Daniel Radcliffe is “dramatically bored” of hearing about Will Smith slapping Chris Rock
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Sometimes the hottest take of all is simply not having a hot take. After a whirlwind few days of increasingly wild discourse about Will Smith slapping Chris Rock at the Oscars, one man has emerged as being brave enough to say nothing: Daniel Radcliffe.
The actor was dropping by the television show Good Morning Britain to promote his new movie, the rom-com adventure The Lost City, when he was asked to weigh in on the incident. His response?
“I’m so already dramatically bored of hearing people’s opinions about it that I just don’t want to be another opinion adding to it.”
Also regarding the Oscars, Radcliffe was asked if he’d congratulated his former co-star Kenneth Branagh on winning Best Original Screenplay, but he doesn’t have the Belfast writer/director’s number. Harry Potter And The Chamber Of Secrets came out in 2002, when Radcliffe was 13 years old, so that seems pretty reasonable!
The former boy wizard also shot down rumors of his return to franchise work. He’s a fan-favorite pick for Wolverine for when the X-Men are rebooted, and Good Morning Britain even showed Radcliffe a Photoshop of himself as the adamantium-clawed mutant.
“I keep getting asked about it, and I always try and be like ‘No, it’s not happening, it’s just a Twitter rumor,’” he said. “And everyone keeps taking that as confirmation. It’s just fan theory at the moment, but I welcome the comparison. Who wouldn’t want to be compared to Hugh Jackman?”
Radcliffe, who has maintained a sense of humor about the role that made him famous while also devoting his adult career to much different work, added “Never say never, but that sounds like I’m almost inviting it. I’m sure that Marvel’s watching, being like, ‘We’re not thinking about you, dude, don’t ask us.’”
Radcliffe’s schedule is pretty busy these days, anyways. Besides The Lost City, which is in theaters now, he’s been hard at work filming a Weird Al biopic. His delightful TBS comedy series Miracle Workers was recently renewed for a fourth season.
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I just fucking love him!
“Celebrities, they’re just like us” actually holds a little water with Radcliffe. He seems like a thoroughly normal dude. In fact none of the HP child actors seems to have gone off the deep end, which is pretty remarkable.
Given that none of them have had any sort of meltdown or freak-out suggests to me that someone on the sets made sure to make it a healthy environment for them.
I’d like to read that story.
It probably also had to do with their parents not stealing their earnings or working them like show horses.
Right? Who was the Child Wizard Wrangler on set, and have they been given a big promotion by Warner Bros?
Rearange 2 of those words
Now this is a man who knows when it’s not about him. Are you taking notes, Amy Fucking Schumer?
And Jim Carrey. And Wanda Sykes. And Sarah Jessica Parker. And…
To be fair, Wanda Sykes was directly asked about it, and she only said that Chris Rock said that HE wished it could be about her.
Wanda Sykes said that traumatized her? She must have led a very sheltered life. OK, as bad as ‘the slap’ was, its hardly traumatizing to an adult.
Exactly. Sykes gets the same, “Shit, that was weird” leeway as Schumer and King.
Jim Carrey and Sarah Jessica Parker get no say. Fuck them.
What did SJP do? Jezebel had an article praising her for dodging the question.
I don’t get why they keep mentioning SJP. She was asked about it and she avoided the question and walked away. Really dumb of them to bring her up like she inserted herself into any of this.
Sorry, why was one of the hosts of the Oscars not allowed to comment about what happened at the Oscars event she was hosting?
Because she made it all about the “trauma” she felt from not witnessing it because she was in the back changing costumes.
Here is who has the right to feel trauma right now over this:
1) Chris Rock, who got slapped
2) Questlove, whose moment got taken away, or at least diluted
3) Jada Pinkett Smith, for the insult
4) Will Smith, who has to live with the fact that his idea of defending his wife’s honor is to hit someone smaller and NOT actually knock the man down.
That’s it. That’s the list. No one else gets trauma out of this. Stop trying to steal it. It’s not yours.
Eat shit. How about that? How about YOU dont get to decide who reacts how.Now kindly go fuck off and die.
That’s a good call, deciding who gets to feel traumatized over something happening. Definitely the right take on all this, for sure.Also your fourth point is super gross. What the hell.
Well, you can stay concerned over a white woman’s trauma when a black man slaps a black man to defend a black woman and, in the process, take away glory from another black man who produced a documentary celebrating black musicians.
I choose other.
Okay so as a Black woman, I’m gonna go ahead and call entire bullshit on this.
Oh shut up. Bob doesn’t get to decide, but neither does Amy Schumer.
the part that always drives me nuts is everyone using the term “Trauma” and “traumatizing” so loosely.Trauma is when something happens, which makes you fear for your life, and you then have difficulty because of it going on/forward in your life. Typically it refers to a “life-threatening incident whether real or perceived” but watching some billionaire movie star get slapped across the face on a tv broadcast USUALLY doesn’t equate to “feeling my life endangered”.
But, you know, what do I know. I may be taking the concept of PEOPLE HAVING TRAUMA OVER HORRIFIC THINGS LIKE WAR, MURDER, ABUSE, RAPE and such “too seriously” and not allowing everyone their feelings on being traumatized by slaps, insults, name-calling, mean spirited tv shows, insulting politicians, storylines they don’t like, friends being bullies, sad things, etc.I mean, maybe I’m traumatizing someone by telling them what the actual definition of trauma is. I’m just as much a monster as say, Putin, or Hitler, or, er, Will Smith.
Whobthebfuck is traumatized when one rich man slaps another lmao. Did someone die?
Still got your cape on for Amy?
Interesting…so a person isn’t allowed to feel trauma from violence that happened unless they were personally directly involved, or had a “diluted” moment, which I guess Amy’s hosting of the Oscar’s moment wasn’t “diluted” at all…
You know who isn’t fucking carrying on like Schumer? Wanda Sykes and Regina Hall.
Did she “carry on,” or did she make one Instagram post?
Ok, so we’ll all just shut up about it while you keep lecturing us about who gets to feel what. According the the World Health Organization, 1 in 3 women are victims of violence and 1 in 4 men. That’s a lot of us.
You had me at “you’ll all shut up”
YOU DON’T GET TO DECIDE SHIT!
Yes. I do. I was elected. You missed the vote. Be quiet now.
I POLITELY DISAGREE WITH THIS STATEMENT!
OBJECTION NOTED!
This is far from the first time PoCs were told to “be quiet” on this site and it won’t be the last, is it?
i don’t think lecturing everyone in general on something is specific to POC’s here, honestly, most commentators are a$$holes to just about anyone, and rarely care about the color of their skin to tell them just what kind of a$$hole they think they are.What I’m saying is, EVERYONE is a dick to everyone here, color be damned.Which, I guess, is a good thing?
You just sound weird. And you care a whole bunch.
I bet they care…a lot.
Shut up, Bob.
agree. There are degrees of distress. Something like watching a grown man slap another grown man can be anything from funny, ridiculous, strange, out of place, even disturbing. But traumatizing? I’ve seen someone get hit by a car and thrown 50 feet in the air into a tree. Thats something I’ll never forget.
You really that sheltered that you think a slap is meant to knock someone down or defending someone else’s honor? A slap is a “stop, you outta line”. Welcome to Chinese 101. We don’t got no time for that “what kinda man slap and not hit? He couldn’t even knock the man down” toxic masculinity bullshit
But if I don’t get enough trauma it traumatises me! I need trauma.Wait… it’s Troma I like. Sorry.
what the fuck is wrong with you?
Because Bob already didn’t like her and was just waiting for an excuse.
Yeah, you standup comic. Don’t make jokes!!!
Yeah, she was only one of the hosts of the show who had to carry on the rest of the show in the dramatically changed environment from the one she expected, and seeing someone who does exactly her job getting attacked a few minutes prior, but yeah, she’s in exactly the same position as some rando who wasn’t even there (as far as I know) and should keep her mouth shut just like him.
Then use those words. “That was weird. I’m proud of how we carried on.”
Not, “I’m so triggered. I’m so traumatized. I feel sick. Wahhhh. Look at me! Pay me attention!”
Trauma and trigger are words for people who have actually suffered violence.
“I’m so triggered. I’m so traumatized. I feel sick. Wahhhh. Look at me! Pay me attention!”So first of all, she didn’t say this, so you making up a quote and telling her not to say it is not going to make her not say what she already never said.Second of all, I mean…why shouldn’t she use the words that describe how she felt? And you were praising Wanda Sykes for not “carrying on,” but she also said she felt “physically ill” and “traumatized,” so… She was also in the back doing a costume change.
“Trauma and trigger are words for people who have actually suffered violence.”This is nonsense. Well it’s true, but it’s not the only thing that’s true. You can suffer trauma and be triggered without having been the actual physical target of violence. I hope you do actually know that and are just posturing here to make a point.
I. do. not. care. about. Amy. Schumer’s. feelings. on. this. matter.
I do not care about the feelings of other stand-up comics. I do not care about the feelings of people sitting in the fifth row. I do not care about Jim Carrey. I do not care about people who feel the need to make this a performative bit of outrage.
Again, here is who I care about:
1) Chris Rock
2) Jada Pinkett Smith, and depending on what we learn about whatever manipulative bullshit she’s pulling on Will, that has a limit.
3) Questlove and his partners
4) Will Smith, for whatever bullshit he’s going through that would cause him to do this and my care for that has a limit.
Oh, I also have some sympathy for people like Zoe Kravitz and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, who actually said, “Man, that was fucked up” and got fucking teed off on.
There, I have empathy.
“I. do. not. care. about. Amy. Schumer’s. feelings. on. this. matter.”It’s just that literally no one asked you to care about her feelings? She didn’t even ask you to care about her feelings. She posted once on her Instagram, targeting her feelings to people who specifically chose to follow her and hear about her feelings. I don’t think anyone in this thread even said they cared about her feelings. I don’t care about her feelings, or Jada’s or Will’s for that matter. I only care about Rock’s insofar as I am interested in the jokes he makes about it a year from now. No one asked you to care and no one gives a shit that you don’t. All anyone said is that she’s allowed to have feelings and she’s allowed to express them. If you don’t want to hear them, tune away, but for you to make these bullshit lists about who you think is allowed to have feelings following an event is just silly. Just because you only want to hear from certain people doesn’t mean they’re the only ones who get to talk. The world does not govern itself according to the preferences of BobWWorfington. If you only want to hear from people on your bullshit list, then only click on articles with those names in them and NOT the names of people who aren’t on your list. It’s super easy!
Y’all still got your cape on for Amy Schumer, since she’s walking around crying about how she couldn’t make fun of Alec Baldwin killing a woman?
She’s a hateful cunt who thinks that if it happens to her, it’s trauma and if it happens to someone else, it’s comedy.
“Y’all” is for multiple people; I’m only one.I never had a “cape on” for Amy Schumer. I literally said I don’t care about her.Also she wasn’t “walking around crying” about her Alec Baldwin joke? She mentioned some of her cut jokes at a comedy show. And yes, it was a bad, deeply unfunny joke.Cute that you think this is some kind of “gotcha” like I care about her public image. I don’t care about her one way or the other. You just need to be honest and admit that you hate her. It’s fine for you to hate her. Just be honest and stop making up all this bullshit about why she can’t be traumatized but Wanda Sykes can.
I. do. not. care. about. Amy. Schumer’s. feelings. on. this. matter.
then don’t… read them? I do not care about your feelings on her feelings so I’m just gonna go back to not knowing you exist.
I made this point in another thread, but here goes again:You can suffer trauma and be triggered without having been the actual
physical target of violence.Sure. But I think the point that Bob is making – one which I agree with 100% – is that witnessing one person slap one other person once does not qualify as ‘traumatic.’
‘Trauma’ is a term that refers to serious, lingering psychological damage that has severe negative consequences for people who experience it. It does not refer to ‘anything that makes me feel bad’ and the fact that obnoxious Twitter losers and rich people have co-opted it as such in order to make themselves look like they’ve actually had to overcome anything in life is both gross and profoundly irritating.
“is that witnessing one person slap one other person once does not qualify as ‘traumatic.’”There are mountains of evidence to the contrary. I encourage you to use your access to the internet to look into how witnessing acts of violence can trigger a trauma response in people even when they were not the targets. By your definition of trauma, it can’t be identified until months or years later, and that’s not the case. Trauma can be identified immediately. PTSD is a long-term condition, but you can suffer trauma without suffering PTSD or severe lingering effects, and furthermore, you have no way of knowing what lingering damage anyone might endure from this. I am sorry for what trauma you have experienced, truly, but you don’t have the monopoly on it such that you get to gatekeep the trauma of others.Bob’s point is that he just hates the hell out of Amy Schumer. If he were really making some point about the larger meaning of trauma he would level the same criticism at Wanda Sykes. Instead he’s praising her.
Hmm… you might be right that Bob feels that way… he did seem to have it especially in for Schumer on the other thread too. I’m not sure. Regardless, I found him here making the same point as I did there, so felt kind of obliged.I am sorry for what trauma you have experienced, truly, but you don’t
have the monopoly on it such that you get to gatekeep the trauma of
others.I appreciate your effort to keep your disagreement amicable (assuming I’m not just being naive in the face of internet sarcasm ofc).This is kind of the point, though: you don’t know that I have ever suffered trauma, unless you’re assuming I have because it’s something that everyone has gone/goes through. In which case, its relevance as a concept is bloated beyond all meaning.We’re now using it to describe experiences ranging from ‘overwhelming, psychosis-inducing horror’ to ‘rich person sees their rich friend get slapped, once.’ We already have words to describe that: shock, or pain, or distress, etc. Those are things that we’ve all had our share of, and people very much have my sympathy for it.
But trying to use a psychological term to add weight to those experiences just reeks of competitive victimhood. The term I used in the other thread was ‘stolen valor’ and I’d stand by that. I don’t think I’m gatekeeping so much as I’m just suggesting the gate
exists at all: I could buy the ‘traumatic’ label if we were talking about Chris Rock,
for instance.There are mountains of evidence to the contrary. I encourage you to use your access to the internet to look into how
witnessing acts of violence can trigger a trauma response in people even
when they were not the targets.I’m sorry, but I think you’ve got this wrong. I don’t mean to sound harsh, you seem like a decent, good faith person, but I’ve gotta take issue with this part of your comment.
First of all, the phrase ‘trauma response’ is super nebulous and, as a term, is just as abused as ‘trauma’ and ‘traumatic.’ People can feel and experience things that might be the same as a trauma response, but it does not mean that they actually have trauma. For instance, I might have a flight-or-fight response to something, but even that doesn’t mean I’d necessarily be traumatized by it.
Secondly – you say that, by my definition, trauma can only be identified years later. Now, I don’t know if I’m 100% committed to that idea, but let’s say I am. I would assume you’re basing this interpretation on the psychological definition of trauma, i.e. PTSD. If that’s the case, I don’t know how you can then confidently state that ‘trauma can be identified immediately’ and that there’s ‘mountains of evidence’ to support this, as such evidence could only be based on pop-psych and internet anecdotes. In which case, your definition of trauma would be the precise thing I’m taking issue with.Third – the term ‘violence’ is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence. I can absolutely understand how, say, witnessing a friend get killed by an IED in Iraq or Afghanistan could be traumatic. I can even see how witnessing a slap might be traumatic – if you’re six years old, and it’s your dad slapping your mom. But if you’re a grown-ass woman, and you’re seeing a celebrity friend get slapped by another celebrity, then that’s a different matter, and I would challenge you to find even a single psychological study that posits something so comparatively mild as being a cause for legitimate trauma in adults.Finally, the evidence. I can find plenty of articles featuring comments from psychologists – these three, for instance – explicitly stating that the word ‘trauma’ is misapplied and overused. The DSM-5 defines it as an experience of ‘actual or threatened death, serious injury, or sexual violence’ which would rule out both Sykes and Schumer automatically.Like I said, I don’t think you’re being bad faith – I just think you’re trying to extend undue sympathy to people who don’t deserve it. Not because they haven’t experienced something, but because they’ve taken a word meant for people who’ve been through some serious shit and applied it to themselves for clout, and I think that’s bullshit.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/10/trauma-books-wont-save-you/620421/https://tampatherapy.com/2019/03/21/misuse-of-the-word-trauma-to-describe-an-experience/https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/22876522/trauma-covid-word-origin-mental-health
Yeah, don’t hitch your wagon to Bob’s star. He’s kind of full of shit.I really was being sincere, and I don’t know what trauma you’ve experienced but I just got the impression that you were irritated with people using the word because you felt like it minimized trauma you have suffered. I don’t think the concept has become bloated. People experience trauma in different ways and are susceptible to be traumatized by different things. A person who grew up in an abusive household could be triggered just by seeing someone yell or punch a wall, which are not things I imagine I personally would feel traumatized by.Fight or flight isn’t a trauma response, so that’s not something I was referring to when I said trauma response. It can be part of a trauma response, but as you say you can have a fight or flight response to a number of stimuli that don’t leave you feeling traumatized. If I see a snake on a trail I might feel fight or flight (and I won’t fight a snake, just so you know), but I’d be fine after I got away.“I would assume you’re basing this interpretation on the psychological definition of trauma”No. I was basing it on what YOU said you thought the definition of trauma was, which was “serious, lingering psychological damage.” You can’t tell if something has had lingering psychological damage until it’s had time to linger, which says to me that you think trauma can’t be immediately identified, and that I disagree with.“But if you’re a grown-ass woman, and you’re seeing a celebrity friend get slapped by another celebrity, then that’s a different matter”You say it is, but as I said above, people are traumatized by different things for dozens of different reasons. It’s not for you or me to say universally that it’s impossible for x type of person to be traumatized by y event. In this case, you have a stand-up comedian seeing a fellow stand-up comedian being physically assaulted for telling a joke, the very thing standup comedian #1 does for a living. Not only physically assaulted, but physically assaulted on live television by a huge star who doesn’t even get made to leave the venue and later accepts one of the pinnacle awards of the evening and *gets a standing ovation.* That’s…a difficult situation, and I’m okay accepting her word that she felt traumatized by it. I imagine nurses feel traumatized when they see or hear about other nurses getting violently attacked by patients in the ER, for instance. “That could be me.” And given how many people think Will did the right thing, Amy is probably thinking it could very well be her one of these days. How do you think that will affect her stand-up going forward? (This is not me saying comedians should be able to tell any mean joke, and won’t someone think about the comedians, just saying it could affect how she goes about her job, not out of compassion but out of fear, which I think qualifies as a “lingering effect.”) Now I’m not a psychologist, but I feel safe saying that if you think I’m about to spend hours of my life reading clinical psych studies for you, you’re crazy.I’m glad you brought up the DSM, because that’s another point I wanted to make. While I have no doubt that the word “trauma” is overused, as is, incidentally, “dramatically” DANIEL, that doesn’t mean it’s misapplied here, and furthermore, trauma is a word that has meaning outside it’s strictest psychological sense. Just like I can say I’m having anxiety about tomorrow’s work meeting without someone saying “YOU DON’T HAVE ALL THE SYMPTOMS OF GENERALIZED ANXIETY DISORDER SO YOU CAN’T SAY YOU HAVE ANXIETY,” or I can say I’m depressed, someone can say they’ve had a trauma without having to meet the strictest clinical definition. You’re allowed to feel irritated by that, of course, but it seems like a waste of feelings and energy on your part, and I feel irritated when people language police other people around their discussion of their own feelings and experiences, especially when it’s something like this when you are completely unable to know exactly how deeply she felt this or will feel it afterwards. It’s harmful to tell people “oh it’s not that bad, you’re an adult.” You never know what wounds are opened up by these experiences, and it’s just…it doesn’t affect you in any way so I don’t see why not just stay out of it. Feel irritated if you want and let it be.
Yeah, don’t hitch your wagon to Bob’s star. He’s kind of full of shit.Hey! This is very much my own star, thanks very much.I really was being sincere, and I don’t know what trauma you’ve experienced but I just got the impression that you were irritated with people using the word because you felt like it minimized trauma you have suffered.I appreciate your sincerity. I’m not gonna discuss my trauma or lack thereof on here, but I get what you’re saying.The main problem I have with what you’ve said above is that there’s a big gap missing from it, which is: you haven’t defined what trauma actually is, in your sense of the word. You’ve given examples of traumatizing situations, none of which I’d disagree with, but you haven’t defined the parameters of that at all. You also talk about policing language, from which I’d infer you’re comfortable just holding ‘trauma’ to mean ‘whatever the person feels that leads them to use the word.’ I might be wrong to infer this, so correct me if I am. But this is what I’m struggling with: you say the concept hasn’t bloated, but your definition of it appears to allow literally anyone to call any negative experience ‘traumatic’ or ‘traumatizing’ or label themselves ‘traumatized.’ The same thing goes for ‘trauma response’: you’ve defined what it isn’t (somehow using the point that I made in my previous post against me, I might add) but not what it is – although at least, there, you imply that there’s some kind of floor to the term.
And, fair enough, I didn’t define my term either, but I’d hope you could infer it from my posts. For clarity’s sake, I would basically defer to the DSM definition but there are definitely things outside of that I would accept being labelled as traumatizing. Again, to point to Chris Rock – I’m sure that he feared for his life during the incident, but it was an unprecedented incident on a massive stage, it was possibly humiliating or emasculating for him, and potentially his career/cancellation status was in the balance. It doesn’t meet DSM criteria but its ramifications are potentially severe enough where I’d accept it if he chose to use that term.A person who grew up in an abusive household could be triggered just by seeing someone yell or punch a wall, which are not things I imagine I personally would feel traumatized by.No, nor would I, but neither would the person who grew up in an abusive household. Being triggered by something is not the same as being traumatized by something. The former points to a re-opening of old wounds, the latter to the creation of a fresh one.Just like I can say I’m having anxiety about tomorrow’s work meeting without someone saying “YOU DON’T HAVE ALL THE SYMPTOMS OF GENERALIZED ANXIETY DISORDER SO YOU CAN’T SAY YOU HAVE ANXIETY,”This is a false comparison because 1) anxiety, as a concept, has been around since Roman times whereas psychological trauma as a concept was defined alongside PTSD. PTSD is literally where we get the concept of ‘trauma’ from. And 2) Anxiety is well-defined emotion which anyone can have, and GAD refers to its uncontrolled manifestation.
Here’s a more apt comparison: Do you think it’s right for some asshole to treat people coldly or meanly and just generally act like a dick, and then excuse said behavior with ‘I’m autistic’ even though they have never actually been diagnosed with it?
“but you haven’t defined the parameters of that at all”Because I don’t need to? I couldn’t possibly try to define what someone else experiences as a trauma. And moreover, it’s actually none of my business what someone else experiences as trauma! I don’t feel the need to insert myself into someone’s own relationship to their feelings.“but your definition of it appears to allow literally anyone to call any negative experience ‘traumatic’ or ‘traumatizing’ or label themselves ‘traumatized.’”That’s where you’re misunderstanding me. I’m not attempting to “allow” anything. That’s the difference between what I’m saying and what you’re saying. I don’t consider it my place to or my business to decide what people are “allowed” to name their own feelings and their own experiences. I literally don’t give a shit if someone labels themselves as “traumatized.” There’s not any danger associated with someone labeling themselves “traumatized” that you think shouldn’t be labeled “traumatized.” lol Like it’s literally a non-point. And furthermore, you can’t objectively decide whether someone is “traumatized” or not based on this third-hand information. You don’t know jack shit about the state of Amy Schumer’s mental health, and yet you feel comfortable diagnosing her and overriding her own description of her feelings just because you think what she experienced wouldn’t have bothered you. There’s a hubris there that is grossing me out a bit.“Do you think it’s right for some asshole to treat people coldly or meanly and just generally act like a dick, and then excuse said behavior with ‘I’m autistic’ even though they have never actually been diagnosed with it?”I don’t think it’s right for some asshole to treat people meanly and just generally act like a dick whether they are autistic or not. But also this comparison doesn’t make sense because what Amy Schumer isn’t do anything bad as a result of calling herself traumatized.At the end of the day, you can’t have any idea whether she experienced a trauma on Sunday. You couldn’t possibly. This is why psychologists generally don’t diagnose people they haven’t even spoken to. Neither of us knows anything about Schumer, and it’s ridiculous to try to say how she should feel. Whatever the definition of trauma is, you can’t have any idea literally at all.
But also this comparison doesn’t make sense because what Amy Schumer isn’t do anything bad as a result of calling herself traumatized.Then I’ll tweak the analogy: do you think it’s okay for someone to, say, miss a social cue or not get a joke or commit a harmless faux-pas, and then when they realize their mistake say: “Oh, sorry, I’m autistic!” even though they have never been diagnosed with that condition?But also this comparison doesn’t make sense because what Amy Schumer isn’t do anything bad as a result of calling herself traumatizedIn a vacuum, no, it’s probably not a big deal. But it is part of a larger trend that is absolutely harmful. Off the top of my head: misinforming the wider population as to what trauma actually is and encouraging faulty self-diagnoses. Which then leads to people seeking out treatments for ailments they don’t have or seeking what they perceive as the correct diagnosis. Which then leads to resources being used up by people without the need for them, and people treating themselves using inappropriate methods or otherwise failing to deal with what they’re actually experiencing.Besides which, on a moral level I consider it grossly hubristic to take a word describing a specific thing which you do not have and make it about yourself. To take a word created specifically to describe the psychological suffering faced by war vets, CSA, rape, incest and other abuse survivors, and those who have faced the threat of death and/or witnessed the deaths of others, and apply it to someone who saw a person get slapped once. It also artificially inflates the severity of what Smith did (which I still think was wrong, to be clear) by attempting to turn the slap into some sort of scattershot psychological abuse.
There is more I could go into. But even if you disagree with me on this, those article I linked contain plenty of descriptions of the negative effects of this trend.
Speaking of which, something I forgot to respond to earlier:Now I’m not a psychologist, but I feel safe saying that if you think I’m about to spend hours of my life reading clinical psych studies for you, you’re crazy.Come on, dude. You claimed that there are ‘mountains of evidence’ justifying your position. You encouraged me to read them. I asked you for one that justifies this, and I actually provided you with evidence supporting mine. And this is your response.Do you think it’s fair, in this instance, to call this ‘gaslighting’? After all, it’s my internal experience of events and I’m feeling pretty gaslit right now and apparently no-one has a right to refute that or push back on it. Which, in turn, makes you a gaslighter, i.e. an abuser. In fact, all this abuse you’re inflicting on me right now is honestly making me feel pretty traumatized.
And I just want to point out that, at this point, if you attempt to deny the validity of my characterization of my own experiences, or any aspect of this (including the part where you abused me), you are violating your own standards according to how you’ve laid them out. You’ll say I’m being bad faith to win an argument – but, as you’ve pointed out, you can’t know my mental state. Maybe writing out massive contrarian effortposts and arguing semantics with people online is my way of dealing with my trauma.Or: you could acknowledge that for something to be considered trauma, there has to be a minimum threshold beyond: ‘Anyone who chooses to identify as traumatized is traumatized.’
At the end of the day, you can’t have any idea whether she experienced a trauma on Sunday.I actually can, because – as I said before – the DSM 5 explicitly rules out what happened to both her and Sykes as being a cause of trauma, unless they are under 6 years old. The only way it could possibly be so is if she thought Smith was going to murder Chris Rock – which we know is impossible in Sykes’ case, at least, because she knew what had happened before she witnessed it. And also because everyone thought it was a joke before and even after it happened, and because it’s on-stage at the Oscars and it’s not really a great idea to commit a murder there.
“do you think it’s okay for someone to, say, miss a social cue or not get a joke or commit a harmless faux-pas, and then when they realize their mistake say: ‘Oh, sorry, I’m autistic!’ even though they have never been diagnosed with that condition?”Why would I give a shit?“misinforming the wider population as to what trauma actually is and encouraging faulty self-diagnoses”Except, again, you have absolutely no fucking clue whether she actually suffered a trauma. You just think she didn’t because you think it wouldn’t have traumatized you.“Come on, dude. You claimed that there are ‘mountains of evidence’ justifying your position. You encouraged me to read them.”I’m not a dude. And I still do encourage you to read them. But I’m not your research assistant. If you want to venmo me $100 I’ll find you one.“I actually can, because – as I said before – the DSM 5 explicitly rules out what happened to both her and Sykes as being a cause of trauma”Oh word? It rules out seeing someone who does your job being slapped at the Oscars for doing their job? I didn’t realize it had that level of specificity. Okay you win.I admit I didn’t read your entire post because I’m in a work meeting and this discussion has gone on far too long after all and I honestly no longer have any interest. You think you are in charge of diagnosing psychological issues in individuals you’ve never met and know nothing about, and I think that not only are you not in charge of doing that, you couldn’t do it even if you were in charge of it. That’s really all this comes down to. But if playing armchair psychologist is something you enjoy, I’m not going to continue arguing with you about it. Good day.
I admit I didn’t read your entire post because I’m in a work meeting and
this discussion has gone on far too long after all and I honestly no
longer have any interest.I think we both know you did, your reply just conveniently skips over the part that destroys your argument. And if you don’t have any interest then why reply after three days? To get the last word in?But I’m not your research assistant. If you want to venmo me $100 I’ll find you one.If you claim there’s ‘mountains of evidence’ supporting your position it really shouldn’t be that hard to link just one, especially since I’ve tried and I can’t find anything.Oh word? It rules out seeing someone who does your job being slapped at
the Oscars for doing their job? I didn’t realize it had that level of
specificity. Okay you win.For the second time…Exhibit 1.3-4DSM-5 Diagnostic Criteria for PTSDNote:
The following criteria apply to adults, adolescents, and children older
than 6 years. For children 6 years and younger, see the DSM-5 section
titled “Posttraumatic Stress Disorder for Children 6 Years and Younger” (APA, 2013a).Exposure to actual or threatened death, serious injury, or sexual violence in one (or more) of the following ways:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK207191/box/part1_ch3.box16/(That’s how easy it is to link evidence you already have, BTW.)
“I think we both know you did, your reply just conveniently skips over the part that destroys your argument.”I mean, okay, you are definitely free to believe that! As I’ve been saying, what someone says is going on in their own head is really none of my business. Have a great day.
important note: TRAUMA is NOT the same as “triggered”. One can be triggered to recall a bad/violent/sad/hurtful situation or memory and it still isn’t “trauma” or traumatic or PTSD. It’s remembering a shitty thing that makes you feel bad. You are not traumatized by watching someone slap someone on tv, you’re “remembering something that happened to you”. Not every uncomfortable or bad memory equals PTSD or trauma, fortunately (or unfortunately, I guess, from some of the victim/trauma co-opters I previously mentioned)
thank you for verbalizing this so well, my “you are wrong because you’re using the words wrong to justify your feelings” may have been a little harsher than necessary. I understand trauma can be vague and hard to define, but my underlying point was “I’m tired of hearing everyone is traumatized by every little microaggression, annoyance, insult, even threat/bullying, etc” because i feel it reduces and trivializes “Real” trauma, of which I’ve witnessed plenty (DV situations, child abuse, sexual abuse/assault, attempted murder, war, criminal violence, etc) in my work/experience and find it is usually far more horrifying than my typical contact w/ someone claiming something like “I’m literally traumatized by that woman who told me I had too many items on the express line, like seriously” or “my boyfriend told me I was tanned too much this week, I’m traumatized by his hurtful language” etc. Its maddening what people think rises to the level of “serious” trauma or hurt or especially “violence” these days (No, words about you are not “akin to physical violence” and therefore justifiable to use violence against, as so many have defended Will’s assault as such).Thanks for being kind and respectful in your explanation, I should have used some of your tact in my earlier posts, especially on a sensitive subject that sadly some people may have actual trauma from actual traumatic things which are relating to the discussion. I shouldn’t paint everyone with such a broad brush (that might be, er, traumatic to some)
Trauma responses are different for everyone and Will Smith’s actions would undoubtedly have triggered a mild shock in almost anyone watching however to then wallow in the ‘trauma’ of it all is an incredibly unhealthy way of thinking. As human beings and card-carrying members of the larger animal kingdom for the last few hundred millennia, we are almost guaranteed to suffer trauma of one kind or another throughout our lives. This obviously is going to vary wildly – people in war zones, areas of high poverty, natural disasters etc. will probably experience more than their fair share but it’s pretty much guaranteed and if you look at it on a sliding scale, watching one man slap another is soooooo far away from the likes of famine, rape, war, earthquakes, car crashes, horrific industrial accidents, loss of a child, loss of parents at a young age etc. etc. that it’s almost offensive to see people carrying on about how traumatic it is. Put it this way, if trauma was wealth (or lack thereof), people complaining about the trauma of witnessing ‘the slap’ are the equivalent of folk complaining about the price hike of an iPhone 13 Pro making it unaffordable for them.
Yes, it probably feels important to them, but the vast majority of us really couldn’t give a shit.
Well okay, it’s just that 1) I don’t know that I’m prepared to say that making a single Instagram post counts as “wallowing,” and 2), even if it is (it isn’t), who are you or we to say if it’s an “unhealthy” amount for a person we don’t know literally at all, and who are we to care whether it Amy Schumer is engaging in an “unhealthy” amount of “wallowing” (in her solitary ‘gram post)?
Witnessing someone slap another person may well be ‘traumatic’ for some people. Folks are weird like that but I do have to wonder just how in the hell have they coped watching the news for the 5 weeks.
Well, exactly. That was my point in the other thread too. But the answer is: it’s not traumatic, and they’re not traumatized, they’re just being melodramatic and/or clout-chasing (see my other response to ElectricSheep).
Exactly. It’s a modern version of hysterical sickness.
People that claim trauma over something they didn’t even fucking see are the same people who would be testifying to get women burned or drowned in the 1600s, or get people who attended one meeting thrown out of Hollywood for being communists, or start Satanic panics in their hometowns. No one can just have a comment that says, “So-and-so shouldn’t have done that” or “I understand why he did it.”
It has to be, “I am triggered and traumatized by violence” or “As someone whose fourth cousin twice removed went bald early, I am triggered by someone making the mildest joke about a total stranger’s alopecia.”
It is claiming trauma in order to fucking belong to something and it is absolute bullshit.
I disagree with your second paragraph, and that Schumer has no right to weigh in on this, but 100% agree with the last line.Honestly, sometimes it feels like if you took everyone who talks about their ‘trauma’ online, only about 10% or something would be actual legitimately traumatized people. The rest would either be saying it for the memes, or for attention, or to compensate for some insecurity or perceived personality deficiency. Even Schumer and Sykes are rare cases ‘cause I’ve got no idea why the hell they need to use this word in this context. It is bullshit.
Trauma and trigger are words for people who have actually suffered violence.Holy shit, you have no clue what you’re talking about.
Only time Amy Schumer takes notes is while listening to other comedians’ acts.
Weird take, but you do you, i guess. And judging by your posting history, you do do you.
JFC imagine being this hot over all such stupid bullshit.
This is getting too meta. The AV club, the pop culture website that’s oh so tired of talking about a four day old controversy, and the topic of celebrity in general, posts it’s 18th article about the oh so tiresome controversy, featuring an oh so bored celebrity’s opinion. We’re through the looking glass, people! Nothing means anything!
and we keep commenting.
Well I’m not bored of it yet!
No shaming here, homie! You do you.
I think we should stop backbiting over AVClub criticism in the comments. On my good days I’m of the ilk that we should call out the laziness and hypocrisy in the current era’s click-and-rage-baiting, as we still hold onto the idea that this used to be a place of journalism and cultural commentary. And if we’re just going to snipe one another for asking more of this site, we do deserve the worst version of it.On my best days I just don’t visit this trash site, but hey.
Oh, puh-leeeeze! I’ve been hanging about here off and on for a dozen years or so and I must protest.When was the AV Club EVER considered to be “journalism?” But good on ya, Bull Shannon, for your persistent idealism. You must be one of those well-adjusted people I keep hearing about. Cheers!
Maybe journalism isn’t the right word but there was a time when this was a great place for think pieces and editorials that were actually insightful. So many of us come here out of habit more than anything else.
Smart-assery aside, I do agree with both you and Bull Shannon. I remember those days when, more often than not, I would have the pleasure of engaging in a long thread with one or more fellow Clubbers about some topic or the other. The conversations were usually fairly civilized and often thought-provoking, although none of us ever missed an opportunity to sharpen our wit on someone else. But it was fun and funny for all, and I miss those days. When I noticed that other posters began to exhibit a little, shall we say… social fragility, I stopped coming here for a couple of years. Even now my visits are only occasionally at best. It’s a shame, really; pre-Kinja, the AV Club was a great place to hang out. Cheers, anyway.
You have to admit while they’ve always written pieces that simply relayed information or served as glorified reposts, those pieces used to contain accurate information that belied cursory research rather than the deliberately self-contradicting hot takes and “maybe somebody knows more about this but I could give a shit” tone of their articles these days.The comments have always been assy and full of canceraids, but that’s beside the point.
Oh, good Lord! I haven’t read the term “canceraids” in years! That’s the handle that once was bestowed upon someone who was the first to comment on a news item. I also noted all of the new contributing authors to these literary “masterpieces” on this site these days. It seems as though the AV Club standards for reporting cultural news, as it were, have shifted somewhat, so I have to agree with you there, old son.
[SLAP]
Hit him again, RSD!
We’re not commenting, we’re “processing” the “trauma”!
Are you “sickened”?
…and commenting
My optimistic side says that the writers of the AV Club don’t actually want to keep reporting on it, but are being forced to for site traffic because of some management credo. My pessimistic side says that they’re those weirdos that goes up to people at parties and says “I’m just sick and tired of hearing about [blank]” unprompted, just so they have an excuse to give their opinions on it.
Well I’m just sick and tired of hearing about people complaining about hearing about people complaining about being sick and tired of hearing about things! Let me tell you why…
I don’t care what you think and I CERTAINLY don’t care what Frodo thinks.
My cynical side says the writers who fall into your first group all probably got fired for refusing to move to Los Angeles earlier this year so that for the most part all the writers who are left fall into your second group .
“Nothing is real and everything is possible” –
Hassan-i Sabbah
The A.V. Club
Older translation works way better
I’m just so tired of all these Star Wars.
But does this article does have that sweet Laurel Canyon sound?
I am with him as well. Time to move on.
“Dramatically bored.” Now that our actors are into an adjective arms race, they should run out of words soon.
Daniel Radcliffe just keeps getting cooler as the years pass.
And hotter
Looks more like he’s windswept-ly amused.
The whole situation should have been treated by news media as “Well, this happened Sunday night….And in other news,…”
Really? So “just boys being boys” and everyone should move on?
Yes, really. This is horseshit.
Yeah, I’m sure you’d be fine with someone walking into your workplace tomorrow and slapping you in the face.
I would not expect the employee newsletter to cover it for a week straight.
#fartnoise
I think Keego94 was agreeing that we shouldn’t just move on?
Or maybe not. People get all ragey – it’s hard to tell sometimes what they mean.
What so you want to keep talking about this? What the hell else is there to say right now?
God this is such a thirsty straw-reading of the OP.
She’s a complete moron.
nah ..just Hollywood being Hollywood,now move on and stop giving them attention, its almost like theres more actual real news happening right now….
Is the alternative of a week of non-stop coverage better. Considering I keep hearing how seeing this slap was traumatic for to so many people you would think that the constant coverage can’t be helping could it.
After a traumatic event, the response should never be to insist on silence.
Get off your fucking high horse, Seeing Chris Rock get slapped was not a traumatic event! I understand violence can be triggering to some but we are taking this thing to the extreme aren’t we. The week of constant news coverage and asking every celebrity under the sun about it is extreme. I’d say its a slow news week but really it isn’t. There is still a fucking war in the Ukraine and they may be pressing charges against the former president over hours of missing phone records after an attempted coup but what every really wants to know about is what the fucking kid from Harry Potter thinks about this fucking slap. Its done, its over. Will Smith did it, he is an asshole. Why he did it we will probably never know. Chris Rock, the only person who can really say it was a traumatic event for has opted to let it go, not press chargers and go on with his life. Will he write a great tight 5 about it for a comedy set in a few years, maybe. But for now he seems done with it and the rest of us should be as well.
I’m just going to assume that you aren’t being held captive, forced to read or listen to any of the on-going conversation. Events (especially globally recognized events) don’t happen in a vacuum. There are deeper implications that lead from our actions. It’s way past time we get serious about what many of you think of as ‘casual violence’. Violence is violence and, left without remark, it finds validation and acceptance. From early forms of child abuse, to school place bullying, to battering (and murdering) women AND men to shoot-outs in public venues and streets, and cops beating (and killing) the people under their boot – it can all start with a slap.
Yes and sometimes a slap is just a slap.This violence always leads to violence idea is the same thought process that gets people calling for censorship of movies, music and video games. This has been commented on in a million news stories. It’s just getting silly now. What is the alternative. Months in the news cycle? Will Smith getting arrested? Trauma counseling for every person who saw the Oscars? I’m not sure the end game on the other side of this? What is the point of asking every celeb about it? Again just seems sillyI feel like so much else in this world a public event happened and everyone is trying to tie their cause to it and make it about something bigger then what it was. It was a man slapping another man.
Can we be done with it nowhttps://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/04/01/entertainment/will-smith-resigns-from-academy/index.html
Resigns from the academy. This means absolutely nothing. You’re an AVClubber. C’mon.
Yeah, this wasn’t news at all, dumbshit.
He just doesn’t want anyone looking into his realtionship with jada….
Even I had a relationship with Jada, and I’m a fat Southern sheriff.
?
Somebody ask him about the Snyder Cut. And if he thinks Winds of Winter will ever be finished. Gotta complete the AV Club triumvirate.
And if a hot dog is a sandw…no. that is the other site.
And also ask him how much he likes Dawes. Is it a lot? A lot a lot?
Also, “why do some people insist a hot dog is not a sandwich”?
And what about Firefly.
Half Life 3 confirmed!
I got a Community notification for this?
It can be two things.
DAWES!!
Oh that sweet, sweet, Laurel Canyon sound.
wtf is bluejean committee lol
Amen, brother Daniel.
Would 100% watch a Wolverine or X-Men movie with him as Logan.
I don’t know all the ins and outs of AV Club’s editorial decision-making, but I feel fairly confident in saying: if it had been, say, John Travolta or Chris Pratt who’d smacked someone on the Oscars stage, the company line wouldn’t be, “we’re so bored, can we move on already!?”
I think it’s fair for someone to say that A) they don’t have anything to contribute to the conversation and B) they’re not interested in hearing any more thoughts from folks similarly unqualified to talk about it.
There are good conversations happening, related to toxic masculinity, the disabled community, and what this means for the Black entertainment community. But none of those are something that Radcliffe can meaningfully contribute to, and he’s right to bow out of it.
You’re right on all counts.
My comment is directed more at the AV Club, their ironic choice to make Radcliffe’s “I don’t have an opinion/I don’t wish to participate” it’s own article, and how that reflects an (imo) bizarre stance they’ve cultivated (from like day 2) that this Slap thing is a non-story, and we should all just shut up about it. (Even while they publish article after article about it, including this one.)
There are good conversations happening. I don’t know whether AV Club is capable of that kind of thing anymore (I accidentally tripped over an article from 2014 earlier today, and it together with the healthy, intelligent comments section made me deeply wistful), but in this case — with an incident that seems like prime AV Club fodder — they seem strangely uninterested in having them.
Those days are long gone. These days it’s just scattershot snark that’s so wildly hypocritical that it’s not even proper snark. Snark has it’s place in good writing, but it requires the writer to actually have established a consistent baseline in their writing. Their actual views and opinions. A voice.
https://www.avclub.com/the-only-thing-worse-than-watching-an-offensively-bad-c-1803928882oh, like this gem…yeah I recall those good old days fondly…(pours some out for the O’Neal and Dawes and CancerAIDS days…)
Doesn’t have anything to do with ‘the disabled community.’
If Chris Pratt had smacked someone, AVC would option the movie rights into a Spotlight-style deep dive.
The discussion starts around 7:04. Celeb interviews can be a bit boring.
“Radcliffe’s schedule is pretty busy these days, anyways. Besides The Lost City, which is in theaters now”Word to the wise: when a film is in theatres, the actors are no longer busy working on it.
Not sure where it started but I don’t really see him as Wolverine. Could he do a good job? Yes. Would I be too busy watching him and comparing him to Harry Potter? Yes. He does a great job on Miracle Workers so I thing he can avoid the trap that some celebrities are always the same person with a different character name (like Tom Cruise, for example), but I just don’t see Wolverine.
I also don’t know where that started. I loosely follow comic book related stuff and I apparently missed this particular fan groundswell of Radcliffe playing Wolverine. He has too much of a baby face to be Wolverine.
For better or worse, the next person is going to be compared to Jackman as opposed to the actual comic character. There’s nothing about him that even remotely resembles Wolverine in either form.
Wait……..are we absolutely sure this is not an article about Elijah Wood?I always have to ask……….
How does one even be dramatically bored? Just say “very” like a normal person.
He’s an actor. Surely, if anyone knows how to be dramatically bored…
I assume it involves some sort of fainting couch.
How British.
Tired: rumors of Radcliffe paying WolverineWired: Radcliffe paying Danzig
Wizard: Dream-casting Dan Radcliffe AS Danzig AS Wolverine
Much too tall.
“I’m so already dramatically bored of hearing people’s opinions about it…”We all are, Danny. We all are.
“I’m so already dramatically bored of hearing people’s opinions about it that I just don’t want to be another opinion adding to it.” Kudos Harry, I wish I heard less about it as well but I keep commenting on every other post about this dumb story as well, so I’m adding to the problem!
Branagh’s in the book.
Wolverine lolHairy Potter
I agree with Harry Potter.Yawn.
I like Radcliffe’s talent. He sure is a slick package outside of it too. Deft avoidance of an opinion. He has not yet seen a trend that tells him which person to throw under the bus and get applause on Twitter for it.
Maybe someone should walk up and smack that little drama queen in his chops and see if that doesn’t do away with this theatrical ennui. But I must say, I do love the title someone came up with to describe all this sound and fury: The Slappening.Fucking genius. Cheers!
So Radcliffe’s comment about not wanting to add to the story becomes another headline. Why do I bother with this site?
I can’t wait till they get really desperate in week two of this story and start trying to communicate with dead celebrities to get their opinions. I’m sure John Wayne has some racists thoughts to add
This is the only good take to be had among people not directly connected to the incident. Especially among white people not directly connected to it. I wish I had come out with a take like this from the jump.
Motherfuckers, if you dare cast anyone as Wolverine without AT LEAST trying out Jared Keeso first?You better let that one marinate.
“I’m not going to give an opinion on this because it’s boring.”Sounds like an opinion. And a cowardly one, at that.