Grimes’ attempted defense of Elon Musk’s ideology is bizarre
The "Oblivion" singer tried to defend ex-partner Elon Musk's anti-trans sentiments by suggesting that he "[doesn't] hate trans people," he hates "woke culture"
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Grimes, who in her own words is “very easy to cancel and canceled very often,” is using the skills she learned from these instances to defend other “canceled” stars as of late. Earlier this week, we reported that the controversial Canadian artist had come out in support of both Lizzo (“I’ve only ever seen exemplary behavior from her, especially when everyone was hating on me and she was on top of the world”) and the not-canceled-but-under-fire Doja Cat (“Doja has always been a friend and deeply kind person to me”) as the two singers made headlines for creating a toxic work environment and beefing with their fans, respectively.
But both of these subjects pale in comparison to the big one: Elon Musk, emperor of X/Twitter, possible cage fighter, and father of Grimes’ two children. Among the many, many things that have put Grimes’ ex-partner in the headlines recently, one of the most inflammatory has been his consistent anti-trans rhetoric and the fact that his daughter—who identifies as trans—said she no longer wants to “be related to my biological father in any way, shape or form,” per the BBC.
“I don’t want to talk about this too much,” Grimes said when asked about her ex-partner and current co-parent’s Tweets (posts?) in a recent Wired interview. She then, in what has become typical Grimes fashion, talked a whole lot without really saying much at all:
“But take the trans thing,” she said. “After that, we had a big, long conversation. I was like, ‘I want to dissect why you’re so stressed about this.’ Getting to the heart of what Elon says helps me get to the heart of what other people’s issues are, because it’s this über guy situation.” One that, apparently, “came down to pretty much every way that you transition can cause fertility issues.”
“I was like, OK, you don’t hate trans people, you hate woke culture,” she continued. “I get that it can be annoying, and you have concerns about the fertility thing. So let’s figure it out, because there’s a lot of fertility tech that could be innovated that would help trans people have kids, which would be great and would solve a lot of problems.”
“He’s just on Twitter, and he’s unhappy with woke people, and the arguments happened,” she concluded. While this reasoning doesn’t remotely account for Musk saying things like “The words ‘cis’ or ‘cisgender’ are considered slurs on this platform,” at least we now know, per the same interview, that Grimes doesn’t consider herself a “woke person” either. “I don’t know what the term means,” she elaborated, which kind of speaks for itself on this one.
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Good old Grimey…I was actually the first to make this joke (at least on this site) almost 9 years ago to this day: https://www.avclub.com/stop-posting-stuff-about-drugs-to-grimes-wikipedia-pag-1798271294 …but since old comment sections are lost to the world, you’ll have to take my word.
I have no real opinion on Grimes but the fact that the crowdsourced Law & Order script is lost to future generations makes me sad.Actually that’s not true – I’m fascinated to hear what fertility tech she thinks could cross that particular boundary.
That’s sad the Law & Order bit got lost. Might be on Disqus somewhere but I searched for it a while back and couldn’t find it. It was glorious, but the only detail I remember is, “Objection! Witness is not a bat!”
My friend, kinja may be cruelly indifferent, but disqus still remembers:https://disqus.com/home/discussion/avclub/sam_waterston_will_be_the_quietly_stern_sam_waterston_type_in_aaron_sorkins_hbo_pilot/
Awesome – thanks. Doing the Lord’s work. You’re charged with murder, attempted murder, conspiracy to commit murder, conspiracy to commit attempted murder, another count of murder, another count of conspiracy to commit another count of murder, conspiracy to conspire, and food stamps fraud. How do you plead?
Wow, imagine anyone giving a fuck? You took an old Simpsons joke and made it new? WOW, you’re a fucking genius! How many times can I suck your fucking dick?
““I was like, OK, you don’t hate trans people, you hate woke culture,””
So he doesn’t hate trans people, he just hates that people think it’s wrong to hate trans people.
Has anyone ever coasted this far on a single decent album?
I’ve never heard her music (spoken word? (yodeling?) so I think she is just coasting on fucking a billionaire.
Are we talking about Art Angels? Because that’s the one album of hers that I really dug and she has since disavowed it.
I actually like her music, I think she’s quite a talented artist. But like a lot of other talented artists, she’s a goddamn walking, talking aneurysm and I’d rather listen to the cursed All Saints cover of “Under the Bridge” 97,000 times than have to engage Grimes in conversation once.
Goddamn it. You made me curious enough to find that cover of “Under the Bridge” on YouTube, and now I can never forgive you for that.
I said it was cursed! Don’t seek out the curse!
Maybe it’s like the tape in The Ring: now that you’ve perpetuated the curse, you’ll be spared.
Perhaps, yet the victims of my decision will haunt me for the rest of my days.
I was a big fan of her music and bought a couple of her albums on vinyl, but I cant anymore with her after she got together with Elon. Every time I see an interview with her it just confirms my decision to not listen to any new music from her.
The worst people in the whole dang world continue to be the worst people in the whole dang world. Ugh.
Remember when the CEOs of major corporations were just anonymous nobodies? Can we go back to that, please?
That was back when even schmuck CEOs weren’t making 200x the salary of the average employee of their company.
That was back when even schmuck CEOs weren’t making 200x the salary of the average employee of their company.1985? I don’t think a lot of us here remember that.
More like the late nineties, early 2000s:
https://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-pay-in-2021/
Up until then, CEO pay was about 40-60 times a normal workers. Still egregious, but it’s far from the obscenity of Bob Iger making as much every day ($78K) as most of his workers make in a year (or two, in the case of park Cast Members).
Related, you know what maybe the one good thing about the robber barons of old was? They didn’t demand that we worship them as geniuses and intellectual wunderkinds and borderline superheroes and spend all our lives focussing on them. Cornelius Vanderbilt didn’t give a fuck what the hoi polloi thought about him. Andrew Carnegie wasn’t obsessed with everyone thinking he was the greatest person in the world and that everyone should fawn over him every second of every day. John C Rockefeller wasn’t constantly getting into fights with people who said mean things about him and forcing us all to listen. They just got on with building railroads and stuff, and maybe chucked the masses a library or a scholarship fund every so often.
I’m pretty sure all those guys you mentioned wanted the hoi polloi to look up to them, they paid a lot of money to get their names on pretty big buildings.
They wanted respect, sure. And sure, they wanted people to think they were generally okay guys. That’s why they’d put their names to a public building or service to present themselves as generally benevolent, definitely. But other than that? I maintain that Cornelius Vanderbilt almost certainly couldn’t give a fuck if some anonymous rando halfway across the country / world didn’t think he was an actual superhero who was literally saving the world, as long as people weren’t bad-mouthing him in his direct presence. And why would he? The guy was a titan of industry and rich as balls, why would he worry about what the little people thought of him?
possible keyboard cage fighterFTFY
Here’s a vaguely amusing time-wasting diversion: do you think Musk touch-types? Or is he most likely a hunt-and-pecker?(If you asked him, he’d probably say “I was writing C code in the 90s, of course I know how to type”. But was he writing good C code? Can he type well? At this point, I have a hard time picturing him as being good at anything…)
Hmmm…..I can see giving him at least that little credit that he’s a touch typist. But it is funny to think of him hunting and pecking, which is why all his tweets are partial statements.
The coders at PayPal thought he was fucking useless as a coder. He was only their because Paypal bought X, and Elon wanted to cosplay as a coder.
A lot of us were writing C in the ‘90s. 99.999999% of what we were writing sucked. That number goes up to 100% for whatever I wrote.
Yes, Elon Musk is a pecker.
“He’s just on Twitter […]”
Okay Grimes you found the problem, you don’t have to go further.
i am shocked, SHOCKED that a person who would let one of the worst men in the world put his penis inside her and make a baby — and then agree to give it perhaps the Stupidest Fucking Baby Name Of All Time — is also a terrible person.also shocked that she seems to be as dumb as he is. shocking stuff.
I remain astounded they saw their reflection in a mirror and thought: yes, perfect. This is the look. These are the outfits. We’re ready.
John Boyega in the background wondering why his waiter is posing for photos instead of getting him the drink he just ordered.
“Shit, is this the Star Wars premier or did I turn up to a Scientology wedding?”
‘Ever since I was a little kid, I wanted to dress like a Star War.’
Oh, well that clears it up, Grimes. You fucking imbecile. He just hates “woke culture” whatever that means. And, I guess, the existence of trans people was caused by woke culture…makes total sense to me.
“He’s just on Twitter, and he’s unhappy with woke people”Or maybe he’s just bored, lonely and miserable.
Well, yeah…as she just said, he’s on Twitter. There’s no need to be redundant.
Kinda depressing to think about honestly. Most of us think “if we just had more money our lives would be perfect”. Meanwhile the guy with the most money isn’t even happy.
Elongated Muskrat’s “ideology” can be summarized as “I’m rich, and therefore I’m an expert on everything, and should be in charge of everything, and all my ideas are good, and everyone should pay attention to me.”He’s a loudmouth plutocrat who’s actively harming the world and I hope something horrible and fatal happens to him real soon.
Yeah, I agree. I never wished things like that on people until seven months ago and I hate that I’m doing it now. There are people who hurt everyone around them – narcissists in particular. Many of them just go on to self-destruct. Clinton came close. Trump’s on his way. Why doesn’t something happen to that walking curse? I’m so much younger than him and am dealing with Long f*cking COVID and he just coasted away from it.
I’m guessing access to state of the art, $100K* per treatment monoclonal antibodies might be part of the difference.I hope your long COVID gets better soon.*Taxpayer funded, of course.
Hey, thanks. That’s really nice of you. I’m not sure if you’d believe how many folks have it. The ER doctor I saw – her husband died from Long COVID 10 months ago, in his early 30s. This winter could be a nightmare.
He’s the terrible crossover point of “insufferable neckbeard” and “insufferable rich prick”. His wealth has allowed him to cosplay a genius, not actually be one.
I’m here to provide air support to my trans bothers and sisters ✊🏻
So he doesn’t hate trans people, he hates people who tell him he should be polite and respectful to trans people? And I seriously doubt he’s really that concerned about other people’s fertility.
Musk cares about Musk.
I actually have no problem believing he cares about trans people’s fertility—at least the white ones. Don’t forget he’s obsessed with declining birthrates. It’s all thinly veiled “great replacement” bullshit.
My “Elon Musk is a Project Coast experiment designed to outbreed black people who escaped the lab” theory has yet to be disproven.
I’m not sure he cares what color the people who he underpays and overworks are, just as long as there are happy little drones willing to be overworked and underpaid.
Funny thing about Teslas: the Chinese ones are much, much better built. I’ve interviewed a few Tesla drivers for work, and they all said that if we only got American ones here they’d never have bought a Tesla.So, yeah, Elon: maybe figure out your management style.
That’s weird but it figures.
It’s not so much that I’m praising China-built over American-built, but the point is that Musk cannot even get the basics of automotive production right, like panel gaps. And before anyone says “Well, Musk isn’t responsible for that” a) yes, he ultimately is, like any other CEO, and b) probably even more so, considering how notorious a micromanage he is.
Oh yeah I got your point, I know about the panel gaps and his even more worrying approach to automated driving.
I could buy that he really does care about fertility. Bigots of all sorts are often weirdly obsessed with the habits of other people that have nothing to do with them: their sex lives, their hygiene, what they eat, what they spend money on…
Yeah, right. He’s incredibly worried by the affect on fertility rates of, let’s see, <1% of the population, many of whom still choose to have children either naturally or via widely available reproductive technology.Musk is a hater, Grimes is a fuckwit.
That’s like saying “He doesn’t hate black people, just civil rights.”
Yes, exactly. And Musk claims that he left South Africa to avoid mandatory military service because he’d have to participate in an apartheid regime. That’s the most BS macro micro-agression I’ve ever seen.
This is a perfect analogy. “Woke culture” is a meaningless term, but inasmuch as it means anything, one of the bogeymen inherent in it is the ability for trans people to live normal lives without interference from the state or bigots. If you don’t like that, then you don’t like Trans people. Full stop.
Reminder: woke culture isn’t a meaningless term. It refers specifically to conservatives’ fears of a society where peoples’ rights are respected.Then again, if Republicans said they hate “puppies and vanilla ice cream,” I’m sure we’d spend so much time trying to justify why they’re not cackling supervillains that we’d eventually declare, “’puppies’ and ‘vanilla ice cream’ are meaningless terms.”They say what they mean. They hate people having rights. They hate the idea of a culture where people have rights. They don’t want to admit it when cornered in mainstream discourse, but they absolutely make no illusions when talking about it on their own platforms.
I will never understand the mental gymnastics these people get into. My brain just isn’t limber enough, I guess.
The simple answer is Grimes may be able to write a good song, but she’s also a fucking simp.
This is about as reductive and stupid an analogy as you could possibly imagine. Bravo.
“’I don’t know what the term means,’ she elaborated, which kind of speaks for itself on this one.”That’s unfair. The word had a meaning but has been turned into a pejorative. It could mean “aware of and concerned about systemic racism” (its original meaning) or it could mean “everything we Trumpians hate about progressives.”For the record, I like Grimes. She’s crazy smart, geeky as hell, and wacky but in a good way. I used to like Elon Musk before his bizarre anti-woke crusade.
where’s the crazy smart in this interview, exactly? It all came off incredibly insipid.
I’m gonna need a citation for the ‘crazy smart’ claim, because in all the years she’s been desperately clawing for attention I haven’t seen any evidence that she’s even mildly smart.
Yeah, I’m a Grimes fan. I like all her records.
She’s not a smart one, though.
She gets male geeks hard, those guys self-identify as being smart, and so to portray this as something other than base level horniness, they say they’re interested in her for her intellect. It’s the modern equivalent of saying your buy Playboy for the articles. When she let their god-king and surrogate father figure Musk fire off his pink Falcon 9 in her Texas wetlands, that just cemented her sanctity in their eyes.
“It’s the modern equivalent of saying your buy Playboy for the articles.”I feel like that’s insulting to the actual really good articles that Playboy has run in the past. Hell, Robert Anton Wilson was an editor at one point.
As a geek/nerd myself, I’ve always thought that she looked like a bad cosplayer trying to act cool.
I feel like that’s insulting to the actual really good articles that Playboy has run in the past. Hell, Robert Anton Wilson was an editor at one point.Oh, I know. But they also had some fantastic sets of tits in ‘em, and it’s…why bother pretending they don’t? She was very much the “Hey, nerdy boys are easy marks for attention” type rather than an actual geek – though it’s not so much cosplay as good ol’ fashioned slummin’ it – something rich (and she was rich, even before Musk – how else do you parlay a myspace page into a music career?) with her mother – hang on, let me check wiki- IS SHE WEARING FUCKING DPCU? SHE’S WEARING FUCKING JELLYBEAN. FUCK’S SAKE, IS THIS WHY WE SWITCHED TO MULTICAM LIKE EVERY OTHER BASTARD?Her mum was a Crown Prosecutor, and her dad a biotech business banker. Not exactly searchin’ the couch cushions for change.Man, I had a longer post planned but now I’m took angry about the camo.
Oh I’m not pretending that the tits weren’t spectacular but the only actual Playboys I ever really saw were woods porn, somehow I’ve read more Playboy articles over the years than I’ve seen centerfolds. By the time I was old enough to buy them I’d had the internet for years and had no reason to buy Playboy.I have no idea what fashion stuff you’re talking about but I know she came from money.
The former Aussie camo. Developed at great expense in the 1980s use computers and satellites……you might know it as the pants Muammar Gaddafi’s son was wearing when he got arrested by the rebels. There was a minor scandal around him wearing those.Look, I’ll level with. I might just be mildly pissed about all this because I’m playing Ghost Recon: Breakpoint and it’s set in the South Pacific (the freezing, New Zealand part of the south Pac, not sunny Tahiti) and you’ve got dozens of real-world camo to dress your character in and Auscam isn’t one of them. French fucks, Ubisoft. Glad we kicked you out of the World Cup, motherfuckers.
Is that a fucking bindi?
I like to think someone was eating a tic tac in front of her and sneezed. Hard.
Regarding her mother, though, it never failed to amuse me how much she obviously loathed Musk. She’s some kind of journalist now with a fairly progressive bent, so I can only imagine the conversations around the dinner table.
Calm down, everyone, Elon Musk is just looking out for the fertility of trans people. That’s definitely what all his vitriol is about. HELPING people.
He’s only a bigot because he CARES. Why do people hate him for loving so much?
Yep, he hates ‘woke’ culture because it prevents trans people from getting pregnant. You probably won’t understand that because you don’t have a galaxy brain like Musk.
So what’s the over under on him having begged Vivienne for that precious musk sperm to freeze (only it went to a dummy voicemail because she’s had it with her hateful creep of a progenitor and his obsession with offspring)? And what’s the odds this is just something he made up to not seem as hateful to Grimes? hmm thought so.
“he was always a good dude to me” is how some guys respond when hearing their friend raped a girl back in college but they still want to hang out with that person
Of course she’s defending him, she’s such an “iconoclast” and soooo edgy, it couldn’t possibly boil down to her not wanting to cut off her billionaire cash flow! Imagine how many people around this douche only let his BS ride because they’re too greedy to cut him from their lives.
“I don’t know what the term means…”Most people who rail on against “woke culture” either can’t define what they mean by that or won’t define what they mean by that because they know they’d have to take the mask off.
Or that they don’t want to actually admit how they really feel, angry because ‘woke culture’ won’t ‘let’ them be racist and sexist anymore.
“[I]t’s this über guy situation.”No, the Uber guy was Travis Kalanick, a different raging asshole.
There’s 8 BILLION people on this rock. 6 Billion of that happened just this century. People having trouble reproducing is NOT a problem. What he’s afraid of is WHITE PEOPLE not reproducing enough.
Also I bet if you go through his tweets you’d find some bullshit mocking pregnant transmen. Whose fertility is clearly working okay.
Man, remember back when the most irritating thing about this person was them doing some Huck Finn LARPing for a summer?
“Tweets (posts?)“ I believe they are now known as Xcretions.
The super weird obsession with other folks’ fertility is probably because he needs our children and children’s children to keep buying in to his BS schemes
People to overwork and underpay in his factories.
“it’s this über guy situation.” One that, apparently, “came down to
pretty much every way that you transition can cause fertility issues.”Anyone who can’t turn out happy little proletarians is shit, got ya.
What is Grimes’s deal? I’m given to understand that at one point she was a singer? And now she just…gives shitty opinions? Is that her job now?
Someone’s paying her for this???
The fertility issues are a good thing. Can’t have these people involved in procreation.
No unfortunately Grimes and Musk both have kids so it’s too late.
“Grimes” is just as worthless as Musk. Why do people still pay attention to her? Just don’t look
It’s cute that people around here think of “Woke culture” as being necessarily progressive and “good.”
“Ideology”? Let’s not be generous. The man is a grifter. The only “ideology” is greed and arrogance.
Just don’t look
Grimes is just as weird as Musk.
So he doesn’t like trans people because they generally can’t have children? Seems like a problem for them and not Elon. Also only a super rich idiot would think that less people having babies is a bad thing on this slowly dying world.
Transmen can have children. I suspect Musk doesn’t approve of that.