency and is convinced he can get a “here’s $250,000 – take it or leave it” deal for their client.
I mean, if they were to win the case, literally tens of millions of people become guilty of possessing child pornography overnight. It’s been wholly absurd from the onset and this new development is just sad.
I’m 39, is that too young to tell him to knock it off and get a job?
A four year old’s got a better work ethic than this dude.
No, that’s the Offspring, not Nirvana, wrong end of the decade.
I’m forty, and the first CD I ever bought was Bleach, in 1989. My grandmother, who lived in a tiny rural Belgian town, knew I really loved music, so for my eighth birthday she got me a gift card from the only record store in town. Thing was, it happened to be specialized in heavy metal – I still recall the name of that shop, ‘DMS’, and my grandma had no idea that was an acronym for ‘Danny’s Metal Store’. So when this kid walked in with a coupon, Danny was like: well, I guess this is somewhat acceptable.So: don’t assume too much, based on someone’s age.
I’d say it’s more Ob la di, ob la da.
If you’re not old enough, maybe I am (49)?
Telling a baby to knock one off is child pornography.
Stop giving this loser media attention. Let his case die in darkness.
He’s just trying to make a living so he doesn’t end up underneath a bridge and the tarp has sprung a leak.
Sometimes when my cat is doing something stupid and just keeps doing it, I ask him ‘don’t you have anything better to do?’ Of course that’s rhetorical, I know he doesn’t have anything better to do – and same with this guy.
Does that ever work on your cat?
Does his breath smell like cat food?
Son of a gun, kid! Give it a rest. Your legal-torial pissings are becoming a drain. Why not dive dive dive into a more constructive hobby? Like cooking fine Mexican seafood? Or take dance lessons and learn to do the twist? Instead you’re just going to take this scoff-able excuse for a lawsuit and just milk it!?AeroZeppelin!
Moist Vagina
Mommy’s little boy ain’t a boy no more.
I hope the response is just “It’s been 30 years. Stop being a baby. “
In regards to refiling, a good lawyer would have just told him “Nevermind”.
Because that’s the title of the album is why.
So, he’s determined to crash the plane into the mountain, huh?
Wait, Harrison Ford got involved?
I was actually thinking the Big Lebowski, but nice one.
This kid is getting absolutely horrible legal advice. Just because you CAN hire Bob Loblaw, does not mean you SHOULD hire Bob Loblaw.
Everybody hated that baby!
Stay tuned for his new CW series Everybody Hates Spencer
This has to be one of the worst guerrilla marketing campaigns for a video game ever.
Bad birth control? Is he talking about thalidomide? That wasn’t birth control. Also how does this prove pedophilia, which I think is the more salient point?
I think maybe by “bad birth control” he means “failed abortion attempts”? It’s hard to tell, yknow, since it’s a private journal entry he probably didn’t intend to be read by millions, so it’s just his unfiltered thoughts.And to answer your second question, it does not prove it, not one bit. This case was always dumb, now it’s just ugly what this kid is trying to do.
This shit sucks.
How exactly is this idiot paying for these lawsuits?
With all the money he made from being the Nevermind baby?
Exactly.
So whats next for the guy? Try sue FromSoftware for stealing his wedding band?
As always, and as has always been the case, since every time people like you have repeatedly asked this same question: plaintiff’s lawyers typically work on contingency.
These types of lawyers work for free until you get a settlement and they get like 10%.
I work with trial lawyers and none that I personally know that are worth anything in the courtroom would have taken this case. I can’t imagine working on contingency in a case this flimsy. Maybe they’re a real-life Lionel Hutz.
I hope this piece of shit gets nailed to the wall.
“I’m seriously afraid to touch myself.”
the wrong person killed himself
Maybe everyone, take this as a hint: controversial stuff is controversial for a reason. You hate this guy? Don’t forget Nirvana put this image out there for the world to consider. Let’s imagine this guy is as bad as everyone thinks he is. No matter how bad he may be, the album cover will ALWAYS give him an audience. Somebody will always have to consider his point out of respect for several fields of human study.Punk is fun, until one realizes WHY it’s punk.
I almost (almost) feel sorry for the guy. It’s about as blatant an admission as anyone could make that they have absolutely nothing else going for them in their life.
The old yelling at cloud man in me wants to yell “get a job”
Why not do what every other talentless hack does and become a social media influencer? Capitalize on his built-in audience, post some videos of himself cooking naked, and get a spot as one of those insufferable YouTube personalities in the HelloFresh commercials. By now he’s burned all of his good will. Then again, he’s clearly got no shame or any skills whatsoever. I’m sure Bravo would give him a TV show once the dust settles.
This guy is definitely going to be a GOP Congressman soon.
What a little fucking leech.
Imagination for masturbation? Geez Kurt I know it was the ‘90’s but weren’t there any dirty movies on the late night cable? Smut mags? Piles of money? Guess it’s a star thing…
It’s a heroin thing. Journal entries of a heroin addict who admired Courtney Love’s personality aren’t the strongest evidence for a lawsuit.
Victoria’s Secret catalogs?…Sears catalogs?
BZZZZZZZT
LOOK DUDE WE SAID NEVERMIND ALREADY
oh well, whatever…
This case should be dismissed and the plaintiff ordered to pay legal fees for the defendant. At some point this whole thing is pointless and frivolous. This guy just keeps suing in hopes of getting a settlement.
someone should smack this loser
I’m not a legal lawyering dude, but I feel like if this cover really was child porn, then whoever designed it – almost certainly not the members of the band – should have faced criminal penalties. A civil case should be proving not criminal wrongdoing, but damages to the plaintiff apart from those. A criminal conviction can SUPPORT a civil case, but I don’t think this dude is entitled to money just because he was the victim of a crime – which it doesn’t seem like he was anyway.
Just give him a wet dollar bill and be done with it.
Can sombody name a band Flipper Baby?
I don’t think the lawyer knows that those words mean when laid out all together in sequence like that…
He’s going about this the wrong way, but the way people treat this guy is disgusting. He was actually a baby, not an adult who authorized the use of a photo taken when he was a baby. His entire life has been spent with the whole world having seen his naked body. If you can’t see how this could traumatize him, I don’t know what to tell you.
He didn’t ask for this. You may think the child pornography thing is BS, but it doesn’t change that fact one bit.
If this is verbatim: knowingly possessed, transported, reproduced, advertised, promoted, presented, distributed, provided, and/or obtained child pornography depicting Spencer, who had not attained the age of 18 years when this image was printed on the cover of Nirvana’s Nevermind albumthen I don’t know why anybody is responding at all. This is bullshit suit from a bullshit lawyer. But more importantly – and I’m neither a lawyer nor an American so forgive me if the answer’s obvious – but… how can you sue someone in civil court for “child pornography”? All those things the lawyer listed above are criminal offences.What is this tomfoolery?
Whatever happened to “blame the parents”?